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Postby LakersRule24 on Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:08 am

Horry is better than Jordan in the clutch in a spot up situation. But if I needed someone to create a shot in a clutch situation, I would pick Jordan over Horry. Horry is more of a spot up shooter while Jordan is a guy that creates his plays off the dribble. So you can't really compare their clutch ability and say who's better.
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Postby nylia on Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:23 am

lakerskobe247 wrote:Horry is better than Jordan in the clutch in a spot up situation. But if I needed someone to create a shot in a clutch situation, I would pick Jordan over Horry. Horry is more of a spot up shooter while Jordan is a guy that creates his plays off the dribble. So you can't really compare their clutch ability and say who's better.
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I'd pick Jordan 100% of the time. Although, wouldn't it be great if Horry played with MJ? MAN!!!! Bulls would never lose a close game :cool:

Anyways, MJ is one of the best clutch players in the game to date. Everyone would give it to MJ, even today's superstars would let MJ shoot it.
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Postby Laxation on Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:04 am

Sauru wrote:whats the point in starting such a stupid topic? to watch people argue about how stupid it is to even think something like that let alone say it? the worst poster of the year award is getting some new comptition

nah man, this topic is totally open for some awesome unsarcastic discussion
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Postby scrub on Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:48 am

I don't wanna take this thread seriously but Horry is just a role player. He has only averaged 7 points over his career. Case closed.
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Postby Silas on Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:37 pm

So this means that Devean George = Kobe Bryant
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Postby Laxation on Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:46 pm

weejontee wrote:I don't wanna take this thread seriously

thats probably a really good idea...
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Postby Martti. on Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:46 pm

Oberto > Garnett...

Jordan was MVP in all does series..

And Jordan was much more of a clutch-player then Horry..
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Postby Scotty on Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:34 pm

I Hope everyone knows that Amphatoast wasn't serious....
He knows more about Basketball and the NBA than most here and i got a good laugh out of it, but some of the posts in this thread indicate that they don't know he's joking... :wink:
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Postby Sauru on Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:33 pm

the point remains, he started a useless thread.
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Postby rl564411 on Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:17 pm

Just because Horry has more rings doesn't mean he's better! He's just very lucky since he was in the right places at the right time! Also, he's not a MVP!
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Postby Gundy on Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:30 pm

rl564411 wrote:Just because Horry has more rings doesn't mean he's better! He's just very lucky since he was in the right places at the right time! Also, he's not a MVP!


:shake: Just...kill yourself.
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Postby rl564411 on Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:07 pm

[quote="Gundy"][quote="rl564411"]Just because Horry has more rings doesn't mean he's better! He's just very lucky since he was in the right places at the right time! Also, he's not a MVP![/quote]

:shake: Just...kill yourself.[/quote]

wtf :?
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Postby Gundy on Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:12 pm

Are you that dense?
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Postby --- on Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:28 pm

He has "T-Mac" "We Are All Witnesses" then a picture of Dwyane Wade in his sig. I think it's safe to say he is.
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Postby cyanide on Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:07 pm

:lol: Amazing how some people would freak out when Jordan's name is thrown in there.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:28 pm

lakerskobe247 wrote:Horry is better than Jordan in the clutch in a spot up situation. But if I needed someone to create a shot in a clutch situation, I would pick Jordan over Horry. Horry is more of a spot up shooter while Jordan is a guy that creates his plays off the dribble. So you can't really compare their clutch ability and say who's better.


I think you can easily compare their clutch ability and nominate the better clutch player. Whether you create a play off a dribble or get fed the ball for a game winning shot, it still comes down to making it and Michael Jordan did both throughout his career. I would rank MJ, Bird and Miller as being better clutch shooters than Horry simply because of the sheer number of times they won games with shots in the final seconds or as time expired, despite the fact everyone knew they would get the ball and the defense was ready for them.

Beyond that, clutch ability is more than simply a list of game winners. It's the ability to rise to the occasion in crucial situations as much as it's about hitting the shot in the waning seconds of a game.
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Postby LakersRule24 on Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:44 pm

Andrew wrote:
lakerskobe247 wrote:Horry is better than Jordan in the clutch in a spot up situation. But if I needed someone to create a shot in a clutch situation, I would pick Jordan over Horry. Horry is more of a spot up shooter while Jordan is a guy that creates his plays off the dribble. So you can't really compare their clutch ability and say who's better.


