Least Favourite Players

[wangster]

[b]Tim Duncan - I respect him being so damn good, but I just don't like the guy. No explaining, just don't.

Same here. I really think he's a great and graceful player, worthy of MVP but I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. Maybe it's because how he's all big on fundamentals, maybe that I don't like such a rigid style of play. By rigid, I don't mean not versatile, I mean like... not fluid, you know... not explosive, not... fun.... yeah.

[Bourbon]

I was pleased to see Doug Christie's name mentioned throughout this thread. So for all you anti-Christie fans out there, I dug something up from ESPN.com Page 2's Bill Simmons. Absolutely great stuff.

Question: What's the story with Doug Christie?
Did you see that New York Times article about Christie and his wife, the piece that resulted in the Whipped Hall of Fame being quickly changed to the Doug Christie Memorial Hall of Fame? Everyone has that one buddy who constantly makes up lame excuses because his wife or girlfriend won't let him leave the house, but Christie takes it to another level. This is unprecedented stuff. Few things have rendered me speechless over the years, but check out some of these tidbits:

You know when Christie raises his arm, extends his pinky and index fingers and signals into the air? He's actually signalling "I love you" to his wife (Jackie), something that happens 50-60 times a game, even during crunch-time. It's almost like he suffers from a whipped version of Tourette's.

Some direct quotes and excerpts: "With few exceptions, Doug Christie does not look at other women, avoiding dialogue or even direct contact" ... The Christies remarry every year on their anniversary, "not a mere renewal of their wedding vows but an actual wedding -- replete with friends, family cake and a reception" ... Mrs. Christie attends 25-30 of the Kings road games, always riding on the team charter ... "(She) arrives before games with her husband and leaves with him after" ... "She sends him a note in the locker room before every game, taken there by a team attendant. He writes a reply and sends it back" ... "Sometimes on the road, Jackie will ride in a car behind the team bus, talking to Doug until he arrives at the hotel or arena."

(I kept waiting for this part: "When Doug asked if he could attend Mateen Cleaves' bachelor party this season, his wife burned his clothes and set his BMW convertible on fire.")

My favorite part: "When Christie played for the Raptors, his wife once confronted a female fan seeking an autograph and a kiss in Toronto. 'A security guard grabbed her, but I put my hand up and told her to back off really loud,' she said. 'It scared me, because my voice sounded like a demon ... she was touching someone she shouldn't have been.'"

I guess there are three appropriate reactions here:

1. If you had one TV wish, wouldn't it be for the Christies to appear on "Temptation Island." I always write how this-and-that would make for the greatest TV series ever, but realistically, a "Temptation Island" with the Christies ... that would never be topped in the annals of TV history. That's the Comedy Ceiling right there, isn't it? Even my idea for the HBO talk show with Corey Haim, Corey Feldman and an open bar couldn't come close.

2. If you were granted an alternate TV wish, wouldn't it be for an "Osbournes"-style reality-TV show called "The Christies"? Just Doug getting harassed by his wife in episodes entitled "I wasn't looking at her!" and "I told you, that was Peja's fiancee!"

3. From this point forward, doesn't Christie's replica Kings jersey immediately become the best possible way for a group of guys to humiliate one of their emasculated buddies? Let's say you have that one friend who's spending a little too much time with a new girlfriend, and it seems like she's wearing the pants in the family, to the point that your buddy has been blowing you off. BOOM! Everyone chips in five bucks, you purchase the Christie jersey, and you mail it anonymously to him.

A couple of my buddies and I actually sent a Christie jersey to one of our spineless friends.

Here's a link to the actual story: http://www.hifiny.com/020808_christie.html

[Ruff Ryder]

What a selfish selfabsorbant motha******. Damn. Maybe he'll die soon. Him and his crazy-ass wife.

Funny story though. LOL.

[bishibashiboy]

That Doug Christie story makes me laugh everytime i read it. I love bill simmon's articles.
THE most whipped man on earth w/o a doubt.

