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[scubilete]

he was the best point guard of the 1990's and 3rd best guard overall behind michael jordan and clyde drexler

Is really difficult not to include Richmond before Hardaway as a top guard, even the same Reggie would get there, I don't think Hardaway should be mentioned among the best guards other than PG. So let's leave him in his category.

He was a great player and had great moves but I don't see his number being retired by any team he has played. With GS he was almost every year injured, also in GS, "R. Barry" I guess they retired his jersey there, they should retire Mullin's if they haven't done it, but "Hardaway", would you compare the greatness of those 2 mentioned with Hardaway?

At least KJ was mostly in charge of the whole team every year, taking them to the playoffs with some help but he was doing almost everything, just like Kidd is doing in NJ. But Hardaway, having good teammates he couldn't get anywhere. Specially if you call those Warriors, Mullin & Richmond were there, 3 players averaging 20+ ppg something you don't see today and would guarantee you at least a trip to the Finals conference, he couldn't guide that team anywhere.

[michael myers]

Is really difficult not to include Richmond before Hardaway as a top guard

hardly, all richmond did was shoot the ball. However he was good enough to be 3rd best shooting guard of the 1990's

[/quote]Reggie would get there

what, for catching the ball after 3 screens and shooting open 3's for a career? i don't think so

With GS he was almost every year injured

where do u get this shit from? he averaged 74 games per season at golden state

Specially if you call those Warriors, Mullin & Richmond were there, 3 players averaging 20+ ppg something you don't see today and would guarantee you at least a trip to the Finals conference, he couldn't guide that team anywhere.

1. its conference finals
2. who did the golden state have besides the big 3? fukn marciulionis?

[GloveGuy]

For the East(when with the Heat), Tim Hardway was the best point guard in the 90's. Maybe Anfernee Hardway could be tied with him. But Hardway was part of Run TMC and has to get his props. But top pg of the 90's? No way. Either Gary Payton or John Stockton. Hardway did start for the West in 92-93 but gave the spot to Magic.

Reggie Miller is definitely one of the best SG's in the 90's. What position was he? SHOOTING guard. He's one of the most clutch players of all time.

So, Mike Myers, just because someone is a shooter does that mean that they aren't great? You might want to think that over.

[michael myers]

[gayguy wrote]Hardway did start for the West in 92-93 but gave the spot to Magic.
[/quote]
what has this got to do with anything?

[gayguy wrote]So, Mike Myers, just because someone is a shooter does that mean that they aren't great? You might want to think that over.[/quote]

they have to be good at something else besides catching and shooting the basketball to be regarded as great

[bballer22]

as far a reggie goes, there is no question thast his the best clutch shooter TOGETHER with michael. all that "after 3 screen" is a bullshit that ur making up, his shooting wau no doupt the best in the 90's.

as far as Tim Hardway, its up to the team, maybe they had a few disageements that we dont know about ot something.
clir mulling should defietly have been retired, i mean, dan marjly got retired coz he was the most popular guy????!!!!! what the!!!!?????

[michael myers]

his shooting wau no doupt the best in the 90's

maybe so...but even if that is true i still don't put him in my top 30 players on that fact alone

clir mulling

[scubilete]

However he was good enough to be 3rd best shooting guard of the 1990's

No, he was the 3rd best guard, if you are ranking MJ & Drexler 1st & 2nd, then 3rd & 4th would belong to Reggie and Mitch, way back in the list would appear Tim when talking about Guards in general, if talking about PG only, I agree Tim was one of the top PGs.

what, for catching the ball after 3 screens and shooting open 3's for a career? i don't think so

And for hitting those shots as well, for taking his team every year to the conf. finals and for being that superstar everyone would love to have in their team.

where do u get this shit from? he averaged 74 games per season at golden state

No, my question is where did you get that thing from?, I placed this for you to know where I got that from, then you can tell me where did you get yours?.

Hardaway with GS
89-90 (79 games)
90-91 (82 games)
91-92 (81 games) good so far, let's see now
92-93 (66 games)
93-94 (none, 0 games)
94-95 (62 games)

That's where I got mine, where did you get yours?

2. who did the golden state have besides the big 3? fukn marciulionis?

Wasn't Marciulionis an all-star in GS?. Well, those in bold I'm going to show you, were scoring 10+ points per game and those not in bold near the same amount, that's beside the 20 Hardaway & Mullin scoring each one & Marciulionis who was adding a score near that as well.

