Top 50 List (End of 04-05)

Yes, Gasol should be higher than 47, he is the leader of probably the deepest in the league. c-webbkings, your being more biased about your Kings (and Webber) than I am about my Grizzlies

As for JO, I think he deserves to be in the top 7 or 8 and he does take the ball inside alot. That's why he gets alot of free throws. He is shooting the outside shot alot more this season than previous seasons, but he doesn't miss too many of them either. JO is 22nd in the league in FT attempted, despite missing all those games from his suspension.

Jamall is one of the most underrated players in the league and heres why

when the pacers were down and out there for awhile, jamall made guys like fred jones, james jones, david harrison better. he can play the point guard position better then alot of people in t his league, ive had a chance to watch him play ALOT and i am impressed every time.

Hey I was a Jamaal fan for a while and still am, but 42? He's 50, maybe 48.

14.Michael Redd
21.Antawn Jamison [???????????]
25.Elton Brand
27.Carlos Boozer
39.Al Harrington
43.Latrel Sprewell
45.Baron Davis
47.Pau Gasol
48.Brad Miller
49.Carmello Anthony

You forgot Richard Jefferson!

I like Redd a lot, but he's not a top 20 player in the league, Larry Hughes is better than him, and so are Vince, Manu Ginobili, and Pierce as SG's, their's other players like Marion, Artest, Kirilenko, Kidd, Francis, Brand etc who aren't SG's and are better too.

, what really surprised me is Jamison at #21, Jamison isn't even a top 30 player in the league, it seems like a lot of people are overatting his impact on the Wizards, he's not even the Wizards best player, he's 3rd after Hughes and Arenas.
Jamison is a terrible defender, doesn't have any passing skills to talk about, not clutch for the most part, doesn't get to the line as well as he should, but he can score and rebound. I know many other players who can get 20+ points and 9+ rebounds, while doing a lot more in addition.

Elton Brand at #25, I don't know what to say

Isn't #27 kinda high for Carlos Boozer, I mean ahead of Hughes, J-Rich, Rashard, Ginobili, Baron, Maggette, Carmelo, Gasol, Peja, Ben, and probably a few more people. Boozer is only slightly better than a Troy Murphy, and Murphy is the better rebounder, they both suck defensively, and Boozer's only edge is being a more efficient scorer. Boozer is like Pau Gasol except he can't block shots in terms of his production. They put up the similar numbers with Boozer being the better rebounder, both are bad defenders, but Gasol can block.

Should Al Harrington be in a Top 50 list? I mean if he's in, then Bosh should be in the spot right before him.

Spreewell?

Baron Davis' ranking surprised me too, he's a top 15 player when he's healthy, and even with him injured, he should be at least top 30.

Gasol, I'm guessing it's because of the injury...if Boozer is #27, he should be 26 or 28, though neither should be that high.

What did Brad Miller do wrong, their is the fact that he's in a good system to boost your numbers passing wise though, I mean Mobley has gone up like 2 assists a game since becoming a King, and Miller isn't a good defender either, but I'd expect him a little higher.

I know Carmelo has been playing bad, but man, he's not that bad

have you even watched the pacers play?

It seems like every time jo takes the outside shot he hits it, and he still takes it inside a lot. His main shot is the turnaround jumper low in the key on the baseline.

I think we can all agree that JO shoots too many jumpers, their's a reason he only shot 43% from the field last season, and isn't at 48-50% this season. He developed his jumpshot, and now he likes it too much, everyone knows it.

Tinsley 42=

Gasol should be higher than 47, Baron Davis = Top 10 when healthy, Sprewell should be off the list...oh and, Chauncey Billups > Tinsley, Hinrich

Tinsley is very underatted though, I wouldn't say Billups is clear cut better than him, though I would agree he is, but it's definately arguable.