[emadhn15]

I would have to say T-Mac because he talks bull$hit too much,,

[cklitsie]

Kobe and Yao

[TRUball]

Jason Kidd- I used to like him but I don't anymore cause I just don't like him anymore from Jason duncan
Tim Duncan-I agree with what wangsta said:

I really think he's a great and graceful player, worthy of MVP but I JUST DON'T LIKE HIM. Maybe it's because how he's all big on fundamentals, maybe that I don't like such a rigid style of play. By rigid, I don't mean not versatile, I mean like... not fluid, you know... not explosive, not... fun.... yeah

Rick Fox-cause he "was" canadian but I don't think of him being canadian anymore so I hate him
Brad Miller-I just don't know why, I just don't maybe because once on XL he was like "oh when ricky davis jumped over that one guy, hmm, whats his name" or something like that, but he was talking about when ricky d jumped over nash, that just made me not like him.
Vin Baker- he is just lame, I don't like him

there is some more but i don't feel like typing

[LeBron James]

shawn marion(stupid gamestyle)
tracy MCG aka.idiot(i hate himmmmmmmm)
ricky davis(cow)

i hate those 3 very badly.

[wonkajane]

i'm not even a kings fan, but i notice everyone is saying essentially the entire kings roster...how gay of you...do you notice that the only times that divac and webber are "whining" are the times they play against the lakers...hmm maybe it has to do with shaq and kobe and their 'phantom fouls' when no one touches them, but since they missed it someone had to have fouled them....strange why dont you mention kevin garnett or tim duncan for "whining"? or just about any center in the league who plays against shaq and kobe...and someone up there said 'doug christie (overrated)' hahahahahaha okay no one talks about doug christie anyways...besides the fact hes incredibly whipped, which is funny, but he is way underrated, especially with his defensive ability....the only reason everyone is listing all these people is because the kings are the only team besides the spurs that actually can beat the lakers...im sick of people being such king haters...its so gay, i mean i dont like the lakers at all, but i respect shaq and kobe's game, and at least im mature and smart enough to not say 'i hate kobe because he raped a girl' or 'i hate shaq cos he made racist comments about yao ming' which are actually reasonable calls, not 'well he whines about a play'...c'mon guys get some real reasons


back on topic though:


id have to say rick fox because he has injured many players and i remember an interview with various small forwards in the league saying how they had bruised ribs and an assortment of other injuries, after playing against the lakers...hmm strange...

another is keith van horn: he just sucks hes way overrated

jason kidd: hes an awesome basketball player i love his game but i think his kid might get fucked up in the head being in the spotlight all of the time...although kidd, jr. and iverson, jr. together was pretty cute

karl malone is dumb saying those comments about magic way back when...crazy ass

lamar odom for not signing with the clippers haha jk

ostertag: wishes he was mark eaton

grant hill: the hype is always on him...even though he doesnt play

michael stewart: for getting payed 3.9 million more dollars than carlos boozer

devean george: 'he whines a lot' durrrrr

thats it

-matt

[Robby]

karl malone is dumb saying those comments about magic way back when...crazy ass

That's the way most of the NBA players felt about the situation too but Karl Malone was the only one with enough guts to say it in public.

[Jackal]

i'm not even a kings fan, but i notice everyone is saying essentially the entire kings roster...how gay of you...do you notice that the only times that divac and webber are "whining" are the times they play against the lakers...hmm maybe it has to do with shaq and kobe and their 'phantom fouls' when no one touches them, but since they missed it someone had to have fouled them....strange why dont you mention kevin garnett or tim duncan for "whining"? or just about any center in the league who plays against shaq and kobe...and someone up there said 'doug christie (overrated)' hahahahahaha okay no one talks about doug christie anyways...besides the fact hes incredibly whipped, which is funny, but he is way underrated, especially with his defensive ability....the only reason everyone is listing all these people is because the kings are the only team besides the spurs that actually can beat the lakers...im sick of people being such king haters...its so gay, i mean i dont like the lakers at all, but i respect shaq and kobe's game, and at least im mature and smart enough to not say 'i hate kobe because he raped a girl' or 'i hate shaq cos he made racist comments about yao ming' which are actually reasonable calls, not 'well he whines about a play'...c'mon guys get some real reasons

