Teams that will make it at 08.

Shannon, you need to calculate your records, 56-15 and 51-21?

My bad, I put up a rough idea of the records then changed them all to make sure there were as many losses as wins overall. Fixed it.

What are you on? Never trust a rookie point guard to get you to the playoffs. Ever. ESPECIALLY in Atlanta.

Didnt Dwyane Wade do that his rookie year?

Edit: @ Shannon, if Minnesota are the worst team and get Derrick Rose, then damn. Center - Jefferson - Brewer - Foye - Rose. . Even Rose and Jefferson would be awesome, without Foye or Brewer

Edit Again: And i even forgot about Rashad McCants

Boston has 2 injury prone guys, if one of them gets hurt they're below .500.

They have no depth, only 3 great players. Even with just 3 great superstars, I don't think they'll be the highest seed in the playoffs.

Boston has 2 injury prone guys, if one of them gets hurt they're below .500.

They have no depth, only 3 great players. Even with just 3 great superstars, I don't think they'll be the highest seed in the playoffs.

if one gets hurt thats not kg then the celtics still break 500, kg goes down then they over at or below 500, if 2 goes down they are screwed but that can be said of any team.


i dont think i can agree with the idea that the hawks should have taken conley, i think they made the right choice, finally

Boston has 2 injury prone guys, if one of them gets hurt they're below .500.

They have no depth, only 3 great players. Even with just 3 great superstars, I don't think they'll be the highest seed in the playoffs.

I don't know if the Celtics are below .500 if one of the big three go down.It's always gonna be at least Paul Pierce and Ray Allen out there. The fact that they all compliment each others skill set is a big safety net IMO. By the way, which are the two injury prone players?

Kevin Garnett has missed 15 games over the past 8 seasons, and probably 12 of those are him sitting at the end of a losing season.

Ray Allen, if the Sonics didn't suck so bad this year, would have played through the rest of the season and had his ankles cleaned up - which are now great - during the offseason. If he went that route, he would of played 72 games. That's slightly down from his back to back 78 game seasons the two years prior.

Paul Pierce has had one down season (last season) since his rookie year, where he was limited to 48 games. Since then? 73, 82, 82, 79, 80, 82, 79 games. This season was awful for the whole team and Pierce sat out alot longer than he would with a contending team. He played 47 games, but I don't think you can hold one season against. He's a warrior and won't sit over a minor injury.

I wouldn't call anyone of these guys injury prone. They get hurt a little more aften with age, but none of these guys do you expect every season to miss 15+ games.

Those 3 players are also some of the very best best players at their position in the league.

No depth right now, but Ainge is still making moves as he said during the press conference.

They got a pretty good looking point guard in Rajon Rondo, who, if he gets a jumpshot, should be a perfect fit for this team. Off the bench, they got Tony Allen who I believe is pretty underrated. I barely hear any mention of him and he was on his way to a nice season before the injury. They got Glen Davis off the bench who is pretty NBA ready and could suprise some people. Leon Powe is a monster on the boards and is a good looking roleplayer. Perkins will start at center, and while he is pretty bad, having the big 3 in there allows you to have one of the worst starting centers in the league.

Then think if they were to add a couple guys like Brevin Knight and James Posey. They look pretty solid.

Eastern Conference

1. Detroit Pistons (53-29)
2. Chicago Bulls (51-31)
3. Boston Celtics (47-35)
4. Toronto Raptors (46-36)
5. Cleveland Cavaliers (49-33)
6. Miami Heat (43-39)
7. Washington Wizards (42-40)
8. New Jersey Nets (40-42)

9. Orlando Magic (40-42)
10. Milwaukee Bucks (39-43)
11. Charlotte Bobcats (33-49)
12. Philadelphia 76ers (33-49)
13. New York Knicks (31-51)
14. Atlanta Hawks (31-51)
15. Indiana Pacers (25-57)
though.

Shannon, that Top 4 is impossible to have. Chicago and Detroit are of the same division; so are Boston and Toronto. There isn't anyone in the Southeast (Charlotte, Miami, Washington, Orlando, Atlanta) in the Top 4 at all for being a division leader. Toronto wouldn't be in the Top 4 because they are not the best team that is not a division leader, and they wouldn't be a division leader, making them even below Cleveland. If I was to keep the records you predicted, the Top 8 would look like this:

1. Detroit Pistons (53-29)
2. Chicago Bulls (51-31)
3. Boston Celtics (47-35)
4. Miami Heat (43-39)
5. Cleveland Cavaliers (49-33)
6. Toronto Raptors (46-36)
7. Washington Wizards (42-40)
8. New Jersey Nets (40-42)

My mistake, once again. I listed them by ranking then changed it to seeding and must have gotten everything mixed up. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll fix it up.

my guess is... from shannon's prospect is...

heat will do better with shaq staying healthy
detroit's gonna decline a bit
wizards gonna suck a bit more
phillies will do better than that

for west, it's too tough to tell anything for sure. but i think denver is overrated judging from ai & melo's late season chemistry. hopely they will pull thru... since i root for ai.