Besides Mullin & Marciulionis Tim had (B. Owens, R. Higgins, C. Gattling, Tyrone Hill, Super Mario Elie). Another year He had (Spree, Owens, V. Alexander, Gattling & T. Hill) Besides Mullin & Marciulionis. Year following his injury he had (Spree, Gattling, Guggliotta, R. Pierce, R. Seikaly, V. Alexander) Besides Mullin.

2. who did the golden state have besides the big 3? fukn marciulionis?

No, those mentioned as well, right now there's no team in the league that can be compared to those Warriors in scoring.

[michael myers]

Michael wrote:

first i'll ask how do you guys put a name where it says quote for me

Michael wrote:
However he was good enough to be 3rd best shooting guard of the 1990's


No, he was the 3rd best guard, if you are ranking MJ & Drexler 1st & 2nd, then 3rd & 4th would belong to Reggie and Mitch

i was talking about mitch richmond being the 3rd best shooting guard of the 90's

for taking his team every year to the conf. finals

since when was 4 out of 10 'every year'?

That's where I got mine, where did you get yours?

u didn't mention 'where' you got your info....what your info says to me is that hardaway was basically majorly injured only 1 season and besides this one season he is consistant

Wasn't Marciulionis an all-star in GS?.

if he was he shouldn't have been.

Besides Mullin & Marciulionis Tim had (B. Owens, R. Higgins, C. Gattling, Tyrone Hill, Super Mario Elie).

only good players out of them at that time was owens and gatling

Another year He had (Spree, Owens, V. Alexander, Gattling & T. Hill) Besides Mullin & Marciulionis

this is spree's rookie season, also the year marciulionis and owens both played 37 games. gatling and hill are nobodies this yr

following his injury he had (Spree, Gattling, Guggliotta, R. Pierce, R. Seikaly, V. Alexander) Besides Mullin

gugliotta played 40 games. pierce played 27. seikaly 36. mullin 25.

[Colin]

first i'll ask how do you guys put a name where it says quote for me

In the first quote thing [quote] put [quote="who you want it to say"] For example to put michael, type [quote="michael"] that's what I did above.

[michael myers]

that's what I did above.

[michael myers]

thanks

[Colin]

np

[scubilete]

what your info says to me is that hardaway was basically majorly injured only 1 season and besides this one season he is consistant

No, it should say to you that he was injured constantly like I said before. And I got that info from his profile.

if he was he shouldn't have been.

Well, like stated before, we can't do anything to avoid it, that's the managers decision to choice who they are taking to the all stars after the starting 5 is set.

only good players out of them at that time was owens and gatling

Like I said those in bold were scoring 10+ per game, that's besides 20+ for Mullin & Hardaway & 18 for Marciulionis. V. Alexander was doing it there as well and I consider Mario Elie a good player as well, T. Hill was scoring 8 and he was a good rebounder & defensive player there.

this is spree's rookie season, also the year marciulionis and owens both played 37 games. gatling and hill are nobodies this yr

I agree those 2 were injured but why would you insists saying that Gattling & Hill were nobody that year when Hill was getting 10 rebs per game & scoring near 10 points as well as Gattling? But yes, I agree that was a very bad year for the Warriors cause injuries, I just mentioned those cause you asked what the teammates were.

gugliotta played 40 games. pierce played 27. seikaly 36. mullin 25

Gugg played 77 games that year and it's not my fault GS was going thru so many injuries, again I just mentioned the other players they had like you asked.

GS record when Tim was out for the full season was (50-32), the only year with winning record since Mitch left that team and I wouldn't say it was cause all other players played full season cause then it would leave Tim as the bad luck player "a good reason to get rid of him" .

[michael myers]

Gugg played 77 games that year

'gugg' played 40 games for golden state remember? the team we are typing about? those other 37 games he played for minnesota, so how would this have an impact on the warriors?

GS record when Tim was out for the full season was (50-32), the only year with winning record since Mitch left that team

wrong again...1992 golden state recorded 55 wins, hardaway/mullin 2 of top 12 players in the NBA that year

2 reasons why golden state won that many games in 1994 (the year he was injured):
-chris webber ROY
- the emergence of latrell sprewell

[scubilete]

so how would this have an impact on the warriors?

You are complaining that Hardaway didn't have players on his team or that those were shit of players, so when people brings you fact then you would complain for something else?

wrong again...1992 golden state recorded 55 wins, hardaway/mullin 2 of top 12 players in the NBA that year

Oh sorry, forgot that was the year "funk?" Marciulionis came big as an all-star as well.

2 reasons why golden state won that many games in 1994 (the year he was injured):
-chris webber ROY
- the emergence of latrell sprewell

So that means the reason why GS didn't win so many games when Tim came back was that the ROY went to Washington? cause obviously they still had Spree there. Oh well, let's suppose then the great one in the team was Webber, not Hardaway.

tim hardaway deserves his number to be retired by golden state he was the best point guard of the 1990's and 3rd best guard overall behind michael jordan and clyde drexler

since when was 4 out of 10 'every year'?