Lets not resort to name-calling shall we Matt, we're grownup enough to disagree and not call eachother gay now cant we?
Anyways:

According to you the Kings and Spurs are the only teams that can beat the Lakers? Its not like their unbeatable by the rest man, but I'll take that as a compliment directed at the Lakers anyways thnx .

If you saw my post, you can see that I wrote only Divac and Webber.

I gave legit reasons, Divac just keeps falling down while Shaqs posting up; Will he ever try to be a man? Come on we know Shaq's strong, but if Brendan Haywood doesnt fall down while Shaq's posting up, Divac's gotta be faking. I dont dislike him because I think they can beat LA, I know they can beat LA their roster is good. Im not living in my dreamworld saying LA is unbeatable (although you think only SA and SAC can beat them) LA is very much beatable, SAC came close, just couldnt close out the game.

I dislike C-Webb for many reasons...some of them being he complains alot, no matter who's playing, he just doesnt like any call against them.
Second reason: He knows he's the go to guy of the team yet, when the situation arises for him to take a big shot, he'll pass off the ball, sometimes he'll step up but most of the time he'll pass the ball off.

I dont have a problem with Christie, Peja or Bibby let alone the whole Kings team. I just have a problem with these two guys for the reasons I mentioned, its my opinion of why I dislike them. Just like the reason as to why you dislike Jason Kidd and Karl Malone, I cant make you like them, so I would appreciate you not trying to make me look like a fool for disliking these two players.

[wonkajane]

my bad sorry


divac is a flopper yes but its good strategy...mark madsen did it on garnett...worked excellent

[Jackal]

my bad sorry
divac is a flopper yes but its good strategy...mark madsen did it on garnett...worked excellent

No problem, lets just not resort to namecalling the next time.

Yes, flopping is a good strategy, I still remember Bill Lambier, he must be THE biggest flopper in NBA History, but his flopping helped his team (Detroit) win Championships.

But you know there are guys that you just dont like, plain and simple you cant stand their face, the way they walk, the way they talk, you just dislike them for some weird ass reasons.
I dislike Divac and Webber for my own weirdass reasons.
Flopping is a good technique, but it's just such a sissy good technique !

[Bourbon]

In response to the logical trainwreck that is wonkajane's post ...

i'm not even a kings fan, but i notice everyone is saying essentially the entire kings roster...how gay of you...do you notice that the only times that divac and webber are "whining" are the times they play against the lakers

Of course they whined when (and after) playing the Lakers; they didn't have the heart to beat L.A. So why did so many of us forum users cite C-Webb and Vlade as our least favorite players? Because it's nauseating watching athletes bitch about the officiating and singing the sad "We should've won" song. The referees didn't squander a 25-point lead in Game 4, and they didn't miss the crucial Game 7 free-throws. Chris Webber and Vlade "Flopper" Divac religiously wear their whiny, "What? Me?!?!" expressions whenever charged with a foul, and both cower from the bright lights of crunch time. All things considered, these guys are about as courageous as the Tin Man. Hmmmm, maybe that's why they're so often abhorred. Either that, or like you said, we're "gay."

strange why dont you mention kevin garnett or tim duncan for "whining"?

