KG Trade a "Done Deal"

by **maes** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:23 am

That's far more believable...Minny should pull the trigger on that asap. Al's gonna be very good.

by **maceo24** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:24 am

Indy wrote:
maceo24 wrote:Roy Hibbert is my dark horse for this year, I was really impressed with his play during the tourney. Nothing overly dominant, but a stable and calming presence on both sides of the ball.

He's your dark horse?

Alright, my dark horse is Eric Gordon!

lol, not that much of a stretch I know, but according to mass media and the 13 year olds around here, lol, Oden, Durant are the only rookie worth mentioning for ROY honors this year. So in the case that neither of them get it, my guy is Hibbert...lol

Eric Gordon is a player and a half, man. I look for big things from him.
Off-topic - what ever happened to Bracey Wright? I loved him when he was at IU.

by **---** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:40 am

lol, not that much of a stretch I know, but according to mass media and the 13 year olds around here, lol, Oden, Durant are the only rookie worth mentioning for ROY honors this year. So in the case that neither of them get it, my guy is Hibbert...lol

That probably has something to do with the fact that Roy is back at Georgetown and not in the NBA.

Hibbert is almost garuanteed to be a top 5 pick next year. Rose, Mayo and Beasley will all be amongst the top 5. I think Greene could be at that top 5 level come draft time. Eric Gordon is right there too. The thing is, teams are always looking for true centers and Hibbert is the best of the bunch in '08.

Back on track, I'm reading that Minny also wants Rondo now. Jefferson/Rondo/Green/Gomes/Telfair/Ratliff and 2 first rounders. That's far too much IMO.

by **maceo24** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:03 am

Dont mind me, I occasionally slip out of reality. :oops:

Mayo in the top 5? Only if he cleans up his act. He strikes me as the type of spolied douchebag that would try and pull a Francis depending on who drafts him.

I wouldnt trade both Rondo AND telfair, they are trading the entire team. Even if garnetts agrees to an extension, if the celtics lose that many players, it just means no depth off the bench this year, and little chance to really improve next year without draft picks and.or cap space depending on how much garnett decides to take. Its teeter-ing on the brink between a hard-bargaining and absolute franchise rape. Ainge better be careful.

by **---** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:10 am

Mayo in the top 5? Only if he cleans up his act. He strikes me as the type of spolied douchebag that would try and pull a Francis depending on who drafts him.

Trust me, OJ Mayo will be number one overall.

I don't get why people think OJ is a problem child. Two things have happened that I recall - he knocked over a ref (the ref fell purposely, it was later uncovered) and he was caught with Marijuana - which turned out to be his friends in a car he was in.

People say he's cocky, but he is extremely quiet and focused on the court.

He has been the lock for number one for a long time now. You'll find out why when you see him light it up at USC this season. If you don't think Mayo is worth a top 5 pick, even if he was a problem child, I feel sorry for you.

by **Drex** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:28 am

Yay, go Sixers

Is this done? Or are they still talking?

by **Anthony15** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:31 am

It's pretty much done. Celtics lose way too much supporting crew, still with Allen, Pierce and KG I don't see them as playoff contenders, could be chemistry problems, injuries, how will the players play under Rivers. If they want to win they need to know, because KG, Allen and Pierce are aging, and in a few years Garnett will probably retire, while Allen and Pierce won't be at the top level.

by **maes** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:32 am

Latest is an agreement in principal of KG for Jefferson, Green, Telfair, Gomes, Theo Ratliff and a 1st round Celtics Pick.

KG will not exercise his player option to end his contract early as part of the deal.

(OT, i don't see OJ going #1, he hasn't played all that well in the exhibition games against his classmates. I'm guessing Rose or Beasley goes #1, or even Hibbert just based on size).

by **magius** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:56 am

I would imagine Sauru and Riot are pissing their pants for completely different reasons.

I think its a decent deal both ways, minny's not going anywhere anyways. while inside out with kg and pierce and allen makes me salivate.

by **---** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:04 am

Latest is an agreement in principal of KG for Jefferson, Green, Telfair, Gomes, Theo Ratliff and a 1st round Celtics Pick.

Yeah, that sounds like the final deal from quite a few sources. Some Celtics fans went from estactic that they were getting KG, to incredibly hyped up over the though that they may keep Al Jefferson in the deal, to thinking they may break the deal to keep Ryan Gomes. What breaking news does to you. :lol:

(OT, i don't see OJ going #1, he hasn't played all that well in the exhibition games against his classmates. I'm guessing Rose or Beasley goes #1, or even Hibbert just based on size).