Tinsley v. Arenas
(Arenas averages 5 more min. per game)

PPG 17.3 23.6
RPG 4.4 4.0
APG 6.7 4.8
SPG 2.26 1.66
FG% .431 .427
3P% .387 .364

Tinsley v. Parker
(Parker averages 1.5 min. less per game)

PPG 17.3 15.5
RPG 4.4 3.5
APG 6.7 6.0
SPG 2.26 .78
FG% .431 .489
3P% .387 .270

Tinsley v. Bibby
(Bibby averages 3 min. more per game)

PPG 17.3 17.0
RPG 4.4 4.4
APG 6.7 6.1
SPG 2.26 1.41
FG% .431 .451
3P% .387 .380

Tinsley v. Miller
(Miller averages 2 min. more per game)

PPG 17.3 15.0
RPG 4.4 4.4
APG 6.7 6.3
SPG 2.26 1.51
FG% .431 .477
3P% .387 .125

Tinsley v. Hinrich
(Hinrich averages 2.5 min. more per game)

PPG 17.3 16.7
RPG 4.4 4.1
APG 6.7 7.1
SPG 2.26 1.50
FG% .431 .403
3P% .387 .348



Tinsley v. Francis
(Francis averages 3 min. more per game)

PPG 17.3 21.6
RPG 4.4 6.4
APG 6.7 6.9
SPG 2.26 1.34
FG% .431 .420
3P% .387 .282

Obviously we all know numbers don't mean everything at all, but add to that, he's an above average - good defender, has great vision, and is also pretty clutch. On my list, I'd put him at 48, though I put him at 50, I think he's a better player than Hinrich and Parker.

anyways, i put Elton Brand at 9...i thought of JO but then i said....Brand is a better mid range shooter, a better man-to-man defender (top 5 PF mos def), a better rebounder too. He reminds me of Tim Duncan a bit. It also helps that he has to face Western Conf. PF's 4 times a year to JO's 2.

Yea, Brand is also a better passer than JO, a lot of people would take JO based on the fact that the Pacers are a better team, but Brand is just as good and better in many areas than JO.

I like Duncan better because he is pure fundamentals and isn't a jerk. KG is the opposite of both of those.

I'll give it to you that Duncan is better but how is KG a jerk? A guy who donated the most money for the tsnaumi relief in the NBA? A guy who does more charity work than most NBA players? A guy who loves the game? Is it because he punched a guy in the fast for being a jerk?

Yes, he punched a guy who had idolized him in the face, bloodying him up for no good reason. That's called being a jerk.

Tsunami Relief? So what? He's earning $2,000 an hour, I think he can spare some.

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Peja should be higher. He isn't scoring as much as last year, but he still averages 20 ppg. And the point downturn should be expect with Webber actually playing most of the season. He's the deadliest 3pt shooter in the league.

Carter's been playing awesome lately, so I'd put him up there in the tops. Carmelo #13, no way. He hasn't playing as good as he could, but even if he was he's not in the top 20, let alone 13.

Marbury's too high. Dude can score, but he sucks in decision making crunch time. Knicks really need a PG. He should play SG. Wade should be higher. Webber shouldn't be in the top 10. Carter, Jermaine O'Neal, Allen, Stevie Franchise are all better.

KMart shouldn't be ahead of RJ, Bibby, Ben Wallace.

Ginobli's definately better than 48. Damn.. He should be much higher. Antonie Walker should be much lower.

if we're just going to talk about character, i'm going with duncan.

I'll give it to you that Duncan is better

Yay for Riot!

fgrep15, you are right about a lot of things, i disagree with you about a few. If i had done this list more carefully and thought about each player it probably would have ended up a little different.

I'll give it to you that Duncan is better

Yay for Riot!

Yeah, Duncan is better but I just don't see how people get this jerk stuff.

Yes, KG makes a lot but $100,000 is a lot of money on any level. I didn't see Duncan doing it, is he a jerk?

Also, no reason? Rickert was asked to leave the gym a few times and he wouldn't then he started talking shit. Michael Jordan puched out Steve Kerr, is MJ a jerk too? People make mistakes.

Tsunami Relief? So what? He's earning like $1,000 a day

Lol I think that amount is slightly understated. He's on $17,000,000 a year or something ridiculous isn't it? That'd work out at like $46,000 a day

He almost gets $2,000 an hour

Okay let me change that.

