Favourite NBA season

[Jackal]

Apparently, some people care enough to quote what it is I said (although people dont care) to change what is I wrote since he/she didnt have a reasonable enough comeback.

[Shep]

some people care enough to quote what it is I said

it isn't about caring at all, its about telling you how it is. oh and i've been here longer than you too.

[Jackal]

When people (care enough) to tell someone, something, it's considered as caring.

Forgiveness for the longer thing is requested.

[Andrew]

Please guys, if you've got differences to settle, settle them privately. Let's just enjoy some NBA discussions, OK?

[Robby]

I just gave you statistical proof that Hakeem had better numbers than Shaq against the same competition

you give me points, and you think that that is statistical proof that olajuwon outplayed o'neal? ...thanks for finally giving me a link relative to this discussion. here are the stats in the same minutes:

olajuwon: 27.2p, 9.3r, 3.8a, 2s, 3.3b, 3.5to
o'neal: 25.1p, 13.2r, 3.6a, .46s, 2.28b, 3.4to

so yes, o'neal was slightly outplayed by olajuwon.
o'neal outplayed olajuwon through the regular season, in 51 games, not just 5 or 6 games...i'd rather judge someone on a large amount of games.

Yeah, but like I've said before, O'Neal didn't have to share the ball with Drexler or Barkley which Hakeem did and that's why his numbers were down. Besides, in the playoffs, they both went up against the exact same team one after the other and Hakeem's numbers are clearly superior to Shaq's.

I'm not sure why you can't handle the fact that Hakeem was better than for that season. Even Shaq said that Hakeem was better than him. What more do you want? And I've yet to see any relevant numbers from you.


All I've seen is a child who seems to have some unusually strong feelings toward Shaq and is not willing to admit that he's not the best despite concrete evidence being present.

oh and i've been here longer than you too.

I'm not going to talk about this point anymore because you, a modern day Simplicio as I've said before, don't want to listen to anything against your own opinions. Besides I don't want this thread to be locked up because you can't debate and have to resort to attacking others when you're wrong. Have a great day![/quote]

[Shep]

O'Neal didn't have to share the ball with Drexler or Barkley which Hakeem did and that's why his numbers were down.

o'neal shared the ball with jones, van exel, and campbell.

Besides, in the playoffs, they both went up against the exact same team one after the other and Hakeem's numbers are clearly superior to Shaq's

i have 51 games for my evidence, you have 5.

And I've yet to see any relevant numbers from you

you didn't see my season numbers?

All I've seen is a child who seems to have some unusually strong feelings toward Shaq and is not willing to admit that he's not the best despite concrete evidence being present

[Stevan]

LOL @ the love flourishing between certain posters.

Well... atleast this is better than "Kobe V T-mac"

Without getting too involved in the luurrvvee, personally I would have taken Hakeem at the time because he had proven that he could win by that stage and carry a team. Shackle was still growing into his game I suppose. You could trust Hakeem to deliver when it counted. I think Shaq was pretty close to over taking Hakeem at that stage due to one guy being on the decline and the other on the rise. Perhaps I would have given the vote to Shaq had he not blown out his knee that season and had the Lakers gone as far as expected.

96-97 Again: Does anyone remember that really terrible game MJ had against the Heat in the playoffs? He began the game shooting something like 2-20 and the Bulls were in deep shit! And he kept shooting! And he dropped 20 points in the third (I think) and x points in the fourth, but the Heat managed to win a close game. Twas pretty amazing. *stroke stroke stroke*

[Shep]

You could trust Hakeem to deliver when it counted.

olajuwon scores 16 points in the game houston was eliminated from the playoffs. do you call this delivering?

[Robby]

You could trust Hakeem to deliver when it counted.

olajuwon scores 16 points in the game houston was eliminated from the playoffs. do you call this delivering?

Drexler scored 33 points in that game and Barkley had 20 points. Hakeem only got 12 shots so that's why his points were low.

o'neal shared the ball with jones, van exel, and campbell.

Ture, but Shaq was always the first option unlike the Rockets who tried to get the ball to Hakeem most of the time but many times Barkley and Drexler took over and Hakeem was left out. That almost never happened in LA. Besides the max. points Van Exel scored in the LA-Utah series was 26, Jones' max was 17, and Campbell's max was 14. Jones was even scoreless in one of the games.

Campbell averaged 7.8 ppg, Jones had 10.2 ppg, and Van Exel had 19.2 ppg. So these are the guys who were holding back Shaq's ppg? Van Exel is the only one who could make that argument. All three of these guys add up to 37.2 ppg.

Barkley averaged 16.2 ppg, Drexler had 17.8 ppg, and Eddie Johnson who was also a big part of the Rocket offense had 10.5 ppg. All these guys add up to 44.5 ppg.

And despite these numbers, Hakeem outscored Shaq against the exact same competition.

i have 51 games for my evidence, you have 5.

Those 51 games mean that Shaq had more rest than Hakeem who played 78 games. Despite this, Hakeem outplayed Shaq in the playoffs.

