LeBron James: No Respect?

[Laxation]

It helps to have a retard for a coach who won't change the defence...

He scores 29/30 points, and Flip doesnt change the defence. It cant be that fucking hard to draw up a double team

[Indy]

LeBron isnt a player, hes a fucking product. Thanks Stern, you've wrecked basketball for me.

That's not LeBron's fault.

[Sauru]

LeBron isnt a player, hes a fucking product. Thanks Stern, you've wrecked basketball for me.

really you could go and say the same of jordan if you wanted to. infact you could say that about alot of players if you really wanted to.

[Laxation]

The rules have been changed to stop team basketball, instead theyre promoting a single player winning. I can't stand it.

Flopping doesnt help either, while Im bitching about things...

[Elbeen]

like him or hate him, nuff said

[Sauru]

The rules have been changed to stop team basketball, instead theyre promoting a single player winning. I can't stand it.

Flopping doesnt help either, while Im bitching about things...

true on both parts

[Matt]

Jordan started the "product" didn't he?

[Sauru]

yeah thanks to jordan and ewing every single kid i grew up with was able to have a pair of shoes, or 10

[magius]

flopping has been going downhill since the jordan rules and the nba softening up the rules to protect mj from detroit. If you don't want flopping, you have to allow for very physical basketball, and, contrary to popular belief, bowen, artest or any other premier tough d wing don't even scratch the surface in their current incarnations imo. its a two way street. saying a player, for example, cant jump into another player, initiating contact, places the very foundation of the law on subjectivity; it must be based on simpler, more general rules to work. Law must be based on solid principles, because subjectivity inevitablty will always follow; to rely on "common sense" through and through is asking for disaster imho.

that said i think the rules are set in place to protect players, not gift shots to star players; their have been star players of at least equal calibre statistically in the past.

[Laxation]

flopping has been going downhill since the jordan rules and the nba softening up the rules to protect mj from detroit. If you don't want flopping, you have to allow for very physical basketball, and, contrary to popular belief, bowen, artest or any other premier tough d wing don't even scratch the surface in their current incarnations imo. its a two way street. saying a player, for example, cant jump into another player, initiating contact, places the very foundation of the law on subjectivity; it must be based on simpler, more general rules to work. Law must be based on solid principles, because subjectivity inevitablty will always follow; to rely on "common sense" through and through is asking for disaster imho.

that said i think the rules are set in place to protect players, not gift shots to star players; their have been star players of at least equal calibre statistically in the past.

Protect MJ from detroit. IE stop a team winning, instead allowing the single player to do so.

Of course, MJ was fucking unbeleivable and probly would have won anyway... the help wasn't needed.
And it was Riley's Knicks who did the worst damage

[Laxation]

I am not watching the NBA until they introduce rules to stop flopping.

If Varejao somehow succumbs to a career ending injury (praise god) during the finals, I will watch the games after he is finished.

[Sauru]

I am not watching the NBA until they introduce rules to stop flopping.

If Varejao somehow succumbs to a career ending injury (praise god) during the finals, I will watch the games after he is finished.

we are agonna have a flop off in the nba finals. which team can flail around like a bunch of idiots more and take the series.

[Its_asdf]

fucing varejao i s alittle pussy shit with his broom like hair i hate the son of a btich . He should win an amacademy award lozl

[el badman]

Damn, you guys are blowing this out of proportion. It's not like you have 2 amateur teams finding themselves in the finals by miracle, or because they simply know how to exploit controversial rules. You can bitch about Bowen and Ginobili all you want, you can blame LeBron for "ruining" the game cuz he's too good when isolated, that doesn't really justify "not watching" the finals to make some kind of statement...
SA has the best fundamentals and plays the best academic basketball in the league, period, and the Cavs are a young athletic team led by one of the greatest players in the game, it should still give us some interesting finals I think.

[Patr1ck]

I think the only "rule" regarding flopping would be to recognize a flop and make a no call.

[el badman]

I think the only "rule" regarding flopping would be to recognize a flop and make a no call.

