Amare calls Bowen, Ginobili, Spurs "dirty"

[Sauru]

its pretty bad that they just let him get away with it

[dan_suth]

As ugly as it is, you have to admit Bowen does a great job of making it look unintentional. It seems like every time he does something questionable there just isn't enough evidence to prove that he's doing it on purpose. You'd think that the NBA would do something about it by now, especially with his rapsheet over the years.

[Sauru]

i agree that he does do a good job hideing it, though imo the amare kick was flat out obvious

[ronaldo_VII]

bowen is a dirty defender

[Colin]

Bruce Bowen is a filthy human being

[Axel]

oh Colin still exists.

wb.

[Lamrock]

It is shit like this that stop me from having any respect for the Spurs.

[Matt]

though imo the amare kick was flat out obvious

it was, but the bastard had his head up which makes it tougher to convict him, even though everyon knows he's guilty.

[galvatron3000]

Guys, I have to admit, I just don't agree with the Bowen comments. Dirty, you guys must be too young and don't know what dirty is all about. Detroit "Bad Boys' of the late 80's, that's dirty and by far the standard for what a dirty team or player should resemble. Bowen doesn't come close. What Bowen does is try to make players think about things, that's not dirty. The intent is to make a player wonder where his foot is when he lands, not make him fall or injure himself. It is a close line but not dirty. I think Bwoen wanted Amare' to feel where he was, to rethink about going for the dunk because of his concern for landing on Bowen's foot. Yeah, it looks suspicious and Bowen can't admit that much because of public scrutiny but that's not a dirty play, it's smart. Sometimes in doing that it can be iffy but while Bowen is building a reputation I've seen other players doing similiar but because they don't win, have rings or are lesser known people say absolutely nothing. I respect Raja Bell's stance on it, but he was very animated doing Game 3 with jawing with Bowen, that's how you respond. Ginobili summed it best in his play after the non-foul call after getting his eye raked. Amare' loses credibility just for calling Ginobili dirty, get real. That's a joke in itself but I bet half the peole watching believe Ginobili is a dirty player now, just because Amare' said it and he's on America's team. How many saw the block by Tim & Horry but they gave them a foul, another play similiar happened later but no call but the commentator (JON BARRY) was adamant about it should have been a foul called, you can't let that happened in a game. No one said that a foul shouldn't have been called when there was no foul. Refs are going to miss and make bad calls. It's the playoffs, players are working public perception, refs judgment and the league front office with their complaints.


P. S. No one called Ginobili dirty or a flopper until George Karl in the 2005 playoffs, now he has that label because of that. Phil Jackson is the master of ref interpretations of calls leading into the nest game of a series or before a series even begins, it's called working the refs over. It's the PLAYOFFS. Your favorite teams should be taking notes instead of complaining about stuff that won't be changing soon.

[Matt]

league going to investigate bowen

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2 ... id=2869495

[Andrew]

Guys, I have to admit, I just don't agree with the Bowen comments. Dirty, you guys must be too young and don't know what dirty is all about. Detroit "Bad Boys' of the late 80's, that's dirty and by far the standard for what a dirty team or player should resemble.

I agree that many incidents and flagrant fouls that are called today pale in comparison to the tactics of the Bad Boys, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't dirty in their own right.

Bowen doesn't come close. What Bowen does is try to make players think about things, that's not dirty. The intent is to make a player wonder where his foot is when he lands, not make him fall or injure himself. It is a close line but not dirty. I think Bwoen wanted Amare' to feel where he was, to rethink about going for the dunk because of his concern for landing on Bowen's foot. Yeah, it looks suspicious and Bowen can't admit that much because of public scrutiny but that's not a dirty play, it's smart.

I would suggest that when a player sweeps his leg underneath an airborne player, positions himself so that a player lands on his foot or connects on a flying kick to the head, he's doing more than just making his opponent think.

P. S. No one called Ginobili dirty or a flopper until George Karl in the 2005 playoffs, now he has that label because of that. Phil Jackson is the master of ref interpretations of calls leading into the nest game of a series or before a series even begins, it's called working the refs over. It's the PLAYOFFS. Your favorite teams should be taking notes instead of complaining about stuff that won't be changing soon.

I wouldn't say Ginobili is a dirty player but his reputation as a flopper is justified. It may well be a label that's stuck after Karl's complaints in 2005 but nevertheless it stuck for a reason.

[super_man322000]

its called something like harden the fuck up! refs still have to call it but they have to keep playing thats wat i love about bowen he gets in there head and puts them off there game...but he shouldnt injure on propose.

[Metsis]

Positioning a leg so that the offensive player will come down bad from a jump shot is just bad defense... Go up and contest shot if youre such a big shot defensive player... But putting your leg down there on purpose is just an accident waiting to happen... You never know what people do with their feet in the air...

This happens purely accidentially from time to time and its always sad since its something that shouldn't happen at all... This game drives people to their limits and ball players are hurt often enough without plays like these... There simply is no room for leg sweeps and face pokes in the game... And its just sad to see good defensive players result to these sorts of plays.

Some of the players like Bowen without a doubt do absolutely everything they can get away with... Which is so wrong. You should have enough respect for other people that you would try to play the game as cleanly as possible and know when you are beat, and not try to underhand great offensive plays by doing a dirty trick. That's just something that shouldn't be involved in any major sports... If your beat, draw a clear foul and stop the play and don't try to get away with something as dirty as placing your foot under a shooting player...

