Official Finals Thread: Heat Vs Mavs

[Matt]

funny thing how they call Terry for a travel for shuffling his feet, but never call wade when he jumps out, receives to ball and takes 3 steps, or when he shuffles his feet to get a shot off.

Too bad game was decided on a call that shouldn't have been made. Refs never make the call....but....ah well.

[cyanide]

the reason that wasn't called backcourt was that wade, although he caught it on his side, he didn't have full/positive possession until he landed on the other side.

Bingo.

And as for Avery's postgame comments, about 17 people commented, "did you see it?!" but nobody said what Avery said. For those who missed it, can anyone maybe make a short transcript of what was being exchanged? Please. Thank you.

[J@3]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... als/060619

Video of it there.

[joejam999]

This is a repeat of the 98 finals and the Mavs are the Jazz. Blown/Crappy calls. they didnt call backcourt on Wade. Then he pushes Terry down no call. Then the foul call on the layup wich didnt look to much like foul.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... als/060619

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH1JFPGmSP4

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Damn, I didn't really think it was backcourt at first but after looking at that video it was easily back court. He had one foot in the front court then took that same foot to hop back into the backcourt and he did have possession of the ball when he was in the frontcourt. So really bad call by the refs. I'm disappointed that games have are that way in the NBA. That's why NBA refs are some of the worse refs in professional sports now.

[.Dee.]

OMG! wtf is that how can you miss that type of shyt, im so furious
because that couldve been Dallas possesion and a chance to get
a 2, and there not quick to call that backcourt but when Josh Howard
calls a timeout but Avery waives it off they hop on it real quick...And
then Daimpier fell when D.Wade dribbled in the corner of the court
and they didnt say nothing and then as wade was driving up the lane
he pushed off howard. now that is really f'd up, but thats how
low heaters go, they try every cheat to get ahead.

[eisfeld]

The Article on ESPN is really the most ridiculous and annoying one I've read recently. Blaming the referee, blaming David Stern (Suspending Stackhouse as an act of power) etc...

The Mavs lost, thats the fact, and there's no chance of changing it. Fact is, they have no real answer for Wade, they draw a lot of fouls, Dirk is not playing his best ball during the last few games. That's what lost them the last three games, not a referee, or David Stern, or an uncalled backcourt violation or a foul. It was either missed clutch shots and free-throws. So don't blame everyone else for losing the game, wrong decisions are common in pro-sports or would you say a referee is an allmighty observer who is able to view every action from every possible angle?

It's just unfortunate. The Heat were as lucky as the Mavs were in Game 7 of the Western Conference Finals.

just my two cents

[Jeffx]

Wade Getting the Jordan Treatment?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... 0909c.html

[.Dee.]

Good article i didnt know about that, when wade
went for the 1.9 layup no body fouled him, heres a
better look of his backcourt violation, Ref's Mistake
Look at wades left foot which let him jump.

[air gordon]

What is the Chris Webber moment??
I was not into NBA when the Sac Kings were in the Finals.
And this is also the first time I have seen Shaq play so many minutes.
I know his career high is more but I have never witnessed it.
Look at these photos http://www.nba.com/finals2006/20060618/060618_11.html
http://www.nba.com/finals2006/20060618/060618_22.html
Makes Wade look like God and Shaq looked like he died and his soul is leaving.

Webber called a nonexisting timeout in the last moments of a championship game in college (it was his sophomore year, I think), which resulted in a game winning free throw by the other team. Fab Five, baby.

actually Michigan was down by 2 when the "timeout" was taken


good game 5. damnit i lost $50. Wade's my hero

[havasufalls]

That was not a backcourt violation. Wade caught the ball in mid air and landed in the backcourt bottom line. He was fouled by dirk and harris. STOP blamin the refs. The refs didnt miss the clutch free throws, the refs didnt have their hands on wade on the final play for the heat, the refs didnt call a timeout not once but twice, and the refs didnt lose the game the mavs did.