Exhibitions are one thing, but the college season is what these guys are graded on. OJ will be let loose at USC and will put up monster numbers on his way to plenty of awards, maybe even player of the year - I'm fully expecting around 20/5/5. Thats why I love the draft age rule.

by **maceo24** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:05 am

Shannon wrote:Two things have happened that I recall - he knocked over a ref (the ref fell purposely, it was later uncovered) and he was caught with Marijuana - which turned out to be his friends in a car he was in.

People say he's cocky, but he is extremely quiet and focused on the court.

I love the way its released a month later that such and such never happened and it happened "like this instead of like this". It still comes down to one thing for me. You are the friends that you keep. Simple as that. Not saying that he himself may be the culprit there, but he is directly involved in it. Sure it was his friends, reportedly, but its guilt by association. He should know that as well as you and I do. If the person you split a cubicle with is shooting heroine next to you, and keeps his stash in your mini-fridge, when your boss finds out youre both going to look like heroine addicts. If he is a good kid then fine, but to me that incident raises a large flag in the back of my mind, youknow? God forbid something happens this year. Who takes the blame for that one?

Of course he'll tear it up at USC. That was never the question. He's a fantastic talent. But they said that about Omar Cook, they said it about Richie Parker, Pacman Jones, the Vick Family... The company you keep can kill you. Add Len Bias and Darrent Williams to that list.

It says something about our society when we are willing to let drug allegations and the like be forgotten because said person's talent on a basketball court. We fall behind as a nation because its acceptable practice to make excuses for unacceptable behavior. It's like its a bonus if they stay out of trouble or something.

I played for 4 years at a DIII school, Kean U. class of 05, and anytime from when they were recruiting me in high school, up until the last practice of my senior year, if there was any speculation about something like that I would have been gone. Maybe I'm just angry that they operate above the laws and rules that real student athletes should be abiding by. He's not even going to school for an education for christ's sake.That's not just directed at him, either. ANY player that wastes another kids chance to get money for schooling he probably wouldnt be able to afford otherwise is an asshole. If thats the case send them to a Community College and give that money to a potential doctor whos working at McDonalds to pay off 40,000 plus in loans before he gets into med school.

So in closing, will he still be drafted top-5? Probably. But does he deserve it? In my opinion, no.

by **---** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:24 am

I just saw this on CBS Sportsline:

Celtics agree to acquire Garnett for four players, draft pick

July 30, 2007
CBS SportsLine.com wire reports

BOSTON -- Kevin Garnett is leaving Minnesota after the Boston Celtics agreed to acquire the All-Star forward in a multiplayer trade with the Timberwolves, a Celtics official told the Associated Press on Monday.
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Among the players who could be headed to Minnesota are forward Al Jefferson, guard Sebastian Telfair, swingman Gerald Green and center Theo Ratliff, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been completed. The official also said the Timberwolves would get at least one draft choice.

Looks like Ryan Gomes won't be moved.

Anyway, we're going offtopic here, but I just wanna answer to your post.

It says something about our society when we are willing to let drug allegations and the like be forgotten because said person's talent on a basketball court. We fall behind as a nation because its acceptable practice to make excuses for unacceptable behavior. It's like its a bonus if they stay out of trouble or something.

I have never ever smoked a ciggarette in my life, or weed for that matter, and don't plan to. I was bought up by two drug addict parents and my entire family to this day is surrounded by drugs. My dad is in and out of jail, for this, amongst other things. Police are over on the regular looking for uncles. I've been with friends when they have been busted for Marijuana.

I met these friends when I was very young, and I was the one that stayed out of trouble. I am still friends with them because they are loyal, and good people. They smoke a little weed, get caught and get in trouble. Let's just say I was in a car with a bunch of friends and the car was stopped and searched, and marijuana was found. The weed belonged to someone other than me in the car. Does this make me a bad person? Where exactly did I go wrong?

I played for 4 years at a DIII school, Kean U. class of 05, and anytime from when they were recruiting me in high school, up until the last practice of my senior year, if there was any speculation about something like that I would have been gone. Maybe I'm just angry that they operate above the laws and rules that real student athletes should be abiding by. He's not even going to school for an education for christ's sake.That's not just directed at him, either. ANY player that wastes another kids chance to get money for schooling he probably wouldnt be able to afford otherwise is an asshole. If thats the case send them to a Community College and give that money to a potential doctor whos working at McDonalds to pay off 40,000 plus in loans before he gets into med school.

