Any Toronto Raptors Fans?

hahaha what a joke eh guys the 7th pick

man,i'm not a fan,but i like them!

Charlie V was a waste of a pick but the other picks were good.

Graham isn't the player I wanted but at the 16th, he's a steal and he WAS the best overall athlete in the combine. He's got Artest-ish potential.

He's got all the tools to be an All-Star SF. Will he achieve that is something else entirely but he's got all the physical tools to be a nightmarish defender and a competent offensive player who can score in the 14-18 ppg range once he gets some experience.

We'll see.

Ukic was a steal at the 41; if he's even halfway competent as a pass-first PG, he instantly improves the Raptors and is a huge part of the franchise's turnaround. That right there was a great pick and the way Babcock saved the drafted.

OK, I lied when I said the other picks were good; Uros Slokar was another waste of a pick. He's a soft Euro player with no shot, no D and no marketable skills. Babcock tanked that pick. We should have taken a gamble on Randolph Morris because of his size. Oh well. Graham negates the negative value of this pick and some of the negative value associated with CV.

Villanueva has SOME potential but I saw him more as a #20 pick, or near there.

He's a total tweener; measured at 6'9 1/2" in shoes and weighing sub-240, he's not a PF. His vert isn't bad at all (31") but nothing special. His quickness is decent but his ball-handling skills will be called into question. Can he play the 3? We'll find out. If Sam Mitchell thinks CV can be a center, he's smoking opium that would've made 1800s England proud. He's too light, too short and possessed of no serious post game.

He basically duplicates what Bosh gives but he's less talented. If he pans out as a 3-man, then it wasn't a true waste of a pick but we could've had other players. IMO, if the player doesn't want to be here (Green), then f*** him. We're paying you millions of dollars, you'll get PT and you'll be adored by your fans as long as you put forth consistant effort. Shut up and enjoy the city.

We'll see how this turns out.

THe pick for CV3 was actually pretty smart because the Bobcats were going to take him with there next pick.

People still are trying to prove that he was a good pick...

I highly doubt the Bobcats were about to pick him, and if they did that still would have been retarded.

LOL well u never know

He's a total tweener; measured at 6'9 1/2" in shoes and weighing sub-240, he's not a PF. His vert isn't bad at all (31") but nothing special. His quickness is decent but his ball-handling skills will be called into question. Can he play the 3? We'll find out. If Sam Mitchell thinks CV can be a center, he's smoking opium that would've made 1800s England proud. He's too light, too short and possessed of no serious post game.

He basically duplicates what Bosh gives but he's less talented. If he pans out as a 3-man, then it wasn't a true waste of a pick but we could've had other players. IMO, if the player doesn't want to be here (Green), then f*** him. We're paying you millions of dollars, you'll get PT and you'll be adored by your fans as long as you put forth consistant effort. Shut up and enjoy the city.

We'll see how this turns out.

"If Sam Mitchell thinks CV can be a center, he's smoking opium that would've made 1800s England proud" . Anyways, do you think the "centers" like the Jason Collier, Raef LaFrentz/Mark Blount, Channing Frye (if he even plays center), Samuel Dalembert, Ben Wallace, Jeff Foster/Dale Davis, and Kelvin Cato/Tony Battie will give Villanueva problems? Now really. The best post scorer out of the bunch is...Channing Frye but he said it himself, he prefers playing the pick and roll/pop and taking jumpshots. Sure Eddy Curry, Yao Ming, Shaq, and Jamaal Magloire will give Villanueva problems in the post, but the Raptors don't face those teams very often. And when they do, that's what they have Hoffa and A-Dub there for.

What does height have to do with anything? Are players only allowed to reach their arms to the tops of their heads? Do players play with their heads? Players can extend their arms and reach above their heads.

No post game? On that opium or did you just miss Villanueva's sophomore season? His freshman year, he played more on the perimeter, but last year, he was mostly in the post. He has a nice baby hook and turnaround jumper in the post. And he has a quick first step for his size and with his athletic ability, he can blow by most centers and power forwards for layups and dunks.

I highly doubt the Bobcats were about to pick him, and if they did that still would have been retarded.

Rumors are only rumors, but I've heard the Warriors were very high on Villanueva (good fit there), as were the Lakers (I doubt this rumor). The Bobcats loved Villanueva as well and I don't see why picking him would've been retarded. He would've played with his good friend Okafor and complemented both Brezec and Emeka very well. Even better fit IMO in Charlotte than in Toronto.

"If Sam Mitchell thinks CV can be a center, he's smoking opium that would've made 1800s England proud" .