Don't forget about their star player. Here comes the breakout season.

As far as I'm concerned he's already broken out, I mean he put up 18/6/6 last season, from 12/6/3 the year before. I think he's already broken out and will just continue to get better with smaller jumps in productivity.

I wasn't talking about Andre Iguodala silly

LMAO.

I should have remembered.

Don't forget about their star player. Here comes the breakout season.

As far as I'm concerned he's already broken out, I mean he put up 18/6/6 last season, from 12/6/3 the year before. I think he's already broken out and will just continue to get better with smaller jumps in productivity.

I wasn't talking about Andre Iguodala silly

Who else could it be hmmm...Andre Miller???

the knicks are gonna rule the east this year, no doubt.

My opinion :
East

1.Detroit
2.Miami
3.Chicago
4.Cleveland
5.Boston
6.Atlanta
7.New Jersey
8.Toronto
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Washington
Charlotte
New York

West

1.Phoenix
2.Houston
3.San Antonio
4.Denver
5.Dallas
6.Golden State
7.Sacramento
8.Utah
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New Orleans
L.A.Clippers
Memphis

I hope someone will eventually realize that the Knicks are going to slide into that 8th spot in the east.

1.Detroit
2.Miami

Blasphemy, Miami should be first. After all, they did sign Smush Parker and watch nearly every Eastern team get an upgrade.

that's true. smush parker is the bomb.

My bad, I put up a rough idea of the records then changed them all to make sure there were as many losses as wins overall. Fixed it.

Still didn't do that, as they add up to a 1240-1222 record. (And you also have the Spurs and Rockets playing 83 games.)

Don't worry, a while back Sports Illustrated (or Sport, I forget which) screwed up their records so bad the league somehow went 1215-999. I think nbadraft.net has done that a few times too.

Also...

Paul Pierce ... his rookie year, where he was limited to 48 games.

He played in 96% of the games that season. Missed just two games.

My opinion :
East

1.Detroit
2.Miami
3.Chicago
4.Cleveland
5.Boston
6.Atlanta
7.New Jersey
8.Toronto
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Washington
Charlotte
New York

Detroit, chicago, and cleveland can't all win the central division, only 1 will be a top 4 seed.

Cleveland won't make any big moves, but with the rise of daniel gibson, sasha pavlovic, anderson varejao, drew gooden (improving), the possibility of contributions from shannon brown, larry hughes may have a decent year for the first time since washington if he's healthy.

I'm surprised cleveland made it to the finals with what they got, they have a lot of talent, but I think they need an offensive coach to help utilize the talent they have.

If they get an offensive coach they will take the east, they have a lot of rising stars.

i think boston will do better than seed 5
pierce was even doing ok with robber's best friend antoine walka
allen, kg r 100 times better teammates than walka so my guess is top 3
for now, it's just a wish tho... no logical explanation i can offer
so here's my wish list...

1. heat
2. boston
3. detroit
4. cavs
5. idc
6. idc
7. idc
8. idc
so on...

and i think orlando's gonna make it for sure, while washington will be out of playoff picture. new sersey will be making it too. toronto not sure but likely while NY will fall lil short or maybe 8th seeded...

My bad, I put up a rough idea of the records then changed them all to make sure there were as many losses as wins overall. Fixed it.

Still didn't do that, as they add up to a 1240-1222 record. (And you also have the Spurs and Rockets playing 83 games.)

Don't worry, a while back Sports Illustrated (or Sport, I forget which) screwed up their records so bad the league somehow went 1215-999. I think nbadraft.net has done that a few times too.

Also...

Paul Pierce ... his rookie year, where he was limited to 48 games.

He played in 96% of the games that season. Missed just two games.

Argh, that's why I gave up on maths at school. I just can't keep track with so many numbers.

As for Paul Pierce, are you sure? I checked out NBA.com, ESPN.com, Basketball-Reference.com, Yahoo.com and they all say 48 games played. I'm going by their numbers because I personally have very little recollection of Pierce during his rookie season.

Yeah, he played 48 games, but that was 96% of the games that season. There were only 50 games.

well just for shits and giggles i will give my top 8 in the east and west. i am not going by standings, records only.

1. Boston
2. Chicago
3. Detroit
4. Cleveland
5. Miami
6. Orlando
7. Washington
8. New Jersey

9. New York
10. Atlanta


1. Dallas
2. Phoenix
3. San Antonio
4. Houston
5. Utah
6. Memphis
7. Golden State
8. Denver

9. Los Angeles
10. New Orleans

the east should look like this next year:

1. New York
2. Chicago
3. Detroit
4. Cleveland
5. Toronto
6. Orlando
7. Washington
8. New Jersey

thats it, you just made the list