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Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:59 am
So in about 4-5 years we will have a thread about "somebody" already better than lebron"?
Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:06 pm
Little_Big_Man wrote:Well as a Kobe fan here is my two cents.....Kobe is the better player PERIOD. On NBA.com there was a poll for the best player at each position and Kobe won shooting guard with 100%. No other player in the poll at their respective position got 100%. When the game is on the line who would you want taking the shot?? Kobe was voted as that player on NBA.com also. He also was on top for the player to start your franchise with along with Shaq, NOT LeBron. Not taking anything away from LeBron he is a great athlete and sure to become a great but he is no where near Kobe's level. Lets not forget also that Kobe is playing with plantar fasciitis which sidelines most people but he is playing through it and still doing pretty good but not his usual. Kobe is a three time champion also (Shaq or no Shaq) he is still a champion. Also he is leading his team in assists yet again and he is still called selfish. Lets not forget that in order to register an assist the person you pass to must MAKE the shot. This is the reason why he doesn't average more. He has been penetrating the lane at will and dropping passes to wide open teammates who can't hit the broadside of a barn with a bus this year. Odom who should be his right hand man has been inconsistent this year, Butler has showed flashes of brilliance, Devean is injured, Vlade isn't in game shape yet, Rush is still struggling after his ankle injury, Brian Grant has been a bore and everyone else just doesn't contribute. Now Brian Cook has been phenominal with defense and knocking down the mid-range jumper and threes, he needs more minutes. Kobe is the man and always will be as long as he is playing. He also commands double and even triple teams and still manages to score at will WITH plantar fasciitis. Know your facts before you dis my boy Kobe. LeBron will be great but it will take a little more time.
Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:11 pm
Lets not forget that in order to register an assist the person you pass to must MAKE the shot. This is the reason why he doesn't average more.
Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:27 pm
Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:25 pm
but Lebron has thrice the talent and three times a better mentality and attitude towards the game
I am currently treating my left foot for plantar fasciitis and it is no laughing matter. Even though it seems like it isn't effecting them an 1 to 2in drop in leaping ability can adversely affect your shot and reaction time in mobility, I know.
Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:43 am
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:24 am
K0be4mvp wrote:Kobe also improves his teammates:
Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%
Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%
Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%
Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%
Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:42 pm
Kobe also improves his teammates:
Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%
Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%
Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%
Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%
Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%
Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:43 pm
But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade
Why is Kobe shooting worse than his rookie year? Cmon you know there isn't an excuse except...
HE'S A FRIGGIN BALLHOG!!
Not to mention LeBron James has shittier teammates. Drew Gooden, Z, Jeff McInnis are worse than Odom, Butler and Chucky Atkins.
Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:44 pm
Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:15 pm
bangyounh wrote:But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade
And until LeBron James goes into the playoffs and does something clutch like Dwayne Wade did in his playoff run, Dwayne Wade is still the better player. (even thought stat-wise and hype-wise LeBron James is better.)
Anyhow, also look at the efficiency rating of LeBron James(2nd!! ONLY BEHIND KG!). It's higher than Kobe's. If you didn't know, efficiency ratings are a pretty good indication of a player's overall performance as players with top efficiency has won the MVP a lot of the times.
Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:24 pm
philberttheduck wrote:Kobe also improves his teammates:
Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%
Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%
Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%
Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%
Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%
hmm, you can't say those stats are legit in this arguement. he didn't play alot with DET. the better stat would be when he started in boston:
Last Year: 12.0 ppg .418 fg% .351 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%
because he was a full time starter, averaging 33.0 mpg (similar to his current 34.4mpg).
also, caron butler was coming off the bench/hitting the sophmore slump. this year, he's clearly been a contributor as a starter. i don think caron's stats should be mentioned in this because of the sophmore slump. i mean, the year before that he averaged 15.4 ppg.
chris mihm, again, wasn't a starter so his stats were nothing.
Possibly because he didn't play near as many minutes, take near as many shots, and wasn't the #1 go to guy on his team.
Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:59 am
ruffryder8 wrote:How about making one post!!!!But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade
Gimme a fucking break. Dwyane Wade doesn't even play like MJ really. Wade plays alot different, more flashy and isn't as much of an overpowering offensive player as Jordan was. His J is improving, but still needs help.Why is Kobe shooting worse than his rookie year? Cmon you know there isn't an excuse except...
HE'S A FRIGGIN BALLHOG!!
Possibly because he didn't play near as many minutes, take near as many shots, and wasn't the #1 go to guy on his team.Not to mention LeBron James has shittier teammates. Drew Gooden, Z, Jeff McInnis are worse than Odom, Butler and Chucky Atkins.
Are you sure about that? Kobe's teammates (the one's you named) average 38 ppg 18 rpg, and Bron's(the ones you named) average 45ppg and 20 rpg.
lol...you seriously think Wade is closer to Jordan to LeBron?