Maybe I need to watch more T-Wolves games, but I've always had tremendous respect for Kevin Garnett. I agree about Duncan, though. As great as he is, he often carries the disposition of a toddler when things aren't going his way.

and someone up there said 'doug christie (overrated)' hahahahahaha okay no one talks about doug christie anyways...besides the fact hes incredibly whipped, which is funny, but he is way underrated, especially with his defensive ability

How could someone named to the All-NBA Defensive Team be an underrated defensive player? Could someone please explain this to me? Anyway, I'll play devil's advocate and contend that he's, in fact, overrated. Sure, Christie ranks among the league leader's in steals, but that's only telling half the story. He's unjustly gained a reputation as being a good defender, mostly because he gambles for steals and is sometimes successful. Offensively? He can only score against a broken field. How about when the game's on the line? Christie admitted he was "scared to death" in Game 7 against the Lakers two years ago. And don't even get me started on his wife.

c'mon guys get some real reasons

In these types of issues, reasons for disliking a player are entirely personal, and they always differ. In the end, you can "hate" on whoever you want, but it always looks better for you (as well as your platform of argument) if you can justify your disdain with some pillar of reason. That said, on to your least favorite players ...

id have to say rick fox because he has injured many players and i remember an interview with various small forwards in the league saying how they had bruised ribs and an assortment of other injuries, after playing against the lakers...hmm strange...

Hmmmm, what interview?

jason kidd: hes an awesome basketball player i love his game but i think his kid might get fucked up in the head being in the spotlight all of the time...although kidd, jr. and iverson, jr. together was pretty cute

Okay, so you dislike an athlete simply because his son's getting a little air-time? That's fine, but it sounds awfully ridiculous when you turn around and challenge everyone else to submit to you a legitimate reason for not celebrating another player.

grant hill: the hype is always on him...even though he doesnt play

True, Hill's been out of action for the majority of his tenure in Orlando, but it's not like he pulled a Ryan Leaf and threw in the towel after his big payday. Hill's been diligently attempting to repair his ankle and return (this will be his fourth and final attempt) to the hardwood, and I really hope it can work this time. Especially for such a genuinely good guy. By the way, isn't it disturbing that through modern science, we can decode the human genone, we can land on the moon, but we can't fix a goddamn ankle? Amazing.

[Robby]

grant hill: the hype is always on him...even though he doesnt play

There's a reason why there's so much hype surrounding Grant Hill. He used to be one of the best players in the league and would have been the next superstar of the NBA had he not gotten hurt.

[wonkajane]

you guys are saying these reasons as if im so stupid that they wouldnt make sense to me...of course grant hill was one of the best....but honestly, who cares if you were the best, thatd be like bill russell coming back, hes not gonna be good, hes too old...just like grant hill is too fucked up to be good again...im sure hell be a solid contribution, and no doubt will help the magic but until he actually plays, i just dont think he should be considered as still one of the greatest...

he referees didn't squander a 25-point lead in Game 4

no but they did call phantom fouls, which helped contribute to the 'squandering'

Vlade "Flopper" Divac religiously wear their whiny, "What? Me?!?!" expressions whenever charged with a foul, and both cower from the bright lights of crunch time

good thing chris webber wasnt they're bestplayer, and good thing vlade didnt make a buzzer beating 3 pointer himself....oh wait...they did...good job guy

Hmmmm, what interview?

oh just cos i dont have a link means i made it up right?? in that case 'uhhh durrr i dont think vlade's middle name is really 'flopper'...can you show me an article saying that? or a birth certificate

but we can't fix a goddamn ankle? Amazing.

you're on fire...fixing a living organism just MAY be a little difficult...

Okay, so you dislike an athlete simply because his son's getting a little air-time? That's fine, but it sounds awfully ridiculous when you turn around and challenge everyone else to submit to you a legitimate reason for not celebrating another player.

okay jason kidd is an excellent athlete i love his game....wait...didnt i already say this??? oh yeah good point einstein

hes an awesome basketball player i love his game

and that is a legitimate reason, because being in a psychology class i know that sort of thing could mess with a child's head...im not backing this up on why oatmeal is mushy...i have some reasoning behind my thoughts


good job idiot

[Andrew]

Guys, let's keep the discussion free of personal attacks. We can discuss topics without insulting each other's intelligence and calling each other names. Thank you.