I have a hard time believing that if your friend was caught with weed while you were with him, you would be kicked of the team. OJ has alot more to deal with as a high profile athlete. If his friend is caught with weed, he somehow catches the blame. It's unfair on him. Let him be friends with anyone who wants, and if they smoke weed, then so be it. Smoking weed doesn't make you a bad person and most definately shouldn't tarnish the image of an innocent person.

Secondly, why give a potential docter the scholarship?

Scholarships are not intended to give people a free ride through college because they can't afford it. Scholarships are intended to reward people who deserve it, athletically or academically. Not one person would say OJ has not earned a scholarship through his athletic achievements, even if he is gone after one year and a multi millionaire the next.

So in closing, will he still be drafted top-5? Probably. But does he deserve it? In my opinion, no.

It seems to me that you are completely forgetting the fact that OJ is the best backcourt prospect since LeBron James, and has been for quite some time now.

by **mAgoTT50** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:29 am

http://www.nba.com/nba_news/Garnett_Celtics_070730.html

by **cyanide** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:30 am

From what I've read, Gerald Green is dumb as a rock, so it's not clear if Green could ever reach the potential people hope for.

If the trade does go through, KG, Pierce and Allen on the same team sounds completely ridiculous; however, looking at the rest of team, it's hard to say if this team is championship material. They are missing two key components: PG and C. Regardless, Boston would definitely be a team to keep an eye on this season.

Btw, it looks like it's a done deal: http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7075382?MSNHPHMA

Among the players who could be headed to Minnesota are forward Al Jefferson, guard Sebastian Telfair, swingman Gerald Green and center Theo Ratliff, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been completed. The official also said the Timberwolves would get at least one draft choice.

by **-Young Buck-** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:34 am

Boston could sign Earl Boykins maybe, he is a solid PG.

This deal is good for KG, now with 2 all stars by his side they could rule the east if they find good role players.

How is any team going to be able to stop KG, Pierce, and Allen every night? At least two of them will be on every night. :shock:

by **maceo24** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:00 am

Im saying give the doctor the scholarship over someone who isnt planning to use it in the way in which is was intended to be used. To me, a player given a scholarship to a school, knowing that he has no intentions of staying to term is not deserving of a scholarship. Using a school of learning purely to boost your exposure doesnt make you the brightest anything. If youre going to stick it out and get yourself a degree, then yes you deserve it. Good for you. If the kid is planning to go pro after a year, then dont give him a scholarship, let him pay off his year after he signs the contract. Fair enough considering the starting nba salary nowadays isnt it? One year isnt even long enough to be on academic probation. Basically he gets to eat, sleep, drink, play ball, and screw the groupies for free, and going to class is a secondary priority, thats if its on the agenda at all.

As far as the thing with me and my team, my Conference, the NJAC, had VERY strict rules regarding drug/alcohol use with players. My school was not, and is not the only school with this policy. And if my friend knows this policy, and insists on carrying drugs when he is around me, ignoring that rule, placing my basketball career in danger, then I guess he isnt a very good friend, now is he? I think it should be that way everywhere, its not a very hard rule to adjust to. It barely affected me, as I didnt have friends who smoked in high school, in college, or now for that matter. Me and my friends had/have plenty fun without having to do it. Anyone in the Tri-State area who hasnt done a bar-crawl through hoboken is missing life at its finest...

No, it doesnt make you any less of a person for smoking. But it makes you a person I am/was wary of, given my situation. Mayo should have exercised discretion on this point. He can hang out with whoever he wants to. But at what point does he get held accountable for his surroundings? He couldve told his friend to leave that shit at home when they went out. His friend, understanding of Mayos situation would have gladly done so is he was his friend. Dont cover for irresponsibility on OJ's part for recognizing a potentially hazardous situation. Why arent his parents paying attention to whats going on? Hes media material every second hes out of the house. I understand giving a high school kid some extra rope, but he nearly hung himself, didnt he? As accessible as he is, its OJ and his family's responsibility to pay attention to things that will get him in trouble.

If we stopped only looking at talent, we wouldnt have so many assholes in professional sports. I'm looking at how it should be, not necessarily how it is.