[_marsal]

You're right on everything except backcourt violation. It's the same thing if someone would pass you the ball while you're jumping from out of bounds (and you received the ball in mid-air and not inbounds). It would be called as a violation. Same thing happened here. He jumped off from one halfcourt and received the ball before touching the other halfcourt. So the heat got away from it there. But i still don't like that the Heat are getting no credit for the win

[Unrestrict3D]

It looks like Dallas finally got the short-end of the stick- they had it coming. Avery's Dallas Maverick team wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their luck in the second round versus San Antonio. Duncan was clearly fouled as the buzzer sounded and there was no whistle (Duncan sinks a free throw and they're headed to the conference finals). Also, remember that game where Dallas had 50+ free throws with all kinds of terrible calls earlier in that Spurs series?

Miami in six.

[Axel]

I don't know how anyone can really blame the refs on this call. Hell, nobody can even determine for sure if it was a backcourt violation. After watching the video, he caught the ball in midair... does that consititute a backcourt violation? Or does he have to have a foot in the front court, and then put the other in the backcourt after that? I sure don't know the answer, and to actually say the game is fixed on such an iffy call is ludicrous. As for the foul... that was blatant. Two fouls, two fouls which are frequently called. Hand to the back is always called, as is hitting any part of the shooting hand. Give me a break. Players decide the outcome? Yeah, I could see that IF it were something that could go either way like a block/charge call, but not something that is evident from video tape and pictures.

[GloveGuy]

[GloveGuy]

The clincher.

[sucram]

When Wade did catch the ball, I kinda heard the crowd OOO'ing and AWW'ing like even they knew it was a backcourt violation so even some the Heat fans did.

I dont think they knew for sure it was a back court violation as it's wasn't, but like everyone i think they were all like 'What The Fuck!?!?'. It looked really weird, but no back court. I'm sure Wade knew what he was doing.

[mvpshaq32]

Jesus Christ. Can everyone just drop this controversy.
It's not like David Stern will come here into this forum, read every single dam comment and change the result of Game 5.
And it was NOT a backcourt violation. Wade caught the ball in mid-air and landed in the back-court. All of you Mavs fans/Heat haters can continue whining but your opinions will not be noted.
This series has not been a friendly one. With the arguements over Ref. calls and all this other crap, there might a bit more suspensions before a champion is crowned. Let's cut the crap and may the best team win.

[sucram]

mvp, we're discussing it all here buddy, like it or lump it.

[mvpshaq32]

O well, I might as well join in this then

[sucram]

personally feel their was no backcourt violation. He was in the air before he caught the ball. Either way, it's a ruling that could use checking. Again, there was no question he caught the ball in the air, but perhaps the ruling may or may not allow that. As for the foul, Their wasn't much in it, but for Dirk to lay a hand on the back is deffinitly not a safe way to try prevent a foul. I'd say 90% of the time a hand is layed on the back a foul would be called. After looking at video's their wasn't really any 'force' applied by Dirk, but just like any other game, the ref's wern't in a position to see it over and over on tapes. It was a 'then and there' kind of thing.

The same could be said about the wrist foul. None the less, a 'spectacular' effort from Wade and Dirk throughout the 4th and OT, they were making some seriously pressured shots. hopefully Miami can wrap it up while Dallas are having their anger fits. I like dirk, and feel for Howard, but i have nothing but hate for Avery and Cuban. Ofcourse that isn't to say Avery is a good coach, he done damn well this year to get them to the finals. As for Cuban, well i think he is quite the douche bag

I'm expecting the heat to close out the series in game 6. It's so good to see GP clicking on all cylinder's, just over a week ago i was questioning his inability to hit a long range jumper. He has really made me look quite the fool. How wrapped will he and Alonzo be if they can win it this year, i'm pretty sure GP is along the top 5 in history to have played the most playoff games without winning the ring. Wade has really come into his own world. Once the Heat can close out this, there will be no question to who will take home the finals MVP trophy. Shaq started off poor, but through games 4 and 5 has also contributed well. If Shaq and Wade can put up a combination of 60 points as they did in game 5, they should be able to get a W in dallas. Another good factor going into Tuesday's game is Antoine played rather average in 5, he will be determined to play well. I'm also expecting Josh Howard to come and play in 6, i really felt for him with that whole 'time out' ordeal.

TIME TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS MIAMI!