I'm not denying that, it can certainly ruin the game and hopefully the league will figure it out soon, I was just saying that selecting scapegoats and choosing to boycott some games because of that seems a bit excessive.

[Patr1ck]

Oh, I wasn't replying directly to you. That's just my opinion about flopping/officiating. I think with the Cavs in the finals, we will atleast get some exciting dunks.

[el badman]

Sorry man
Well, as a Spurs fan I kinda hope LeBron won't get to drive and dunk like he did in the last 3 games...
But it should be interesting to see these 2 very different teams fight for the title.

[Laxation]

Damn, you guys are blowing this out of proportion. It's not like you have 2 amateur teams finding themselves in the finals by miracle, or because they simply know how to exploit controversial rules. You can bitch about Bowen and Ginobili all you want, you can blame LeBron for "ruining" the game cuz he's too good when isolated, that doesn't really justify "not watching" the finals to make some kind of statement...
SA has the best fundamentals and plays the best academic basketball in the league, period, and the Cavs are a young athletic team led by one of the greatest players in the game, it should still give us some interesting finals I think.

Bowen and Ginobili are fine. Its Varejao I hate. And the refs even more for not doing something about it.

One the play that eventuated in Sheed getting ejected today (we had already lost by this stage) Varejao flops away from the direction Sheed was going. It was sooo fucking obviously a flop, and should've been a no-call. Instead it wasn't and Sheed blew his top (rightfully so)

A no-call on a flop isnt enough. Tech fouls should be given. I realise this will end up being just another subjective call that ends up being bitched and moaned about, but it surely has to work on some level...

[Patr1ck]

How about this flop? Re-watch the double overtime part of game 5 and there is this play where Lebron drives to the rack out of control into two players and just dives and tosses the ball up, but gets the call. It's so obvious when you see the replay from the baseline camera view. You can see the play at the 10:20 mark. The baseline view is at 11:10.

[The X]

The rules have been changed to stop team basketball, instead theyre promoting a single player winning. I can't stand it.

Flopping doesnt help either, while Im bitching about things...

that's why I follow college basketball a lot more than NBA....sure the level of talent isn't there, but it seems to be more about team basketball....

[dan_suth]

While I consider Varejao one of the bigger floppers in the league, I don't think that play where he drew the charge on Rasheed was a flop. It looked to me like he was guarding 'Sheed tightly, and 'Sheed initiated contact by going right into him. Maybe it wasn't enough to knock his ass on the ground, but I'm sure that many of the players in the league would have gone down to the floor in that same position.

[Laxation]

Maybe it wasn't enough to knock his ass on the ground,

Exactly. There was no contact there. By the time he flopped over, Sheed was already turning...

[1CenT]

The rules have been changed to stop team basketball, instead theyre promoting a single player winning. I can't stand it.

Flopping doesnt help either, while Im bitching about things...

that's why I follow college basketball a lot more than NBA....sure the level of talent isn't there, but it seems to be more about team basketball....

How often do you see a single player "winning it"
Look at tonight.. how many points did Lebron score?
Look at the Pistons and Spurs...
Look at LA and Kobe, u got 1 person up there alright... are they winning? Are you on crack? Wake up this is team basketball.. i think Kevin Durant and Melo showed what super talent is like in an inferior (talent-wise) league/game(college) ...


Lebron did it in game 5... he showed how much bigger, stronger, faster and skilled(not exactly, but he was on fire alright)...

Why many experts and non experts kept our jaws opened for hours and hours is because it doesn't happen very often..

[Andrew]

A no-call on a flop isnt enough. Tech fouls should be given. I realise this will end up being just another subjective call that ends up being bitched and moaned about, but it surely has to work on some level...

In my opinion assessing a technical foul on flops is just going to slow the game up and cause even more problems as what constitutes a flop is going to vary from referee to referee. A non-call can effectively punish a player (and hence his team) for flopping on defense by allowing play to go on with a defender on the floor and out of the play giving up a wide open jumper or path to the hoop. Similarly, a player who throws up a wild shot on a wild flail intended to draw a foul will be punished by the non-call by a wasted possession.

If there's no reward for it, there's no incentive to do it.