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Sat Nov 27, 2004 5:40 pm

Just the way Lebron shares the ball amongst his teamates, he's already better than Kobe!

Sun Nov 28, 2004 9:30 am

Well as a Kobe fan here is my two cents.....Kobe is the better player PERIOD. On NBA.com there was a poll for the best player at each position and Kobe won shooting guard with 100%. No other player in the poll at their respective position got 100%. When the game is on the line who would you want taking the shot?? Kobe was voted as that player on NBA.com also. He also was on top for the player to start your franchise with along with Shaq, NOT LeBron. Not taking anything away from LeBron he is a great athlete and sure to become a great but he is no where near Kobe's level. Lets not forget also that Kobe is playing with plantar fasciitis which sidelines most people but he is playing through it and still doing pretty good but not his usual. Kobe is a three time champion also (Shaq or no Shaq) he is still a champion. Also he is leading his team in assists yet again and he is still called selfish. Lets not forget that in order to register an assist the person you pass to must MAKE the shot. This is the reason why he doesn't average more. He has been penetrating the lane at will and dropping passes to wide open teammates who can't hit the broadside of a barn with a bus this year. Odom who should be his right hand man has been inconsistent this year, Butler has showed flashes of brilliance, Devean is injured, Vlade isn't in game shape yet, Rush is still struggling after his ankle injury, Brian Grant has been a bore and everyone else just doesn't contribute. Now Brian Cook has been phenominal with defense and knocking down the mid-range jumper and threes, he needs more minutes. Kobe is the man and always will be as long as he is playing. He also commands double and even triple teams and still manages to score at will WITH plantar fasciitis. Know your facts before you dis my boy Kobe. LeBron will be great but it will take a little more time.

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:34 pm

It amuses me when people want to compare players based on less than a quarter season's play. It amuses me when they throw facts out the window, or leave them off the platter to support their claims. Let's not forget LeBron is playing in the East with that subpar team(Yes, it's subpar) and Kobe is playing in the West with that Subpar team(Yes, it's subpar too).

Let's not forget that the Lakers have to play teams like Garnette, Duncan, Dallas, Pheonix, Utah. Great defensive teams with inside presence. Who does LeBron have to play on a regular basis? Miami? There's nobody in the East who is scary right now. Please don't say Detroit because I don't feel like laughing right now. Miami is going to win that conference at this point, and that's really sad, because they have NOBODY behind Shaq and Wade. If Indiana hadn't gone Artest on Detroit's fans they would come out of the East easily.

Right now, Kobe is unassuredly the better player of the two. Anyone who saids otherwise needs to take their blinders off. You hate, for no other reason than to hate. Is that any way to live your crappy life? Ah, whatever brings you happiness.

Has LeBron shown flashes of being greater? Yes. Do I think one day LeBron might be the better player? Maybe. Will LeBron all of a sudden attract rabid fans just because they hate Kobe and the Lakers are dismantled so fans with an inferiority complex need someone to hate on, even if that player is now on an average team, and if they make the playoffs it would be a great accomplishment? Yes, to that as well.

You see, Kobe is hated. He is hated for one reason above all others. He doesn't give a damn about the fans and media who hate him. In fact, he uses your irrational thought patterns and witty(haha, you'd think) remarks as motivation. He knows everyone waiting for you to fail, and that's what drives him. Myself, I admire players with that kind of competetive drive, even if they fail. That's why MJ was my favorite player of all time, is my favorite player of all time. The guy had a competetiveness, work ethic, and athletic ability that was unparralelled for his time and we may never see one like him again.

So before you start all this hogwash about LeBron being better than Kobe just because he is averaging better stats and might be having more short term success with a team he's been around longer than Kobe has been around his new teammates in a weaker conference with no real top dog, let's use our brains, if we have any, for a second. No? Then continue sippin' your haterade playa's.

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:43 pm

that was very well written and you have good, solid thoughts....no arguments there...


but, you didn't make a case for kobe there at all.

Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:55 pm

What do you want me to do? Wave Kobe's 3 rings? Oh wait, he won those with Shaq. Their stats are almost identical with LeBron's being slightly better, but Kobe is in a tougher conference and gets more attention than LeBron does. Kobe is more clutch at the moment. I'd be all for this comparison if you took Izildizzle(Sorry, his name is impossible to spell) from the Cavs frontcourt. Let's see how LeBron does without any post presence to clog the middle and take away attention from himself. The Lakers are pretty much a parimeter driven, backcourt driven team. Atleast the Cavs have a post presence.

Yet:
Kobe 29 6.9 6.0 1.15 1.31 3.9
LeBron 26.7 7.9 6.2 2.25 1.25 3.3

LeBron is better? Because of a slight edge on rebounding and steals? Is Mihm IzzleDizzle's equal? Odom and Gooden don't even have similiar games. LeBron has more talent helping him in the backcourt. All the Lakers depend on Kobe to create a shot for them. All of the PPG and FG % are up from their career average. Yes, Kobe needs to take a better shot selection sometimes(Like he did against Sac), but I don't see how anyone can honestly say he's worse than LeBron right now.

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:26 pm

LeBron James just became the youngest player in NBA history to score 2000 points.

Sun Nov 28, 2004 3:59 pm

Lebron is just doing better than Kobe when Kobe was Bron's age. Yes, Kobe didn't get as many mins, but in Kobe's 4th season he start to play alot more and that's when he became known. He averaged 22.5ppg, 6.3rpg and 4.9apg in 38.2mpg. Kobe may be in the West, but don't you think having Shaq made things easier for him? I know it would for me if I had Shaq on my team, and at that time, Shaq was the man on that team until like around the new millenium. If you look at Kobe's FG% right now he is shooting 40% which is his lowest in his career. He had Shaq throughout his entire career too. Things will be alot tougher on Kobe now since he don't have Shaq so if he can step his game up and show why he wanted his own team then let him do that. Lebron may be in the East, but that's not an excuse for why he is playing so well. Every NBA team has to play each other so it's not like Lebron just plays eastern teams and no western teams. The Cavs did beat the two western teams they have played so far in the season which is a hard Phoenix team and a bad Warriors team. I'm going to wait til' the end of the season or at least close to the end of the season before I can say if Lebron is better, but I know he is playing better right now. If I wanted someone to take the shot at the end of a game, it would be Kobe of course, but Kobe has been in the league alot longer than Bron. How about when Kobe took that shot against the Jazz lmao, when he was around Bron age? So in about 4-5 years we will have a thread about "somebody" already better than lebron"?

Mon Nov 29, 2004 4:59 am

So in about 4-5 years we will have a thread about "somebody" already better than lebron"?


Dwight Howard. :lol:

Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:06 pm

Little_Big_Man wrote:Well as a Kobe fan here is my two cents.....Kobe is the better player PERIOD. On NBA.com there was a poll for the best player at each position and Kobe won shooting guard with 100%. No other player in the poll at their respective position got 100%. When the game is on the line who would you want taking the shot?? Kobe was voted as that player on NBA.com also. He also was on top for the player to start your franchise with along with Shaq, NOT LeBron. Not taking anything away from LeBron he is a great athlete and sure to become a great but he is no where near Kobe's level. Lets not forget also that Kobe is playing with plantar fasciitis which sidelines most people but he is playing through it and still doing pretty good but not his usual. Kobe is a three time champion also (Shaq or no Shaq) he is still a champion. Also he is leading his team in assists yet again and he is still called selfish. Lets not forget that in order to register an assist the person you pass to must MAKE the shot. This is the reason why he doesn't average more. He has been penetrating the lane at will and dropping passes to wide open teammates who can't hit the broadside of a barn with a bus this year. Odom who should be his right hand man has been inconsistent this year, Butler has showed flashes of brilliance, Devean is injured, Vlade isn't in game shape yet, Rush is still struggling after his ankle injury, Brian Grant has been a bore and everyone else just doesn't contribute. Now Brian Cook has been phenominal with defense and knocking down the mid-range jumper and threes, he needs more minutes. Kobe is the man and always will be as long as he is playing. He also commands double and even triple teams and still manages to score at will WITH plantar fasciitis. Know your facts before you dis my boy Kobe. LeBron will be great but it will take a little more time.

