Official Finals Thread: Heat Vs Mavs

Yes..."jordanesque" just cause he's scoring alot of points. Heaven knows jordan is the only man in nba history to do this...so by all means...he's the next jordan.

I don't believe that's the actual root to the comparison. It's Wade's perseverence, will to win, and desire to put the Heat on his back, along with his ability to do so, which leads to the Jordan comparison.

u need to tell tht to Gedas.....

I still go with Dallas in 6. Today something was wrong with the Mavs, they lost not because of the Heat performance, but because of their own performance. They missed a loud of open shots, it was just pathetic really. I still hate that one-on-one play that Heat prefers, I like the teamwork by Dallas, I laugh at the Jordan comparision. Wade is nothing more than Francis no. 2, just younger, maybe more explosive on offense. Anyways, I bet there's something going on at the Mavs, I saw (I think) Dirk arguing with Johnson a few times, also with other players. The best Miami can do is get game 5 and then lose the next two games in Dallas. They'll defenetely won't win there.
Wade=Francis

Francis can barely get it done in the regular season and barely can find a team. Wade is gettin it done on the highest of stages and you say he is the equivalent of Francis? Come on at least compare him to someone with some success.

I'm comparing playing styles. And I said that Wade is more explosive on offense (maybe more egoistic? ). And Francis stats ain't much worse than Wades, he even got more rebounds and assists (!) .
Anyways, Mavs in 6.

If we go by stats the mavs are the most selfish team in the league. They were ranked last in assist per game this year as a team so if we dwell on stats the mavs are full of dwyane wades

Yes..."jordanesque" just cause he's scoring alot of points. Heaven knows jordan is the only man in nba history to do this...so by all means...he's the next jordan.

I don't believe that's the actual root to the comparison. It's Wade's perseverence, will to win, and desire to put the Heat on his back, along with his ability to do so, which leads to the Jordan comparison.

u need to tell tht to Gedas.....

I still go with Dallas in 6. Today something was wrong with the Mavs, they lost not because of the Heat performance, but because of their own performance. They missed a loud of open shots, it was just pathetic really. I still hate that one-on-one play that Heat prefers, I like the teamwork by Dallas, I laugh at the Jordan comparision. Wade is nothing more than Francis no. 2, just younger, maybe more explosive on offense. Anyways, I bet there's something going on at the Mavs, I saw (I think) Dirk arguing with Johnson a few times, also with other players. The best Miami can do is get game 5 and then lose the next two games in Dallas. They'll defenetely won't win there.
Wade=Francis

Francis can barely get it done in the regular season and barely can find a team. Wade is gettin it done on the highest of stages and you say he is the equivalent of Francis? Come on at least compare him to someone with some success.

I'm comparing playing styles. And I said that Wade is more explosive on offense (maybe more egoistic? ). And Francis stats ain't much worse than Wades, he even got more rebounds and assists (!) .
Anyways, Mavs in 6.

If we go by stats the mavs are the most selfish team in the league. They were ranked last in assist per game this year as a team so if we dwell on stats the mavs are full of dwyane wades

It's not in the assists, in in the EXECUTION.

Wade doesn't equal Francis, IMO. But he doesn't equal Jordan lol. Wade is a "combo guard with something special" (quote from some guy who says Wade's a swingman).

It's not in the assists, in in the EXECUTION.

So winning games which is wat wade has been doing is wrong because he hasnt been excuting? So the fact that his coach even told him in game 3 and him sure in game 4 get the ball in his hands its wrong for him to score. U have to admit scoring on the mavs for him is beginning to look too easy but according to you he should stop and do wat the mavs want him to do and pass the ball to his teammates and make them beat the mavs. I mean the mavs would love it if shaq and wade didnt shoot the ball and forced the rest of the players to beat them. I think its up to the mavs to force wade and shaq to defer to their teammates cause one on one neither can be stopped so y make it easy on the mavs.

It's not in the assists, in in the EXECUTION.

So winning games which is wat wade has been doing is wrong because he hasnt been excuting? So the fact that his coach even told him in game 3 and him sure in game 4 get the ball in his hands its wrong for him to score. U have to admit scoring on the mavs for him is beginning to look too easy but according to you he should stop and do wat the mavs want him to do and pass the ball to his teammates and make them beat the mavs. I mean the mavs would love it if shaq and wade didnt shoot the ball and forced the rest of the players to beat them. I think its up to the mavs to force wade and shaq to defer to their teammates cause one on one neither can be stopped so y make it easy on the mavs.