Here would be mine

1: Iverson

Obviously one of the best players ever to play the game and if he was just a tad bit taller he would be the best.

And before people start bashing me and sticking their foot in their mouths. THIS IS AN OPINION.

Even if Iverson was 6'4", he wouldn't be the best. He's got a low FG% and as everyone knows he has a reputatuion for, putting up stats and not winning. Don't get me wrong, I love Iverson, it's just that he's not the best.THIS IS AN OPINION.

Here would be mine

1: Iverson

well, then your list would be wrong.

THIS IS AN OPINION

great so i can say my top 5 all time list is

1.) Fred Jones
2.) James Jones
3.) Austin Croshere
4.) David Harrison
5.) Eddie Gill

dont bash me for saying that cuz its my OPINION!!!

Here would be mine

1: Iverson

well, then your list would be wrong.

THIS IS AN OPINION

great so i can say my top 5 all time list is

1.) Fred Jones
2.) James Jones
3.) Austin Croshere
4.) David Harrison
5.) Eddie Gill

dont bash me for saying that cuz its my OPINION!!!

mine would be:
1. P. Shirley
2. D. Harvey
3. Z. Wang
4. M. Bateer
5. Y. Tabuse



kidding aside, here's mine:

1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Shaq
4. Dirk
5. James

um, guys, don't bash me, it's just an opinion...

Here would be mine

1: Iverson

Obviously one of the best players ever to play the game and if he was just a tad bit taller he would be the best.

And before people start bashing me and sticking their foot in their mouths. THIS IS AN OPINION.

well at least he picked a top 10 nba player. gotta remember AI lead the 76ers to the nba championship a few years back..can't say that for mcgrady..

Well, he got out of the first round...

Even if Iverson was 6'4", he wouldn't be the best. He's got a low FG% and as everyone knows he has a reputatuion for, putting up stats and not winning. Don't get me wrong, I love Iverson, it's just that he's not the best.THIS IS AN OPINION.

I wouldn't go that far. He is a top 10 player and an MVP candidate (he is, although he has no chance of winning this year) and he does lead his team to wins. He's a player you'd want with the ball in crunch time for the 76ers. His FG% isn't great, but I wouldn't just put him off saying he plays for stats. He does play to win, but the 76ers never really had anyone there besides him who could score. Now that Korver, Green, Iguodala are stepping up they're winning games.
He lead the 76ers to the Finals in 2001, but who did they have that was really a scorer besides him?

Nobody on that 2001 team was a scorer. Most of them were known as defensive players. Mutombo, Snow, Hill, that guy who now plays for New Orleans. Some scoring was coming off the bench with McKie, but the team was built around Iverson scoring.

Yup, the whole point was to have guys like that, they were a good team though, I mean they did have the MVP, DPOY, and the Sixth man of the year all on the same team.

Even if Iverson was 6'4", he wouldn't be the best. He's got a low FG% and as everyone knows he has a reputatuion for, putting up stats and not winning. Don't get me wrong, I love Iverson, it's just that he's not the best.THIS IS AN OPINION.

I wouldn't go that far. He is a top 10 player and an MVP candidate (he is, although he has no chance of winning this year) and he does lead his team to wins. He's a player you'd want with the ball in crunch time for the 76ers. His FG% isn't great, but I wouldn't just put him off saying he plays for stats. He does play to win, but the 76ers never really had anyone there besides him who could score. Now that Korver, Green, Iguodala are stepping up they're winning games.
He lead the 76ers to the Finals in 2001, but who did they have that was really a scorer besides him?

Look, I don't really know why I put the reputation thing in there. the fact is he's one of my favorite players (probably fourth behind, Jermaine, Artest and Rafer). it's just that he's nNOT the best and even if he was a few inches taller, he wouldn't BE the best.

I'm not saying he's the best. He's definately one of the best NBA players though and not good only for stats like say.. Stephon Marbury, Antoine Walker, and guys like that,

definately agree with john wb. id take iverson and his low fg% anyday over the best pg in the league(haha faggot marbury gets what he deserves) and mr kfc(fat 3pt chucker)