Just something about this, that was before the season, they voted Tmac as a SF also which helped Kobe, and no one would vote for the guy who just won 20 something games. It's a toss up for PG's, KG has Duncan, and Shaq has Yao, I guess they thought Yao would really improve.

Rashard Lewis is also playing with plantar fascitis, don't make it a bigger deal than it is, it depends on how serious it is, you can play with it without it affecting you if it isn't serious, that's not an excuse at all.

If you have the ball in you hands all the time you're bound to get assists, many other Kobe fans I know even agree he hogs too much, he always tries to go one on one right away, and if it doesn't work then he kicks it out. If he'd be smarter and run the offense first, then when their's about 10 second left if they can't find anything, they break the defense down and create then it'd be better, but just dribbling for 20 seconds then passing only when you have to isn't sharing the ball. Tmac also "shared" the ball last season :roll:, except Tmac had to do that on offense, Kobe doesn't.

Odom hasn't been inconsistent, Odom hasn't been getting the ball, consistently offensively isn't something you see much from perimeter orianted players anyways in terms of shooting, but Odom has actually been consistent, and is also shooting 47.8%, but he's not getting shots. If you're looking at consistency through how many points he scored that stupid, you can't score if you don't shoot.

Also about teammates not hitting shots, the Lakers are averaging 97.8 points on 44.6% shooting this season 9th in the league, and Kobe is taking the most shots and shooting 41%, so the rest of the team is shooting pretty good then. Kobe has the ball his hands almost all the time, they're definately hitting their shots, obviously their'll be times when players don't, but I don't know where you got that from. Check the numbers, not hitting shots is the Raptors players last season, or the Warriors, Nets or Bulls this season.

Also if you don't think Lebron is now getting the DT's and TT's, watch again, I think it was yesterday, down the stretch Kobe was facing single defensive pressure yet that same night in the game Lebron was playing he was getting doubled.

Now I'm not a fan of Lebron, but let's not say what's not true.

Lebron's not better yet because he's not as good a defender, and offensively still has some things he needs to improve, but he's already showing a better basketball IQ than Kobe, and is already a better rebounder and passer, and the thing is that he get's his assists in the flow of the offense. Defesively Lebron has improved, but his man to man defense is not there, also due to him lacking the lateral quickness, but his off ball defense is real good, he's great at playing passing lanes, and also helping.
Also East or West means nothing in this, the East has equal swingman talent, and also has had better defenses than the West for the most part.

I think a lot of Kobe fans are in denial with this because they've been comparing Kobe to Jordan, and now a guy comes who's closer to Kobe than Kobe ever was to Jordan, and it's threatning Kobe's thought dominance as a swingman by his fans. Not from this, but in many other boards I've seen some Kobe fans start to hate Lebron and Wade just this year because they're doing so well.

I think by next year Lebron will be better than Kobe or they'll be extremely arguable. Lebron had a huge jump offensively and defensively from last season to this season, and their's nothing in his way for next season. Many players peak at age 25 or 26 in terms of statistical production, and after that age just become smarter players or better defenders etc, and Kobe is basically at that stage. Lebron is he keeps his numbers up would've surpassed Kobe in some statistical categories, is constantly improving his game, and his basketball IQ already seems to be ahead of KB8's....

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:11 pm

Lets not forget that in order to register an assist the person you pass to must MAKE the shot. This is the reason why he doesn't average more.


your kobe thingie is quite good....but err if thats the case ^^^...then lots of players will be averaging bigger assists....Andre Miller will be having 10 a night, B-Diddy will be having 12 a night, every point guard will have like minimum 10 per night....n even SG's would have like 8-15 per game if your singling out the Lakers bad shooting.

But yeh Kobe is currently better cause of defense, clutch play and prolly b-ball IQ...but Lebron has thrice the talent and three times a better mentality and attitude towards the game.....so he will take over Kobe's "reign".