Anyways, do you think the "centers" like the Jason Collier, Raef LaFrentz/Mark Blount, Channing Frye (if he even plays center), Samuel Dalembert, Ben Wallace, Jeff Foster/Dale Davis, and Kelvin Cato/Tony Battie will give Villanueva problems? Now really. The best post scorer out of the bunch is...Channing Frye but he said it himself, he prefers playing the pick and roll/pop and taking jumpshots. Sure Eddy Curry, Yao Ming, Shaq, and Jamaal Magloire will give Villanueva problems in the post, but the Raptors don't face those teams very often. And when they do, that's what they have Hoffa and A-Dub there for.

Collier will. LaFrentz will because CV won't be able to do much to stop his shot. Mark Blount will outmuscle him for rebounds. Ben Wallace will totally own him for rebounds and on defense with his athleticism and shot-blocking instincts. Jeff Foster will do the same on rebounds (height, relentless drive, great rebounding instincts). The Magic centers probably won't be an issue but he is still going to get roasted on the glass and won't be doing a great deal of scoring.

Eddy Curry, Yao Ming, Shaq and Magloire will own CV like there's no tomorrow and they're playing in a JV league. And actually, they face Curry and Shaq 4 times each during the season. That's not promising.

What does height have to do with anything? Are players only allowed to reach their arms to the tops of their heads? Do players play with their heads? Players can extend their arms and reach above their heads.

No post game? On that opium or did you just miss Villanueva's sophomore season? His freshman year, he played more on the perimeter, but last year, he was mostly in the post. He has a nice baby hook and turnaround jumper in the post. And he has a quick first step for his size and with his athletic ability, he can blow by most centers and power forwards for layups and dunks.

No NBA post game. He's not tall or strong enough to get his shot off against a good defender. You can have all the moves in the world but if you're gonna get shutdown when the defender gets his hand on the ball, you won't be particularly effective. Villenueva's game down low won't translate to the NBA.

His face-up game, that's something else. He's going to have to rely more on pull-up Js and perimeter work. Also, that'll mostly only work if he can get the ball on the block (e.g., if he can establish position). He's not got dribble-penetration skills on the wing that will let him work magic from out there and he's not got the strength to establish position well down low.

Rumors are only rumors, but I've heard the Warriors were very high on Villanueva (good fit there), as were the Lakers (I doubt this rumor). The Bobcats loved Villanueva as well and I don't see why picking him would've been retarded. He would've played with his good friend Okafor and complemented both Brezec and Emeka very well. Even better fit IMO in Charlotte than in Toronto.

HAH! The Warriors? What could they POSSIBLY need from CV? He's a tweener forward. They may have overpaid him but Foyle will be more effective at the 5 than CV will and they've got Troy Murphy as a PF. Dunleavy is a 3 (and CV is arguably comparable to Dunleavy with less of a shot and basketball instincts that aren't as well-developed). Richardson plays the 3 from time to time as well and he certainly won't be giving minutes up to Villenueva.

"If Sam Mitchell thinks CV can be a center, he's smoking opium that would've made 1800s England proud" . Anyways, do you think the "centers" like the Jason Collier, Raef LaFrentz/Mark Blount, Channing Frye (if he even plays center), Samuel Dalembert, Ben Wallace, Jeff Foster/Dale Davis, and Kelvin Cato/Tony Battie will give Villanueva problems? Now really. The best post scorer out of the bunch is...Channing Frye but he said it himself, he prefers playing the pick and roll/pop and taking jumpshots. Sure Eddy Curry, Yao Ming, Shaq, and Jamaal Magloire will give Villanueva problems in the post, but the Raptors don't face those teams very often. And when they do, that's what they have Hoffa and A-Dub there for.

If Villanueva and Bosh end up being the starting posts for the Raptors they are going to be the worst rebounding team in the league. And yes, those "Centers" will give them problems as tsherkin already mentioned, some of those guys are really good rebounders.

If the Raptors expect to get anywhere with Bosh and Villanueva playing PF and C they are dead wrong.

Villanueva's best shot is to play SF.

He'll be a defensive liablity IMO but he'll be most effective on offense there and the Nellie Matchup Principle (aka the Earl Boykins Principle) applies (if there's a mismatch one way, it's a mismatch the other way too); he can exploit his height over SFs and quickness over PFs to score and he's got a shot they'll all have to honor.

He could be an effective offensive player and if we ever get a competent shot-blocking center (or use Bosh to bring weakside help instead of friggin' double-teaming), some of his weaknesses could be overcome a little.