I think you can easily compare their clutch ability and nominate the better clutch player. Whether you create a play off a dribble or get fed the ball for a game winning shot, it still comes down to making it and Michael Jordan did both throughout his career. I would rank MJ, Bird and Miller as being better clutch shooters than Horry simply because of the sheer number of times they won games with shots in the final seconds or as time expired, despite the fact everyone knew they would get the ball and the defense was ready for them.

Beyond that, clutch ability is more than simply a list of game winners. It's the ability to rise to the occasion in crucial situations as much as it's about hitting the shot in the waning seconds of a game.

Different situations. Jordan usually has to create his own shot in the clutch, lowering his clutch percentage. Horry gets his shots off penentration, that's why he shoots like 80% in the clutch. But at the same time, Jordan is the one that shoots the clutch shoot nearly every single time, which gives him a better chance to have more GW shots. Horry only gets the ball whenever he is open on a penentration. It's kind of like comparing Kobe's 81 and Wilt's 100.
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:13 pm

One could argue that being the focus of the defense and having to create your own shot is more difficult than being a role player who benefits from open looks created by superstar teammates. That's not to downplay Horry's abilities because it still takes skill and great nerve to knock down game winning shots the way he has done in his career, but his role affords him certain luxuries that the likes of Jordan, Bird, Miller and more recently Kobe do not have. They may get more opportunities which does open up the possibility of a greater number of game winning shots, but that doesn't make them any easier.

But as I said, clutch ability isn't just about hitting game winning shots. A clutch performance doesn't necessarily have to end with a player winning the game for his team with a last second shot; an impressive fourth quarter performance leading to victory is still a display of clutch ability, even if the game doesn't come down to the final possession. Again, not to take anything away from Horry's shooting in the clutch but the way in which the great players are (or were) able to lift their game time and time again is an even more impressive feat.
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Postby Scotty on Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:41 pm

rl564411 wrote:Just because Horry has more rings doesn't mean he's better! He's just very lucky since he was in the right places at the right time! Also, he's not a MVP!


Gundy wrote: :shake: Just...kill yourself.


rl564411 wrote:wtf :?


Me wrote:I Hope everyone knows that Amphatoast wasn't serious....
He knows more about Basketball and the NBA than most here and i got a good laugh out of it, but some of the posts in this thread indicate that they don't know he's joking... :wink:


There's your answer :wink:
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Postby MaD_hAND1e on Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:50 pm

rl564411 wrote:Just because Horry has more rings doesn't mean he's better! He's just very lucky since he was in the right places at the right time! Also, he's not a MVP!


Hmmm, lets just imagine a scenario.. where Horry is in the team that won 4 straight close games, and he made all the game winning 3s, but hadn't scored the rest of those games. Would he get the finals MVP?
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Postby Sauru on Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:39 pm

yeah i dont get why people even think horry is clutch, he will hit 1 shot, even if it is a big shot, its just the one. the players who step it up big time in the last 5 minutes are more clutch than horry. this guy has a underserved rep as mr big shot just cause he has made a few at the end of the game. like andrew said its a great thing to do but i dont really think he is clutch at all
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Postby cyanide on Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:38 am

Sauru wrote:yeah i dont get why people even think horry is clutch, he will hit 1 shot, even if it is a big shot, its just the one. the players who step it up big time in the last 5 minutes are more clutch than horry. this guy has a underserved rep as mr big shot just cause he has made a few at the end of the game. like andrew said its a great thing to do but i dont really think he is clutch at all


It's just that this one shot could potentially change the entire series, and he had done it a few times. Like that shot when he was a Laker... I could never forget that.
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Postby LakersRule24 on Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:04 am

Sauru wrote:yeah i dont get why people even think horry is clutch, he will hit 1 shot, even if it is a big shot, its just the one. the players who step it up big time in the last 5 minutes are more clutch than horry. this guy has a underserved rep as mr big shot just cause he has made a few at the end of the game. like andrew said its a great thing to do but i dont really think he is clutch at all

That's not the point. He shoots like 80% on GW shots. That is clutch. But I don't think you can compare that to someone like MJ or Reggie.
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Postby Sauru on Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:46 am

i dont think he shoots anything near 80% on game winners, maybe game winners that happened to be televised nationally but even then i doubt it
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Postby LakersRule24 on Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:52 am

The only GW I remember him miss is the one at San Antonio.
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