Mon Nov 29, 2004 2:27 pm

For the most part I have to agree with what your saying fgrep15. LeBron is getting way better. Also the reason why LeBron is playing better this year is because he has a real point guard in Snow. Kobe has little Atkins and Tierre Brown. Not taking anything away from those guys but Kobe has had better at that position. Also I agree that Kobe dominates the ball but I believe he has to in order to make the defense honest. If he isn't aggressive then the defense can defend everyone making it tougher.

Kobe has been playing the same way for a few years now as far as trying to dominate the ball and take shots that seem horrible, but the shots are only horrible if they don't go in. If he makes it its a spectacular shot, if it doesn't then its "what was he thinking". Obviously it has worked since he has all those rings and Finals appearances. Also with Shaq gone the offense has to go through him. He does need to take better shots though, but in his last game he was like 11-17 and made just about all his free throws and people were still complaining that he didn't get his teammates involved. If you are hot then you should keep taking those shots.

Also what sets Kobe apart from the rest is his competitive drive that is almost unmatched and his willingness to put it all on the floor. Besides that one Sacramento game where he didn't want to shoot he has always given 110%.

I've never knocked Wade as he is a truly spectacular player and compliments Shaq almost as Kobe did. I just never liked all the hype that Bron Bron has gotten compared to like Melo and Wade. Also with LeBrons height he should be a better rebounder especially now that Boozer is gone. Its true the East has gotten better but only because of the 2 O'Neals and the Pistons and Magic. The West is the powerhouse of the League with the Spurs, Denver, Phoenix, Dallas, Sacramento, Utah and even Seattle this year. I'm not here to hate on people just to give Kobe the props he deserves. As I said before LeBron is going to be the man but whether or not he can deliver a championship before Kobe can is still a matter of time. Who can will their team forward to the title first is now the question.

I am currently treating my left foot for plantar fasciitis and it is no laughing matter. Even though it seems like it isn't effecting them an 1 to 2in drop in leaping ability can adversely affect your shot and reaction time in mobility, I know.

Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:25 pm

but Lebron has thrice the talent and three times a better mentality and attitude towards the game

You GOT TO BE KIDDING ME :lol: :lol: :lol:
I am currently treating my left foot for plantar fasciitis and it is no laughing matter. Even though it seems like it isn't effecting them an 1 to 2in drop in leaping ability can adversely affect your shot and reaction time in mobility, I know.

Yeah same here, I also have plantar fasciitis and its a bitch. I cant use my heel on my left foot and have to walk on my toes all the time. But I guess it depends on how serious it is.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:43 am

I can't decide if LeBron or Kobe is the better player right now. Kobe is obviously the better defender, but LeBron improves his teammates (Kobe and Lamar don't fit yet). Until Divac is back and the Lakers got time to get their game, we will see if Kobe is a leader or not.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:08 am

Kobe also improves his teammates:

Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%

Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%

Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%

Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%

Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%

Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:11 am

good stuff, fgrep. still waiting for the other's side rebuttal

cavs have an inside presence? don't say ilgauskas. don't you have to play in the paint to be considered one of those? at least mihm hangs out /takes most of his shots in the post.

what happened to odom's ability to create his own shot?

Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:24 am

K0be4mvp wrote:Kobe also improves his teammates:

Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%

Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%

Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%

Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%

Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%

With Odom it's not because Kobe is dishing to him, he's just getting less defensive attention, Odom has never been a guy to catch and shoot much, always creates for himself, and he's only getting assisted on 49% of his FG's. You can't just put career stats for Odom, his second year as a Clippers he shot 46% as the 1 or 2 option. The other yeas he was injured and it obviously affected his production, and last year he was the main go to guy along with Wade on the team, EJ did a lot of catch and shooting.

I think the benafactors are Atkins on three's sometimes, Mihm, and also Caron Butler a little, but Butler is in the same situation where as a rookie he was the go to guy on the team, and last year he was injured and never got his rythm or got in the flow offensively.

