Official Milwaukee Bucks Thread

[maceo24]

Whether its 20 minutes or 12 minutes, any amount of time that he hasnt earned through hard work is bullshit. That is my biggest problem, I understand it is a communist country and their policies are different then ours. But the NBA is an American based laegue is it not? Our country, our league, OUR RULES. Period. If countries that want to send their players here can't be cool with that, then I quite honestly I dont want a player from that country playing here. I dont give a damn if Yi shoots 80 percent from the parking lot and jumps high enough to catch alley-oops with his penis. NO ONE is bigger than the system, and that's what is happening here.

[J@3]

if he's going to be such a winer about a minute or two from his playing time then he doesn't deserve to be out there.

That's pretty much my view on the whole thing. Was he seriously going to go back to playing club ball in China purely because he didn't get the team his people were hoping for? I think people should be grateful to be picked by an NBA team in the first place, dictating terms like that, or trying to, isn't cool. Then again I'd say his management and such had more to do with it than Yi himself.

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you should understand why Yi couldn't have done anything more than he did

What did he do?

[Fresh8]

What did he do?

Nothing. Because there was nothing he could have done. If he had even dared to do anything, he would have been banished from the place that he's called home for his whole life. To him, I think it's something that he wouldn't have wanted to happen.

[nylia]

well. all these comments about how Yi should be grateful that he got drafted...

Listen, this guy's a baller no matter what you guys say. This is WHY he got drafted, not because he begged the NBA to draft him. It's not like he got drafted 60th that he should be grateful. Obviously we are not even at his level of play that's why most would say, he's ungrateful etc etc. NBA teams draft players for a reason, not because they feel compassion towards the player.

Just like if you were a good salesman/programmer/etc, you don't accept a job just because they want to hire you... you'll have choices if you're THAT good. Not everyone wants to work for Microsoft

I hope this is making sense, but I know I'll get flamed anyways. Booyah Let's get it on!

[shadowgrin]

The NBA didn't beg him to come over either.

Players are required to apply for the draft. If you apply for the draft it means that you want to play in the NBA and the NBA did not beg you to apply. Players have the option to apply or rescind their application to the draft.

Yi applied for the draft.
It means that he wanted to play in the NBA.
If he wants to play in the NBA, then he should abide by the rules and that included drafting rules.
No matter how good Yi is, point is that he applied to the NBA by the draft so he should follow what is necessary since he's the one who wants to be accepted by the league.

There, I repeated my point 3 times.

[J@3]

well. all these comments about how Yi should be grateful that he got drafted...

Listen, this guy's a baller no matter what you guys say.

And the NBA is full of guys as talented and more than him. The league doesn't NEED Yi, Yi needs the league.

This is WHY he got drafted, not because he begged the NBA to draft him. It's not like he got drafted 60th that he should be grateful.

Every single player in the NBA should be grateful. It has nothing to do with their level of skill or where they were drafted, they are playing in the best and most competitive basketball league in the World while being paid millions to do so.

Just like if you were a good salesman/programmer/etc, you don't accept a job just because they want to hire you... you'll have choices if you're THAT good. Not everyone wants to work for Microsoft

That logic is... yeah.

[nylia]

Well, it doesn't mean you applied for a job, you 100% want to be there. I mean I've applied to jobs myself, and during the interview process, I found out more about the company, career path and the job that I will be doing, and eventually left the interviews not wanting to work for that company anymore.

I'm not saying this applies to everyone.
I'm just saying look at the other side of things...

oh. sorry for the truth, but the league needs Yi, just like the league needs anyone good not from the US. (unless NBA wants to be just in N.America)

[J@3]

Well, it doesn't mean you applied for a job, you 100% want to be there. I mean I've applied to jobs myself, and during the interview process, I found out more about the company, career path and the job that I will be doing, and eventually left the interviews not wanting to work for that company anymore.

Yes but was that job at the biggest, best, most globally renowned company on the planet?

oh. sorry for the truth, but the league needs Yi, just like the league needs anyone good not from the US.

It doesn't need him. It's lasted this long without him, I'm fairly sure it would last if he wasn't drafted. The international game is always going to expand, Asia is so far behind Europe/South America that it isn't funny. For every Yi there's 10 European or South American guys who'll be picked and be successful.

[nylia]

It doesn't need him. It's lasted this long without him, I'm fairly sure it would last if he wasn't drafted. The international game is always going to expand, Asia is so far behind Europe/South America that it isn't funny. For every Yi there's 10 European or South American guys who'll be picked and be successful.

I know they are... but China is like a gold mine... thats the only reason why they're even talking to Yi.

[cyanide]

nylia: I get what you're saying about the politics and marketing between China and the NBA, but if we're talking about Yi as a player vs. Yi as a commodity, you just missed your mark. Yi could be a shitty ass player and might not even reach Mengke Bateer-like status. Yi is just a commodity to draw more Asian viewers to the NBA which translates to more money between the NBA and China. China wants more money by having Yi in a big market team, but because they've been all a bunch of wads, to save face, they're gonna have to accept Milwaukee or risk strained relations.

Now, aside from the commodity talk, we're not sure if Yi has control to where he wants to be in, but if he did have say in not wanting to play for Milwaukee, then he's an ungrateful bastard. Either he plays in the NBA, or he plays in China.

[nylia]

Yi is just a commodity to draw more Asian viewers to the NBA which translates to more money between the NBA and China.

actually, this is what I was getting at. (not good at explaining stuff) hehe

[shadowgrin]

Commodity? The NBA doesn't even need Yi that badly...

The reason why the Bucks leadership haven't been to China before now is because David Stern told them not to go. He wanted to force China/Yi's hand first.