I'm not saying that I want them to do it, I'm saying that I HATE that kind of basketball. I like smart execution, running plays and team basketball. That's why I always prefer European basketball. I am not a fan of the Mavs, but I'm defenetely not for the Heat. Mavs play more like a team (but in no way good enough to be considered a "great team"). And I think if Wade would share the ball more, it would defenetely not be worse, probably better. So this is my opinion.

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maybe u should just stop talking Gedas.
u are saying wade is egotistic because of his technical foul.
didnt howard get 1 today too??
hmm i guess he is egotistic now too. yes josh howard is the most egotistic person ever.
u say wade cannot execute?? lol this totally makes me laugh
wade can shoot from almost anywhere on the court. he is even getting comfortable at his 3's. he can assist but he needs to take the game in his hands and Miami will win the championships with this kind of play.

I still go with Dallas in 6. Today something was wrong with the Mavs, they lost not because of the Heat performance, but because of their own performance. They missed a loud of open shots, it was just pathetic really. I still hate that one-on-one play that Heat prefers, I like the teamwork by Dallas, I laugh at the Jordan comparision. Wade is nothing more than Francis no. 2, just younger, maybe more explosive on offense. Anyways, I bet there's something going on at the Mavs, I saw (I think) Dirk arguing with Johnson a few times, also with other players. The best Miami can do is get game 5 and then lose the next two games in Dallas. They'll defenetely won't win there.
Wade=Francis

Oh shut the fuck up. One thing I can't stand is a refusal to give credit to the winning team. The Heat were just clicking on all aspects for about 40 minutes of today's game. They won because they were just the better team tonight. Maybe that will be different next game, but the fact is, it's back to 0. The next game is in Miami again, which I'm taking the Heat in.

No one cares if you hate the Heat's style. It works. The object of the game of basketball is to outscore your opponent. You use the weapons you have. Dwayne Wade is one of the great one-on-one players of this era, and Shaq dominates when isolated.

Wade = Francis? Wow. Last time I checked, Francis plays cancer to ever team he's on. Wade beats him in just about ever category important for a slashing guard. How dare you. You couldn't have embarassed yourself anymore than you just did.

It's not in the assists, in in the EXECUTION.

So winning games which is wat wade has been doing is wrong because he hasnt been excuting? So the fact that his coach even told him in game 3 and him sure in game 4 get the ball in his hands its wrong for him to score. U have to admit scoring on the mavs for him is beginning to look too easy but according to you he should stop and do wat the mavs want him to do and pass the ball to his teammates and make them beat the mavs. I mean the mavs would love it if shaq and wade didnt shoot the ball and forced the rest of the players to beat them. I think its up to the mavs to force wade and shaq to defer to their teammates cause one on one neither can be stopped so y make it easy on the mavs.

I'm not saying that I want them to do it, I'm saying that I HATE that kind of basketball. I like smart execution, running plays and team basketball. That's why I always prefer European basketball. I am not a fan of the Mavs, but I'm defenetely not for the Heat. Mavs play more like a team (but in no way good enough to be considered a "great team"). And dddddI think if Wade would share the ball more, it would defenetely not be worse, probably better. So this is my opinion.

I can respect that since you said you generally yourself dont like one on one play and thats totally different than jus dissin Wade completely. I myself hated Malone and Stockton and that damn pick and roll every play but I still respected them and consider them 2 of the greatest of all-time. Because I dont like their style I wouldnt compare them to players that jus dont have any business being compared to them.

It may not have had the drama of Game 3 but the Heat put on a show and the series is tied up as a result, in all still a fun game to watch. Some of the pressure is off the Heat with them playing at such a high level and having brought the Finals to the 2-2 tie for what is essentially a best of three to close out the series, but I'd say they must win the pivotal Game 5 to have a good shot at winning it all. I do think they are capable of clinching on the road be it in Game 6 or 7 but I don't like their chances of winning two straight.

As far as the Mavericks are concerned, they obviously want to head home up 3-2 but they have a much better shot at rebounding from 2-3 once the series goes back to Dallas. I don't want to place too much stock in Games 1 and 2 because past matchups are never truly a guarantee, nor do I want to downplay how well Miami is playing, but I think they need to have the two chances to put the Mavs away in Dallas rather than needing both wins. It goes without saying the team up 3-2 is in better position but I like the Mavs' chances of winning both games at home more than the Heat's chances of winning the final two to close out the series.

i say the series goes 2-2-1-1-1

Am I the only getting tired of reading all of the crap Gedas spits out?

Strong game by Miami last night and Posey had a very nice game - one of a few that he has had throughout the playoffs.

Nobody takes anyone seriously who compared Wade to Mike James or Francis simply becuase they dont like the player.

All I have to say is that Terry dunked off of shaq's thigh. I didn't notice it while watching the game but on sportscenter they clearly pointed it out.