YouTube · by **ThaLiveKing** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:07 am

Raps ain't winning that Atlantic next year. . .NJ and them will be fighting for 2nd in that Division.. .There's no way in HELL those guys are finishing 2nd in that division!!

And even if they do. . no one will want to play Boston in the playoffs!l Garnett is gonna unstoppable in the East . . . JUST WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

by **Silas** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:22 am

Wowee is all I can say. What an exciting off season of player movement and new players being brought in.

Here's a question, who will lead the team in scoring? My pick would be Pierce, because I think Allen and KG have been around long enough that they're more than willing to let Pierce take the most shots as long as it helps them in the post season.

by **cyanide** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:30 am

Hm, this situation actually reminds me of the big three of New Jersey.

NJ's big three:
Kidd
Carter
Jefferson

Boston's big three:
Garnett
Pierce
Allen

Clearly, Boston looks to be stronger team, especially with an aging Kidd; however, at the same time, Kidd is probably the best player and the best team player on the Nets. The Nets do not have a dominant big as the Celtics do with Garnett, but the Celtics are also lacking a good point guard. This may not matter as the Celtics are going to rely on Pierce and KG to score, and if doubled, Allen is the man to hit the three. I can see the Celtics thriving in the halfcourt game, but I honestly don't see them doing well in an up tempo situation or against a team known for its defensive prowess.

If it was the Suns vs the Celtics (Nash, Stoudemire, Marion), I see the Suns doing better. If it was the Spurs vs the Celtics (Parker, Duncan, Ginobili), I still see the Spurs getting the edge.

YouTube · by **ThaLiveKing** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:31 am

When it comes down to the clutch...You have two wing players and 1 dominant PF. . That team is nuts!!

by **Donatello** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:35 am

I'm just waiting for Riot's response to this.

by **benji** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:41 am

cyanide wrote:If it was the Suns vs the Celtics (Nash, Stoudemire, Marion), I see the Suns doing better. If it was the Spurs vs the Celtics (Parker, Duncan, Ginobili), I still see the Spurs getting the edge.

Why? Because they'll actually have more than six players on the roster.

Celtics are good in the ruins of the East...they might win a title if they can get some solid guys to round out the team. Like the Heat and Pistons you only have to beat one Western team to win a title. Not like Western teams which have to beat three.

by **maceo24** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:47 am

I duno about the spurs part. AFAIC KG is the only Forward in the league that can match duncans numbers, while guarding duncan. They effective cancel out. But the dilemma for the spurs come to who guards pierce and allen. Parker is too short for either one, which would be a disaster as they're both terrific perimiter shooters. that means bowen on... which one? Pierce is a tough defender at the SF position and will give Ginobili/Finley some problems with his superior length. Allen will take turns torching either Barry or Parker, and Finley doesnt have the stamina to keep up with Ray either. Plus he gets a vacation on D playing Bowen.

The teams that will give the celtics problems are team with perimeter oriented bigs... I.E - Dallas, Utah, maybe even NY with Randolph or Indy with J-O. Anyone that would pull KG out of the lane to defend them is a problem, cause there goes the rebounding edge. Although Pierce is no slouch down there either...

This changes things quite a bit in the eastern conference.

by **NovU** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:48 am

i dunno if the chemistry will be fine but boston sure is an interesting team now along with denver
imagine boston trio going against kidd/jeff/vc trio... what a division match it's gonna be
although, i'm bit worried that prime days of those veterans might be well behind
there is a chance any 1 of these superstars will decline due to decreased # of touches
but my prospect for boston right now is definitely one of top 3 in east

ps: hibbert is versatile 7'2" Center. any team should be willing to take chance on a rare talent like him. definitely in top 5 picks.

by **Silas** on Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:59 am

maceo24 wrote: Anyone that would pull KG out of the lane to defend them is a problem, cause there goes the rebounding edge. Although Pierce is no slouch down there either...

Exactly, one can say that their rebounding could suffer if Garnett was drawn the perimeter, but Pierce in my opinion is one of the best if not the best rebounding small forward in the league. I don't think their rebounding will suffer unless they play a team that has two players whom KG and PP will both have to guard, that only sit on the perimeter, and I can't think of a team like that except possibly the Sonics with Durant and Green. Even Dirk doesn't spend the game at the perimeter. Most of his scoring is done at the high post.

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