That last sentence there killed your first statement saying Tim was the best guard overall behind MJ & Clyde Drexler since the best years of Tim were with GS and he didn't have more than 4 years good there in the 90s, even when you were wrong cause obviously he was not even the best PG of the 90's.

I know you have your opinion about Hardaway career and I have mine. I agree he was an awesome player but I don't consider he did anything for GS retiring his Jersey.

[michael myers]

You are complaining that Hardaway didn't have players on his team or that those were shit of players, so when people brings you fact then you would complain for something else?

complaining? i'd hardly call it complaining. All i'm saying is that gugliotta played half a season in golden state that year, and you mention him as an integral part in the success of the team which he clearly wasn't by playing 40 games

So that means the reason why GS didn't win so many games when Tim came back was that the ROY went to Washington? cause obviously they still had Spree there

Losing a player such as Webber will damage a team considerably. Not only did they lose him they got basically nothing in return.
Also Chris Mullin played 25 games that year

[mp3]

back to the players missing in action....
did anyone every find harold miner?
what is Isaiah Rider really doing with himself?
wheres terry mills?
what about mark davis?
john wallace should get his arse back to the nba!!

[mp3]

if the warriors retire timmy's number because he was great for them then the knicks would have to retire john starks number

[scubilete]

I agree, but that would be even better for the Warriors, cause that would leave Mike Dunleavy Jr. without a jersey,

[Stevan]

John Starks was a role player in my opinion, although a pretty good one.

[mp3]

John Starks was a role player in my opinion, although a pretty good one.

thats right, starks was a good player for the knicks as was tim hardaway for the warriors but thats it, nothing eles nether won anything and dont deserver there numbers retired. not yet anyway

[Rens]

thats right, starks was a good player for the knicks as was tim hardaway for the warriors but thats it, nothing eles nether won anything and dont deserver there numbers retired. not yet anyway

The Warriors got 50+ wins with TimBug leading the way...

[Stevan]

I think Tim Hardaway was more than just a good player, he was the man in Goldenstate and Miami, and had he played his entire career with one team his number would be retired for sure. Anyway we can put all the number retirement talk on hold when it comes to Timmy becuase it looks like he's going to be a Pacer soon...

[alexboom]

excuse me for stopping the discussion about top pg's but i noticed that the CBA has a lot of ex NBA prospects or players. here's a partial list :

Darrick "MVP" Martin, Yakima 2003 champion
Andy Panko (some summer league and a stint with the Hawks), CBA MVP with Dakota Wizards
Anthony Goldwire, best scorer in playoffs with Yakima and 26 ppg
Jerald Honeycutt (Bucks and 76ers), Grand Rapids, 21,6 ppg
Reggie Jordan (TWolves) 20,8 ppg
Anthony Miller
Oliver Miller (the fat one - fomer Suns) 2nd rebounder in the league with 12,5 rpg, also 20 ppg
Olden Polynice (Sacto & Utah)
Mitchell Butler (Blazers)
Fred Vinson (seen with Sonics)
Antonio Harvey (Blazers - Hawks)
Corsley Edwards (53th pick in 2003 by Sacto)
Joe Crispin (24 assists in 1 game this year ! former Suns)
Miles Simon (Magic)
CHRIS PORTER (only 4 games with Dakota)
Carlos Strong
Junior Burrough (Celtics PF)
Erick Murdock (PG Bucks)
Ira Bowman (Atlanta and San Antonio)

and also : Tyson Wheeler (as tall as muggsy bogues but so quick !), malik dixon, ronnie fieldsn bryan notree, chris garner, derek grimm, galen young, nick sheppard, Corey Hightower, Ricky Price, Rosell Ellis (denver), ruben nembhard (bucks), john cocker (Center - Suns and other), Nick Davis, Korleone Young (Detroit), Mario Benett (only 4 games with Sioux Falls), Paul Shirley (C seen with Hawks this year), Paul McPherson (Golden State)

[alexboom]

And also in USBL there are some surprises :

Ousmane Cissé (Aderondack Wildcats)
John Starks : headcoach of Wetchester Wildlife
Keith Closs (former C with Clippers) : Pennsylvania Valleydawgs
YINKA DARE also plays for Pennsylvania !
Dennis Scott (Magic 3 pts shooter) : player/coach of Brevard Blue Ducks
Darryl Dawkins & Robert Parish have also been coach in USBL