Wade is the main reason why miami is in the finals

I don't have much to add to this conversation right now...except:Gedas is right about comparing wade to jordan at this point. Larry bird and magic johnson all had will and desire to win...that wasn't something native to jordan. Other than that...he's a retard.

I'm not in favour of comparing players, but the difference between comparing wade to jordan and wade to magic/bird/isiah is that wade's game is so similar to jordan's, so i can see why people think that. But wade is wade, jordan is the best ever. Lets just enjoy number 3.

I agree with Matthew. Of course we can't compare MJ and Wade statistic&achievements-wise, but some moves that Wade does (especcially his three point plays) really bring back memories of Air. Plus they both didn't have good outside shot when they came into the league but developed that in time (Wade's starting to hit 3 pointers, watch out), they both like to attack the rim. And we can probably expect wade to work on his defense (especially one-on-one, 'cause his team defense is great). So let's see how far can Wade's game go without hating

maybe u should just stop talking Gedas.
u are saying wade is egotistic because of his technical foul.
didnt howard get 1 today too??
hmm i guess he is egotistic now too. yes josh howard is the most egotistic person ever.
u say wade cannot execute?? lol this totally makes me laugh
wade can shoot from almost anywhere on the court. he is even getting comfortable at his 3's. he can assist but he needs to take the game in his hands and Miami will win the championships with this kind of play.

Did I say anything about a technical foul? know what execution is? Sheesh, you obviously know basketball.
What does execution have to do with Wade having the ability to shoot from anywhere on the court? And about the championship. And they have very little chance of winning in Dallas. That's a fact.
I still didn't get the last post by you.

I still go with Dallas in 6. Today something was wrong with the Mavs, they lost not because of the Heat performance, but because of their own performance. They missed a loud of open shots, it was just pathetic really. I still hate that one-on-one play that Heat prefers, I like the teamwork by Dallas, I laugh at the Jordan comparision. Wade is nothing more than Francis no. 2, just younger, maybe more explosive on offense. Anyways, I bet there's something going on at the Mavs, I saw (I think) Dirk arguing with Johnson a few times, also with other players. The best Miami can do is get game 5 and then lose the next two games in Dallas. They'll defenetely won't win there.
Wade=Francis

Oh shut the fuck up. One thing I can't stand is a refusal to give credit to the winning team. The Heat were just clicking on all aspects for about 40 minutes of today's game. They won because they were just the better team tonight. Maybe that will be different next game, but the fact is, it's back to 0. The next game is in Miami again, which I'm taking the Heat in.

No one cares if you hate the Heat's style. It works. The object of the game of basketball is to outscore your opponent. You use the weapons you have. Dwayne Wade is one of the great one-on-one players of this era, and Shaq dominates when isolated.

Wade = Francis? Wow. Last time I checked, Francis plays cancer to ever team he's on. Wade beats him in just about ever category important for a slashing guard. How dare you. You couldn't have embarassed yourself anymore than you just did.

Can you be more offensive, please?
Do you honestly think that Miami won because of their performance? Or was your focus all on "Air Wades" ( ) performance. The Maverics played pathetic, and by no way taking credit from the Heat (the wining team has to get credit), I still think that if Dallas would have played how they can (don't give me that bullshit about Heat defense, their defense is weak), I think they would have won. THIS IS MY OPINION, YOU WON'T CHANGE IT. I DON'T LIKE THAT STYLE, IT'S SO PRIMITIVE AND SHOUDN'T BE IN PRO BASKETBALL. THEY COULD ACHIEVE MORE WITH TEAMWORK, THAT'S A FACT.

Can you explain to me what forums are for? Maybe you shoudn't write on the forums, because, no one probably cares that you like the Heat playing style either. That was just a stupid thing to bring out by you.

And about Francis, like I said, I FIND THEIR STYLE VERY SIMMILAR. And AS I SAID ALREADY, Wade is more explosive on offense. They both like to and have the ability to get to the rim.
So you are the one who should shut up. (hint: read previous posts and don't reply unless you won't find the answers to your questons, I'm done repeating myself).

It's not in the assists, in in the EXECUTION.

So winning games which is wat wade has been doing is wrong because he hasnt been excuting? So the fact that his coach even told him in game 3 and him sure in game 4 get the ball in his hands its wrong for him to score. U have to admit scoring on the mavs for him is beginning to look too easy but according to you he should stop and do wat the mavs want him to do and pass the ball to his teammates and make them beat the mavs. I mean the mavs would love it if shaq and wade didnt shoot the ball and forced the rest of the players to beat them. I think its up to the mavs to force wade and shaq to defer to their teammates cause one on one neither can be stopped so y make it easy on the mavs.