I can tell you that it's not fun sitting on the sidelines for 3 months after an errand foot placed under you while you are shooting, going for a rebound etc...

I would still like to believe that Bowen doesn't neccesarily place his leg under shooters on purpose... I would, but there just is too much evidence pointing to the contrary... Playing a tightly contested face-up defense results in this happening from time to time, but you should never jump so that you end up in another persons space and that should always be a foul...

Kicks Amare on the leg in game 2, knees Nash in the groin in game 3... What other evidence is needed??? The Amare kick was clearly intentional... Open and shut case...

[Its_asdf]

There has been so many players complaining and so many games where he's done this that I think something should be done. I remember Stu Jackson saying that they are watching Bowen more closely with a tighter leash but I still haven't seen any action coming from the refs or the NBA.

[Matt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UynFKOdfxXc

[el badman]

Really not convinced by that last video. It must have happened to a zillion defenders, but because it's Bowen we should investigate his action, call the IRS on him, deport his housemaid and seize all his possessions.
This is getting way out of hands...

[shadowgrin]

Putting a foot under the shooter is standard operating procedure for Bowen.
VC doesn't take that shite.
Bowen does it against NYK, twice.
More blatant.

I liked how Isiah reacted in one of the videos. If anyone knows dirty tricks, the leader of the Bad Boys knows it.
Bowen is definitely guilty.

[dan_suth]

Spurs' Bowen To Play Game 4
14th May, 2007 - 3:53 pm
Yahoo Sports -
Bruce Bowen will play for the Spurs in Game 4 of the Western Conference semifinals against the Suns on Monday night, the NBA office decided today.

After reviewing Bowen's third-quarter knee to the groin of the Suns' Steve Nash in Game 3 on Saturday, NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson upgraded the foul call on Bowen to a "Flagrant Foul 1" for the play. It carries no suspension.

Bowen apologized for the shot on Nash, insisting it was unintentional.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... ay_game_4/

Well, even though there's virtually no punishment for the knee to the groin, at the very least this probably means that the next time Bowen tries something sketchy he will face a harsher punishment. I'm glad that they are finally looking into it and "realizing" that he has had several dirty plays in the past... but I am kind of disappointed that he's gotten away with so much in this series' first 3 games so far.

[galvatron3000]

Well, I do believe players are dirty these days, the most recent being Danny Fortson, who by far is the dirtiest player I can think of in the league today.

Flopping is something lots of players do in the league, Ginolbili is not the the poster child for flops, IMO. We can complie a list of players here for flops that go "unnoticed"

If you don;t like Bowen you must really hate Rodman, either with the Pistons or Bulls because he did more than Bowen or pretty close to the same.

[Sauru]

i think you are way off galvatron. sure rodman was dirty, half the teams in the 80's where dirty, hell my fav team ever might be the dirtiest team ever, that does not lessen what bowen does. he is trying to hurt people. he sticks his foot under people, thats not trying to get them to think, thats trying to take them out of the game and the series. is only been 2 games and he has already tried to hurt 2 of the suns best players.


Ginobili may not be the worst flopper in the league but he is easily top 10. there are alot of floppers in the game today and until the nba changes its rules its a good tactic, i mean wade won the finals from flopping. i personally put the blame from the flop on miller and divac. those 2 were 2 of the worst floppers ever and since it worked for them(divac on defense and miller on offense) it has taken the league over.

[galvatron3000]

i think you are way off galvatron. sure rodman was dirty, half the teams in the 80's where dirty, hell my fav team ever might be the dirtiest team ever, that does not lessen what bowen does. he is trying to hurt people. he sticks his foot under people, thats not trying to get them to think, thats trying to take them out of the game and the series. is only been 2 games and he has already tried to hurt 2 of the suns best players.


Ginobili may not be the worst flopper in the league but he is easily top 10. there are alot of floppers in the game today and until the nba changes its rules its a good tactic, i mean wade won the finals from flopping. i personally put the blame from the flop on miller and divac. those 2 were 2 of the worst floppers ever and since it worked for them(divac on defense and miller on offense) it has taken the league over.

I totally agree with you on the flops. I don't think Bowen is trying to hurt anyone though. Rodman on the other hand, not sure what he was trying to do other than get into people's head, which he easily succeeded at doing on most occassions.

[Colin]

Robert Horry is a filthy human being

[dizzle]

lol, he should play hockey

[Axel]

That would be some shit if they were both suspended.

Which is absolutely why they will be suspended.

Leave it up to Stu Jackson and David Stern to turn a blind eye to Bowen but suspend Diaw and Stoudemire. Anyone besides me notice how far they actually were away from the play? They got up, and then went back. There was a huge wall of coaches between them and the action.

The NBA needs to really take a close look and ask itself whether or not it's worth fucking up the only good series in the playoffs to get really picky on a particular rule. I know one thing, I won't be watching anymore playoff action if the Suns get knocked out due to this.

[c0nr4d]

lol...nice two comments Col

did y'all see the interview with Nash after the game? he was saying that Horry "body-checked" him and he has "been workin on his guns to do somethin back, but he was still seein' stars"

I love me some Steve Nash