With Atkins, you need to also show career highs, not just last season stats, Atkins wasn't fitting well in Detroit, and shot 37.4%, and 32,3%, you could clearly see his gme was suffering. In Boston last season he shot 41.8% and 35.1%, and his career highs are 46.6% and 41.1% playing with Jerry Stackhouse, maybe Stack made his teammates better :lol:

I really don't understand the basis of some of the stats you posted, what's the need of PPG? You're indicating an increase in PPG for Caron, Atkins and Mihm, but Chuck was averaging more points in Boston playing slightly less minutes, and even in Detroit per minute averaged more points. I already spoke on Caron was not in the offense in Miami last year because of early injury and falling out of place when he returned because he couldn't get his shot falling, and get hsi rythm offensively, so he focused on defense and rebounding. He also already averaged 15 points as a rookie. Mihm revieved an increase in about 11 minutes per game, that's bound to increase his PPG, but he's had a good increase in FG%, Kobe has helped Mihm in that they get a litle conneciton going sometimes.

I was actually happy Mihm got traded to the Lakers and got a chance to start, he's had injury problems his whole career, and I was hoping the Raptors could get him for a while, but he's an athletic guy who can rebound, block shots, and can definately work in the post, some didn't seem to think he could do anything, but he's definately not a bad player.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:27 am

I can't believe people are still rooting for Kobe after he destroyed Karl Malone's ring. It was his fault. Yes, Kobe's fault for ruining that Lakers run.

Ok, that aside. Kobe is an extremely talented but immature individual who suffers from(?) an extreme case of narcicism. Do you know his field goal percentage is LOWER THAN HIS ROOKIE YEAR? Maybe it's, just MAYBE it's because he is now double teamed and he can't go one on one like when he went against Shaq. Shaq made Kobe the player he is. Without Shaq, no Kobe. Do you really buy the fact that Kobe didn't want Shaq out? OF course he did, he didn't want to be a Pippen/Sidekick. He was willing to sabotage a championship and his team in order to be the one man show.

LeBron James is much more mature than childish Kobe. Look at how LeBron James plays the game. He takes much less selfish shots than Kobe. (Oh just look at his FG%, it's much higher.) Not to mention LeBron James has shittier teammates. Drew Gooden, Z, Jeff McInnis are worse than Odom, Butler and Chucky Atkins.

(Oh yea, I think an innocent person is way better than a rapist. Don't you all agree?)

Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:29 am

Why is Kobe shooting worse than his rookie year? Cmon you know there isn't an excuse except...

HE'S A FRIGGIN BALLHOG!!

Tue Nov 30, 2004 11:36 am

But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade

And until LeBron James goes into the playoffs and does something clutch like Dwayne Wade did in his playoff run, Dwayne Wade is still the better player. (even thought stat-wise and hype-wise LeBron James is better.)


Anyhow, also look at the efficiency rating of LeBron James(2nd!! ONLY BEHIND KG!). It's higher than Kobe's. If you didn't know, efficiency ratings are a pretty good indication of a player's overall performance as players with top efficiency has won the MVP a lot of the times.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:42 pm

Kobe also improves his teammates:

Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%

Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%

Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%

Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%

Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%


hmm, you can't say those stats are legit in this arguement. he didn't play alot with DET. the better stat would be when he started in boston:

Last Year: 12.0 ppg .418 fg% .351 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%

because he was a full time starter, averaging 33.0 mpg (similar to his current 34.4mpg).

also, caron butler was coming off the bench/hitting the sophmore slump. this year, he's clearly been a contributor as a starter. i don think caron's stats should be mentioned in this because of the sophmore slump. i mean, the year before that he averaged 15.4 ppg.

chris mihm, again, wasn't a starter so his stats were nothing.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:43 pm

How about making one post!!!!


But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade

Gimme a fucking break. Dwyane Wade doesn't even play like MJ really. Wade plays alot different, more flashy and isn't as much of an overpowering offensive player as Jordan was. His J is improving, but still needs help.

Why is Kobe shooting worse than his rookie year? Cmon you know there isn't an excuse except...

HE'S A FRIGGIN BALLHOG!!

Possibly because he didn't play near as many minutes, take near as many shots, and wasn't the #1 go to guy on his team.

Not to mention LeBron James has shittier teammates. Drew Gooden, Z, Jeff McInnis are worse than Odom, Butler and Chucky Atkins.