I agree with what Stevan said. 96-97 was the last year Hakeem was better than Shaq because the next season I would have taken Shaq over Hakeem.

[Shep]

Drexler scored 33 points in that game and Barkley had 20 points. Hakeem only got 12 shots so that's why his points were low.

leaders/best centers in the league demand the ball in big games.

So these are the guys who were holding back Shaq's ppg?

these guys are the reason that the lakers didn't win more games in that series. shaq played his part, it was just a matter of whether or not his teammates would step up to the occasion, which they didn't.

Barkley averaged 16.2 ppg, Drexler had 17.8 ppg, and Eddie Johnson who was also a big part of the Rocket offense had 10.5 ppg. All these guys add up to 44.5 ppg.

thank you. more contributers = more victories

Hakeem outplayed Shaq in the playoffs

wrong. other than the lakers/jazz series and the rockets/jazz series, shaq averaged 33 points and 9.3 rebounds, and olajuwon 20.7 points and 11.8 rebounds

[Robby]

leaders/best centers in the league demand the ball in big games.

Great players also know when to step aside, if their teammates are in the zone. Even MJ did so if Pippen or Kukoc were on fire.

these guys are the reason that the lakers didn't win more games in that series. shaq played his part, it was just a matter of whether or not his teammates would step up to the occasion, which they didn't.

Why are you making up more excuses? First you claim that Shaq had to share the ball with Jones, Van Exel, and Campbell, which is why his points were low. Now when given evidence that these guys didn't put up many points at all, and it was Shaq who didn't play well, you switch the topic to wins. Give me a break.

thank you. more contributers = more victories

Read above.

wrong. other than the lakers/jazz series and the rockets/jazz series, shaq averaged 33 points and 9.3 rebounds, and olajuwon 20.7 points and 11.8 rebounds

Well, they went up against different teams and Hakeem played more games than Shaq. Which is why I said to look at how they did when matched up against the exact same competition. Hakeem clearly outplayed Shaq.

Also, as you keep saying that Shaq's numbers were better than Hakeem during the regular season, which makes Shaq better than Hakeem. Then by this logic, David Robinson was a better center than Hakeem in 1995 which was clearly not the case. Besides, as I've said before, even Shaq said that Hakeem was better than him that season and yet you claim otherwise. I hate to break it to you but Shaq knows his game a little bit better than you do. Please accept the reality and quit making a fool of yourself.

[Shep]

Why are you making up more excuses?

Great players also know when to step aside, if their teammates are in the zone. Even MJ did so if Pippen or Kukoc were on fire.

go to the dictionary. study the word contradict. come back here, then we can both laugh at how much of a retard you are making yourself look like.

First you claim that Shaq had to share the ball with Jones, Van Exel, and Campbell, which is why his points were low.

the only reason i said this is because you said that drexler, barkely averaged this and that bla bla bla.

Now when given evidence that these guys didn't put up many points at all, and it was Shaq who didn't play well, you switch the topic to wins

shaq did play well, infact, shaq probably played as well in the playoffs as olajuwon played during the season

Well, they went up against different teams and Hakeem played more games than Shaq

lets talk about excuses...

Then by this logic, David Robinson was a better center than Hakeem in 1995 which was clearly not the case

sorry, i cannot comment on this statement as i have not assessed that particular season.

[Robby]

go to the dictionary. study the word contradict. come back here, then we can both laugh at how much of a retard you are making yourself look like.

What are you talking about? Hakeem averaged close to 30 ppg through the first five games and then he has one sub-par game where his teammates are playing well, and you start writing him off.

the only reason i said this is because you said that drexler, barkely averaged this and that bla bla bla.

Are you forgetting what you wrote? You said that Shaq's numbers were lower than Hakeem's because he had to share the ball with Van Exel, Jones, and Campbell. Obviously, looking at their numbers, that is not the case because Hakeem's supporting cast had more ppg and yet he still outscored Shaq by quite a bit.

shaq did play well, infact, shaq probably played as well in the playoffs as olajuwon played during the season

Again, their competition was different which is why they had differeing stats. Which is why I suggested that we look at the same competition, a suggestion you fail to comprehend.

sorry, i cannot comment on this statement as i have not assessed that particular season.

Oh, but I thought your knowledge of NBA history was far superior to mine. It seems clear to me now that you're just another child who thinks he knows it all (like old school fool) but infact your knowledge of NBA history is quite limited, which is why your responses to my posts are just childish attacks since you are clearly wrong and cannot come up with a proper rebuttal. Any you have yet to come up with an adequate response to my post in which Shaq himself admits that Hakeem is better than him. So, I'd say you're the insecure child, who seems to be mentally challeneged or emotionally obsessed with Shaq.

[Jackal]

So, I'd say you're the insecure child, who seems to be mentally challeneged or emotionally obsessed with Shaq.

[EGarrett]

Carry on...

[Robby]

Thank You!

[Filip]