It's Over..Don't even try ...Kobe MVP

by **Clinton** on Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:36 pm

also tonight IF shaq is out, they will lose to Utah.

Wrong.

by . on Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:03 pm

Fwark wrote:
ghettobplayer wrote:Ummm Kobe scroes 52 last night against Houston , what is that his 9th straight game with 35 or more , all he needs ias 5 more and he passes Wilt?

Wilt had 14 straight 40 or more point games. Kobe could break that theoretically. But Wilt did it twice in one season and had 63 40+ point games that year (45, 50+ if anyone cared, streaks of 7, 6, 5 and 5 straight). Wilt also racked up 65 straight games with 30+, missed a game, then rebounded with a streak of 31 more.

Maybe when Kobe gets close to most of that, you can start comparing those two...

you can never compare these 2 players........Wilt is a Center while Kobe is a guard

by **Drex** on Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:19 am

you can never compare these 2 players........Wilt is a Center while Kobe is a guard

he was comparing points, not positions

by . on Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:30 am

he said: Maybe when Kobe gets close to most of that, you can start comparing those two... but how can you compare a Center with a guard?

by **Boyk** on Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:35 am

big_stud12585 wrote:also tonight IF shaq is out, they will lose to Utah.

lol, how stupid do you look

by **benji** on Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:09 am

Kobe4mvp wrote:he said: Maybe when Kobe gets close to most of that, you can start comparing those two... but how can you compare a Center with a guard?

It's easy, you compare and contrast them. If you cannot compare Centers to Shooting Guards, then you cannot compare across positions, and you have to choose five of every individual award. :roll:

The fact is, when people didn't like some of us comparing Jordan to Wilt (and Jordan paled in comparison) so they came up with the idea that you cannot compare across positions, which would have also eliminated their argument that Jordan is the greatest of all time, considering if you cannot compare him to 80% of the league, then he can't be the greatest.

Like Andrex said, I was comparing Kobe to the greatest scorer in league history, because of the comment that Kobe might surpass Wilt's record (which I highly doubt, he will have to score 40+ over the next seven games, which looks extremely doubtful unless Jackson feeds him the ball in blowouts), I was not comparing Kobe's entire game to Wilt's entire game, since there's no point because Wilt crushes him.

by **Rens** on Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:10 am

Positions don't matter when comparing streaks of scoring... 40 points is 40 points no matter what positin you play :roll:

The only thing that could make a difference is that Wilt didn't have 3 pointers

by **Clinton** on Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:05 pm

The only thing that could make a difference is that Wilt didn't have 3 pointers

And Kobe doesn't have a height advantage over the rest of the league or the ability to dominate another team from 5 feet around the rim. No wonder Wilt had so many 40 point games. Wouldn't it make it a little harder for Kobe seen as though he doesn't score 95% points from right next to the basket?

by **Rens** on Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:01 pm

Clinton wrote:Wouldn't it make it a little harder for Kobe seen as though he doesn't score 95% points from right next to the basket?[/b]

No... since Wilt didn't do that either.

by **Clinton** on Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:43 pm

He didn't?.

by . on Sat Feb 22, 2003 9:13 pm

Yes he did

by **Tony** on Sat Feb 22, 2003 10:24 pm

No, he didn't.

by **JJcoolL** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 1:08 am

shut up

by **Boyk** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 2:32 am

Clinton wrote:
The only thing that could make a difference is that Wilt didn't have 3 pointers

And Kobe doesn't have a height advantage over the rest of the league or the ability to dominate another team from 5 feet around the rim. No wonder Wilt had so many 40 point games. Wouldn't it make it a little harder for Kobe seen as though he doesn't score 95% points from right next to the basket?

and also the 3secs rule wasnt around back then either i dont think, he just sat there and got easy baskets

by **Drex** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:43 am

and also the 3secs rule wasnt around back then either i dont think, he just sat there and got easy baskets

just like shaq :lol:

by **scubilete** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:55 am

Wouldn't it make it a little harder for Kobe seen as though he doesn't score 95% points from right next to the basket?

and also the 3secs rule wasnt around back then either i dont think, he just sat there and got easy baskets

When you score, no matter from where, you are doing it. Nobody is complaining that Kobe scores a lot from alley ups & 3 pointers and free throws. When Kobe scores, he does score from near the basket as well, he does score 3 pointers and he does score from free throws.

I don't know why are you guys complaining?, the biggest scoring machine in NBA history is Jabbar and he's not the one who owns all those records. Wilt was a bad free throw shooter, didn't have 3 points advantage, and still owns that record. You never like to give merits to those who deserve it, you are always complaining that he did it back in that time when there were no Shaq or Olajuwon, that was not their problem, they did it, it's up to these guys to accomplish it.