[mvpshaq32]

I don't think it is. Mark Cuban has one of the biggest tempers ever. Avery Johnson gets pissed but he takes it out that makes another person look like a retard(The reporter incident). I'm surprised neither has been fined yet but Dirk was fined $5,000 for kicking the basketball into the stands. Mark Cuban had to be escorted away by security and Dirk kicked everything he could on his way to the locker room. Wade drove to the basket and fell. Of course there was some force applied to him. It's not like Dallas would just let Wade get the lay-up. All of you focus on this call because it determined the result. I highly disagree with some of these offensive fouls that Devin Harris draws.
This Picture from NBA.com http://www.nba.com/finals2006/20060618/060618_3.html
shows Devin Harris did not foul Wade from this angle but i don't know what Nowitzki is touching.......

[havasufalls]

I don't think it is. Mark Cuban has one of the biggest tempers ever. Avery Johnson gets pissed but he takes it out that makes another person look like a retard(The reporter incident). I'm surprised neither has been fined yet but Dirk was fined $5,000 for kicking the basketball into the stands. Mark Cuban had to be escorted away by security and Dirk kicked everything he could on his way to the locker room. Wade drove to the basket and fell. Of course there was some force applied to him. It's not like Dallas would just let Wade get the lay-up. All of you focus on this call because it determined the result. I highly disagree with some of these offensive fouls that Devin Harris draws.
This Picture of NBA.com shows Devin Harris did not foul Wade from this angle but i don't know what Nowitzki is touching.......

I agree about the offensive fouls harris draws there was one where wade's hand nipped him and he fell back like he had been shot and the refs awarded harris with the call.

[mvpshaq32]

I don't think it is. Mark Cuban has one of the biggest tempers ever. Avery Johnson gets pissed but he takes it out that makes another person look like a retard(The reporter incident). I'm surprised neither has been fined yet but Dirk was fined $5,000 for kicking the basketball into the stands. Mark Cuban had to be escorted away by security and Dirk kicked everything he could on his way to the locker room. Wade drove to the basket and fell. Of course there was some force applied to him. It's not like Dallas would just let Wade get the lay-up. All of you focus on this call because it determined the result. I highly disagree with some of these offensive fouls that Devin Harris draws.
This Picture of NBA.com shows Devin Harris did not foul Wade from this angle but i don't know what Nowitzki is touching.......

I agree about the offensive fouls harris draws there was one where wade's hand nipped him and he fell back like he had been shot and the refs awarded harris with the call.

thank you. Devin Harris is pretty light though. 185 pounds for a 6'3" person. Give Harris a little poke and he falls over with a giggle. He would be a Tayshaun Prince Jr. but he isn't as bony.

[magius]

we hear this every year, every series from the opposing teams fans. We hear all these stupid excuses again and again when people are too proud to admit that their team lost. Shut the fuck up. Why did miami get more free throws? simple, shaq and wade. Miami is a team that attacks in the paint vs dallas which is a jumpshooting team. Shaq alone got miami to the limit pretty early every quarter, not to mention dallas's big - who would usually help against wade - is slow because they don't want the lob to shaq. So either the big is slow getting there and that leads to a foul, or a different help defender is slow reacting - which leads to a foul. Don't point to the fucking foul count, you have to play the game a certain way to get fouls. Thats like saying "why doesn't that bum who does nothing all day earn any money?" You want a pretty game where both teams get 20 free throws each? Then what the hell is the point of fouls? just take away fouls and give each team 20 points to begin with.

It looks like Dallas finally got the short-end of the stick- they had it coming. Avery's Dallas Maverick team wouldn't be here if it wasn't for their luck in the second round versus San Antonio. Duncan was clearly fouled as the buzzer sounded and there was no whistle (Duncan sinks a free throw and they're headed to the conference finals). Also, remember that game where Dallas had 50+ free throws with all kinds of terrible calls earlier in that Spurs series?

This hits it right on the head. Don't give me this shit double standard.... because you know what? Then I can say if it weren't for those same douchebag refs dallas wouldn't even be playing right the fuck now.

Whine, whine, whine, whine. No team that whines this much deserves to be a champion. All they do is make excuses. Howard even got pissed off at a reporter when all he did was show him something he could not answer - classic case of someone who knows he's wrong and doesn't want to admit it. "Oh all I did was make a t motion with my hands." Idiot. The foul on wade was as legit as any of the late 4th quarter calls by miami on dallas. The over and back I can't say, but I'd trust that the refs were on it rather than make stupid statements. I wonder if they made a statement.

Miami in 6. Dallas as a champion would be pathetic at this point; heart of a cornered squirrel.