[Bourbon]

just like grant hill is too fucked up to be good again...im sure hell be a solid contribution, and no doubt will help the magic but until he actually plays, i just dont think he should be considered as still one of the greatest...

I don't think most people consider him one of the best anymore. Maybe they do (I know I do) in the conditional "what if he didn't get hurt" tense, but that's it. Anyway, his skills aren't really at issue; I was just questioning why you don't like Hill as a result of his injury. Again, you have every right to feel this way, I just didn't understand where you were coming from. Frankly, I'm still not sure I understand what you're saying; the Bill Russell analogy was a complete non sequitur.

no but they did call phantom fouls, which helped contribute to the 'squandering'

I don't remember anyone complaining about the referees in Game 4; controversy ensued from Game 6, though I should add that ESPN's David Aldridge, an objective media source, felt the game was officiated poorly, but that the missed calls/non-calls balanced out for each team as a result of an equally lopsided crapshoot in Game 5. (You didn't hear the Lakers whining about Shaq fouling out and Kobe drawing five fouls in that game, did you?) But I digress ...

good thing chris webber wasnt they're bestplayer, and good thing vlade didnt make a buzzer beating 3 pointer himself....oh wait...they did...good job guy

Again, Webber being their best player isn't at issue. I merely criticized his shortcomings in pressure situations. (For someone who isn't a Kings fan, you seem awfully vehement in your defense of both Webber and Divac, by the way.)

oh just cos i dont have a link means i made it up right?? in that case 'uhhh durrr i dont think vlade's middle name is really 'flopper'...can you show me an article saying that? or a birth certificate

No, I don't think you're making it up. It seemed interesting, though, so I was hoping I could find a copy of the article to read myself.

you're on fire...fixing a living organism just MAY be a little difficult...

Well, apparently it is. I was just making a neutral juxtaposition. Chill out, buddy.

okay jason kidd is an excellent athlete i love his game....wait...didnt i already say this??? oh yeah good point einstein

You're right, that was made clear. Still, you didn't (and still haven't) answered my question regarding Kidd, which I guess is fine. Either way, you're obviously not capable of civil discourse, nor do you seem open to dissenting opinions without lashing out defensively. I'd like to continue this discussion with you, but until you decide to actually debate instead of hurling blanket statements and catty insults, I think I've said my peace.

[air gordon]

Sure, Christie ranks among the league leader's in steals, but that's only telling half the story. He's unjustly gained a reputation as being a good defender, mostly because he gambles for steals and is sometimes successful

very true. i think he has no business being on the all nba defensive team. he's an okay defender but definitely not one of the league's elite

You know when Christie raises his arm, extends his pinky and index fingers and signals into the air? He's actually signalling "I love you" to his wife (Jackie), something that happens 50-60 times a game, even during crunch-time

whenever kings games are televised in our area, my friends and i can always look forward to getting drunk. we play the 'drink everytime christie does the hand thing' game. anyway, imo his and his wife's behavior are disturbing. jackie prolly wears a strap on when they're in bed

as for this whining thing... what player/coach doesn't whine after a call is made by a ref?!

[havasufalls]

Karl Malone & John Stockton are tops among my list of players i dislike. I know their good and all, but the r boring to me. The same pick and roll every play. im not one of those people who sit around and like to watch highlights all day and i enjoy good basketball but they r boring. SOme say that the they do the pick and roll so much cause it works i didnt work versus the BULLS so y dont they run a diferent play. I am probably one of the only people happy to see them go. i can now play with the Jazz on live. since i've been playing live i have only plyed with the jazz team a total of 10-15 all together. and i proabably have over 10 thousand games under my belt. wen i didplay withe them thefirst people i subbed out were malone and stockton and they ride the bench the entire game.

i also dont like john starks cause he looks funny and he always tried to challenge my BULLS and i know these aren't legitiment reasons but its jus something about him i don't like.

TIM DUNCAN got game but he is soft and just..............................aint as good as KG plain and simple so hate him with a passion