That's how records are set, I wouldn't get surprised if Kobe breaks this one of 14 consecutive scoring 40, but that's just to show these people who still believe those old guys did it cause they didn't have anyone who was guarding him, I wonder what will you say Clinton if Kobe does it? would you say that nobody was guarding Kobe, or that Kobe was just alone in the court? or that he did it just cause of the 3 pointers?, or would you give Kobe the credits when you haven't given those to the one who really owns the record?.

I don't understand. So if Kobe does it, he's great but if Wilt did it, he was just the only 7 footer around. Stop making excuses and give credit to those who deserve it, Wilt was not a good free throw shooter, didn't have 3 point shooting advantage cause at that time there was not 3 point line, don't you imagine that everyone was over Wilt, trying to stop him from scoring?

I'm going to ask you something, What if Shaq would be a 90% free throw shooter, wouldn't he be scoring 40 everyday?, and there's a bunch of 7+ footers in the league, what would your excuse be?. You have to understand, this is not a joke, the guy was Great and you just want to confuse things complaining that back then there were not tall guys.

by **benji** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 12:44 pm

Wilt didn't stand right next to the hoop and hoist it up, he had range approaching the three point line, and if there was a three point line, he would've dominated the game even more (with his passing to teammates) Wilt didn't have near the size advantage Shaq today has over his opponents. Kobe isn't being triple, quadruple and quintuple teamed. Kobe isn't being beaten-on. Kobe isn't having the rules changed overnight in a futile attempt to stop him. Wilt is the greatest scorer the NBA has seen to date. I don't believe Kobe will ever touch him. I also do not believe the 40 streak will continue (or the Lackers run, one will end) when considering the upcoming schedule.

by **magius** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:44 pm

kobes not mvp :cool:

52 against houston huh? who was guarding him? mobley? hahahahaaha. in The other games kobe scored 40+ shaq distracted the defense and kobe had to play one on one. It would be amazing to see how many iverson or tmac could put up if they werent doubled as soon as they touched the ball. shaq spreads the floor, kobe gets his point.

kobe = mvp? nope
shaq + kobe = mvp? of course :cool:

by . on Sun Feb 23, 2003 9:14 pm

everyone is talking about Kobe having the 3-point advantage, while he only scores like 2 or 3 every game

by **scubilete** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:47 pm

Well, you are complaining about Chamberlain being near the basket, why can't we complain about Kobe? Also, isn't Kobe the one who has scored more 3s in a single game while attempted 18?

by **Boyk** on Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:57 pm

scubilete wrote:Well, you are complaining about Chamberlain being near the basket, why can't we complain about Kobe? Also, isn't Kobe the one who has scored more 3s in a single game while attempted 18?

and he hit 12 so wots ur point?

and i dont care what you people say, its still harder for kobe to hit 40 than it was Wilt
Reasons: 1) Defense is better these days than it was back then. 2)there was no 3sec rule back in the day with wilt. 3)Kobe does it from all over the court, to the 3pnt line ot the mid range jumpers, where was wilt hittin them from? 3-8 feet, now ive heard he had a pretty good mid-range jumper, but c'mon at least 70% of the time he got the points from in close.

Even though i think Wilt is probably the best big man ever i mean to score 100pnts and pull down like 40 rebounds(or something like that wasnt it) in a gaem, thats amazing, no matter what era it was.

but im saying it was easier fro him to score 40 or 50 or whatever, than it is Kobe

by **scubilete** on Mon Feb 24, 2003 12:03 am

and i dont care what you people say

So what is your point of coming here and quote others then, if you don't care just post for yourself. My point is that he shot 18 3s, that's my point, if you don't understand other's points, you just have to read the whole thing from the begining where a conversation or argument is being followed.

by **Boyk** on Mon Feb 24, 2003 12:11 am

i said that coz some peoples opinions have ben pretty dodgy in this thread(none of yours i dont think, u seem to have some steady opinions) all i was saying is that what was your point in saying he put up 18 attempts?

it just looks like your saying he never of should've put the threes up, thats all

by **TheBob** on Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:43 am

Kobe4Mvp wrote: everyone is talking about Kobe having the 3-point advantage, while he only scores like 2 or 3 every game

I think he was saying that Kobe4Mvp's argument didn't make sense because Kobe has and will jack up plenty of threes at times.

by **Drex** on Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:13 am

Kobe4Mvp wrote:
everyone is talking about Kobe having the 3-point advantage, while he only scores like 2 or 3 every game

and he hit 12 so wots ur point?

there's the advantage

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