I'm not saying that I want them to do it, I'm saying that I HATE that kind of basketball. I like smart execution, running plays and team basketball. That's why I always prefer European basketball. I am not a fan of the Mavs, but I'm defenetely not for the Heat. Mavs play more like a team (but in no way good enough to be considered a "great team"). And dddddI think if Wade would share the ball more, it would defenetely not be worse, probably better. So this is my opinion.

I can respect that since you said you generally yourself dont like one on one play and thats totally different than jus dissin Wade completely. I myself hated Malone and Stockton and that damn pick and roll every play but I still respected them and consider them 2 of the greatest of all-time. Because I dont like their style I wouldnt compare them to players that jus dont have any business being compared to them.

Finnaly, a person who at least partly understands what I'm trying to say since game 3.

I don't have much to add to this conversation right now...except:Gedas is right about comparing wade to jordan at this point. Larry bird and magic johnson all had will and desire to win...that wasn't something native to jordan. Other than that...he's a retard.

Screw you, if you can't accept an opinion. That makes you a retard.
Whatever. I'm done with all of you, this is a pointless disscusion, because you can't accept other opinions. Almost everyone in this disscusion know shit about basketball, esspecially that "ShaqMVP32" guy. (for future refference, yes, I know basketball)

Mother always taught me it was wrong to make fun of people like Gedas? But Gedas man, seriously ... ok?

Can you be more offensive, please?
Do you honestly think that Miami won because of their performance? Or was your focus all on "Air Wades" ( ) performance. The Maverics played pathetic, and by no way taking credit from the Heat (the wining team has to get credit), I still think that if Dallas would have played how they can (don't give me that bullshit about Heat defense, their defense is weak), I think they would have won. THIS IS MY OPINION, YOU WON'T CHANGE IT. I DON'T LIKE THAT STYLE, IT'S SO PRIMITIVE AND SHOUDN'T BE IN PRO BASKETBALL. THEY COULD ACHIEVE MORE WITH TEAMWORK, THAT'S A FACT.

Can you explain to me what forums are for? Maybe you shoudn't write on the forums, because, no one probably cares that you like the Heat playing style either. That was just a stupid thing to bring out by you.

And about Francis, like I said, I FIND THEIR STYLE VERY SIMMILAR. And AS I SAID ALREADY, Wade is more explosive on offense. They both like to and have the ability to get to the rim.
So you are the one who should shut up. (hint: read previous posts and don't reply unless you won't find the answers to your questons, I'm done repeating myself).

Except you are taking credit from the Heat by saying that they didn't win because of their performance. The Mavericks did play pathetic, I'll give them that, but can you honestly give zero credit to the Heat for causing it? Dallas was out-of-synch all day, and I say that's partly because of the way the Miami played.

It's not a fact that they could achieve more with teamwork -- prove it. And by saying that, you're implying that there is no teamwork on the Heat, which is totally false. Do you realize that apart from Wade, Shaq, and sometimes Walker, everyone else does not create for themselves. Everyone else gets their points off of open shots created through ball movement and teamwork. If you're telling me that when guys like Wade and Shaq are doubled and they dish to an open man, that that isn't teamwork, then your definition is skewed.

I never said I like the Heat style of play, but I appreciate it. Whatever gets you the win. The Heat have gotten to the NBA Finals with this style, so they must be doing something right.

Oh, and if the only reason you're comparing Wade and Steve Francis is because "They both like to and have the ability to get to the rim," then you might as well compare Wade to every slashing guard of all time. Michael Jordan falls into that category, Magic Johnson, Speedy Claxton, a guy on my old high school team...

You know why you chose Francis, because he's labeled as a selfish malcontent, which is the total opposite of what Wade is.

Can someone please just ban this idiot already? There are absolutely no similarites in their playing styles. Wade is a rebounder, scorer and a playmaker.

Do you honestly think that Miami won because of their performance?

They outrebounded the Mavs by 12, and they outrebounded them by 15 in the last game. I think it's safe to say that Miami has a big edge on Dallas in rebounding... I think that was the most important stat for the Heat, and they certainly did earn that. I still think they can play better though, they had a load of turnovers in the 3rd and 4th quarters but still kept increasing their lead by forcing bad shots on the other end.

dam u really are a retard Gedas.
the only reason u would say wade is egotistic is because of the technical he got in Game 2. i never even mentioned execution u stupid shit.
and if u are only comparing stats, u obviously dont know basketball at all. and did u even notice u are cussing at a mod??
its obvious everyone in this forum hates u. so shut the fuck up.
u are a dumass shit who dosnt know crap about basketball.