Are you sure about that? Kobe's teammates (the one's you named) average 38 ppg 18 rpg, and Bron's(the ones you named) average 45ppg and 20 rpg.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:44 pm

lol, oops about the previous post. i didn't see that fgrep15 basically said what i stated.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:15 pm

bangyounh wrote:But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade

And until LeBron James goes into the playoffs and does something clutch like Dwayne Wade did in his playoff run, Dwayne Wade is still the better player. (even thought stat-wise and hype-wise LeBron James is better.)


Anyhow, also look at the efficiency rating of LeBron James(2nd!! ONLY BEHIND KG!). It's higher than Kobe's. If you didn't know, efficiency ratings are a pretty good indication of a player's overall performance as players with top efficiency has won the MVP a lot of the times.


lol...you seriously think Wade is closer to Jordan to LeBron?

And may I ask you guys one thing? Can we all please stop comparing to Jrodan? There will never ever be another Jordan, never. LeBron or Kobe or who ever may one day be better than Jordan, or not, but there will never be another Jordan, Jordan wass just...Jordan.

Nor will there ever be another Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Wilt Chamberlain, etc. These guys were all so special in their own way that their can never be another one of them, maybe a player who has a similair game but never will there be a player who can be what these guys were.

Just my opinion, I have a lot of respect for a lot of the legends and I don't think its fair to compare anybody in today's game to them.

Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:24 pm

philberttheduck wrote:
Kobe also improves his teammates:

Chucky Atkins
Last Year: 8.4 PPG, .397 FG% and .336 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%

Lamar Odom
Last Year: 17.1 PPG, .430 FG% and .298 3P%
This Year: 14.2 PPG, .478 FG% and .304 3P%

Caron Butler
Last Year: 9.2 PPG, .380 FG% and .238 3P%
This Year: 13.6 PPG, .468 FG% and .351 3P%

Chris Mihm
Last Year: 6.3 PPG and .488 FG%
This Year: 11.7 PPG and 545 FG%

Odom, Butler and Mihm are currently having career highs in FG%


hmm, you can't say those stats are legit in this arguement. he didn't play alot with DET. the better stat would be when he started in boston:

Last Year: 12.0 ppg .418 fg% .351 3P%
This Year: 10.6 ppg, .417 FG% and .429 3P%

because he was a full time starter, averaging 33.0 mpg (similar to his current 34.4mpg).

also, caron butler was coming off the bench/hitting the sophmore slump. this year, he's clearly been a contributor as a starter. i don think caron's stats should be mentioned in this because of the sophmore slump. i mean, the year before that he averaged 15.4 ppg.

chris mihm, again, wasn't a starter so his stats were nothing.

So how do you explain the Field Goal percentages?
Possibly because he didn't play near as many minutes, take near as many shots, and wasn't the #1 go to guy on his team.

Also, he never got double teamed back then. At this moment he draws 2 defenders on nearly each ball possesion

Fri Dec 03, 2004 10:59 am

ruffryder8 wrote:How about making one post!!!!


But enough with all that...the closest thing to Jordan is...
Dwayne Wade

Gimme a fucking break. Dwyane Wade doesn't even play like MJ really. Wade plays alot different, more flashy and isn't as much of an overpowering offensive player as Jordan was. His J is improving, but still needs help.

Why is Kobe shooting worse than his rookie year? Cmon you know there isn't an excuse except...

HE'S A FRIGGIN BALLHOG!!

Possibly because he didn't play near as many minutes, take near as many shots, and wasn't the #1 go to guy on his team.

Not to mention LeBron James has shittier teammates. Drew Gooden, Z, Jeff McInnis are worse than Odom, Butler and Chucky Atkins.

Are you sure about that? Kobe's teammates (the one's you named) average 38 ppg 18 rpg, and Bron's(the ones you named) average 45ppg and 20 rpg.

Actually he's right, in terms of how they play, Wade is much closer to a younger Jordan than Lebron, Lebron doesn't have a style of play he compares to, he just has his own kind of playing style, but Wade plays a lot like Jordan used to.



lol...you seriously think Wade is closer to Jordan to LeBron?

Playing style, not talent wise, Lebron doesn't play like Jordan, but Wade plays like Jordan did his first few years in the league where he was primarily a slasher and embarasser of big men.
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