David Stern is the 'head' of the NBA. If the boss of the company doesn't yield that easily to Yi and his handlers, that says a lot about how the NBA "needs" Yi as a commodity. The NBA still has Yao.
Majority of the supposed commodity the NBA is set to earn from the Chinese market is lost due to piracy.

Well, it doesn't mean you applied for a job, you 100% want to be there. I mean I've applied to jobs myself, and during the interview process, I found out more about the company, career path and the job that I will be doing, and eventually left the interviews not wanting to work for that company anymore.

Bullshite, you can't use that reasoning about the Yi situation...

Players have the option to apply or rescind their application to the draft.

Yi and his handlers knew the risk of entering he draft. Why do you think they would tell everyone that they want Yi in a team with a big Chinese population, because they know that small-market teams like Milwaukee aren't "beneficial" for Yi. They knew what to expect in a draft and yet they still continued to go with it. They have nowhere else to go to but the NBA.

Yi needs the NBA more than the NBA needs Yi.

[nylia]

Yi needs the NBA more than the NBA needs Yi.

I guess that's your opinion. Unfortunately, its different from the Bucks/Kohl (Well at least, he needs Yi to get his team more exposure)

[shadowgrin]

But you just said some posts ago...

the league needs Yi, just like the league needs anyone good not from the US

You even quoted a post...

Yi is just a commodity to draw more Asian viewers to the NBA which translates to more money between the NBA and China.

actually, this is what I was getting at. (not good at explaining stuff) hehe

Milwaukee isn't the entire NBA.

No, I won't accept that "not good at explaining stuff hehe" excuse. If you're good enough to participate in a discussion in NBA Talk then you're good enough to know the difference between the NBA and an NBA team.

See, I even managed to insert a compliment for you. Cool beans for me. I also manage to compliment myself. Yay. More cool beans all around.

[nylia]

yes ok.

[Sauru]

wtf? the nba in no way needs yi at all. yi, and china, need the nba far more. they need yi to come over here and get lots of playing time and play at the top of the league so the nba teams will be more willing to draft more chinese players. if yi walked away from the nba right now it would not matter to anyone aside from the bucks since they would have wasted a pick on him

[Its_asdf]

Milwaukee isn't the entire NBA.

No, I won't accept that "not good at explaining stuff hehe" excuse. If you're good enough to participate in a discussion in NBA Talk then you're good enough to know the difference between the NBA and an NBA team.

See, I even managed to insert a compliment for you. Cool beans for me. I also manage to compliment myself. Yay. More cool beans all around.

Wow Shadow/Kool, way to hurt the guys' feelings.

I hope those cool beans are low calorie though. I'm getting kind of fat.

I just hope Yi doesn't turn out to be a bust, otherwise all of this commotion that he's causing won't even be worth the trouble and him and Chinese basketball will have taken an even bigger hit.

I wonder if Bogut, Charlie V, Yi could be together on a potential lineup that works for the Bucks. That would be a monstrous frontcourt, although I'm not sure if Yi's quick enough to guard 3s.

[[Q]]

well Yi, Charlie V, and Bobby (simmons) will fight for the starting 2 spots at forward. I tihnk a possible scenario is to start Charlie V & Yi (to appease the chinese) and then sub in Simmons after a few minutes and later get Yi in for Villanueva and that will get a good rotation going.

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I think what nylia is missing is that no matter who you are, how much money your country can bring in, how many potential viewrs you can bring, etc you can not dictate where you go if you enter the draft.

It's plain and simple, what Yi and his people did was wrong, seflish and childish - and it didn't get him anywhere.

[Jing]

Except a multi-year contract with the Bucks and millions of dollars, plus a possible starting spot.

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Which he would of got anyway if he did what every other player in the draft did and accepted who drafted him.

[shadowgrin]

Wow Shadow/Kool, way to hurt the guys' feelings.

I hope those cool beans are low calorie though. I'm getting kind of fat.

It's a gift, I guess.

Don't touch the beans if you don't want to Zoidberg. Quit complaining fatty.

[maceo24]

oh. sorry for the truth, but the league needs Yi, just like the league needs anyone good not from the US. (unless NBA wants to be just in N.America)

Wrong. The league NEEDS no-one. That is the fundamental problem here. Youre putting the power in the hands of individuals instead of in the governing body.

That is the reason we have so many selfish players in the league right now, from whatever country. All these motherfuckers come in thinking "they run this shit". Talent alone should not get you to the league. This is the primary explanation for the moral deterioration of american sports.

Don't get me wrong, I love the diversity of the NBA now. But a primadonna in any language from any country is just as detrimental. I wont venture to call Yi a primadonna now, but he has earned the title of Drama Queen to me, whether hes earned it or not. To say he is needed by the NBA is a laugher when there are 40,000 other people on this planet that are good enough to compete at the NBA level. Please dont make the mistake of believing that the Draft holds America's BEST players...

There's a guy playing in a Milwaukee community park league right now that would eat Yi alive. Not sayingtake him just because he's american, but I doubt we'd have had the same problem if the Bucks had signed him.

We can substitute Milwaukee for any major city you like, as well.

edit - @ Qballer - Why the should we be worried about appeasing the chinese? If this guy aint good enough to start then bench his ass. The player that gives me the best chance to win a game is the player that will get the minutes. This should not, and should never have been, about appeasing them.

[-Young Buck-]

Bell's agent, Mark Bartelstein, said Thursday that Bell is seriously considering offers from several European teams and one unnamed National Basketball Association team.

Damn i hope we sign him, he is a big part of our team.