which player would u want for the 4th quarter

[Scary Hedo]

duncan or AI

[scubilete]

It is easy to just send Duncan to the line, where he stinks.

Portland lost 2 years ago sending O'Neal to the line, Duncan is much better shooting from there tho. Even, Shaq is improving there as well, especially in the playoffs.

[Boyk]

Kobe

theres no way i'd choose shaq, everytime i see him on the line in the clutch, he misses, even though he thinks he can hit them.........he doesnt

after kobe i'd have to go with garnett or t-mac

[Divan Santana]

Kobe no doubt, he has shown to be a superb clutch scorer and hit huge shots down the stretch.

TMac is a great scorer and can put huge points on the board but has not shown many great clutch performances rather shown poor perfomances in the clutch in the past.(playoffs 2002)

Its not simply hitting the big shot but rather doing something good with the ball, like not turning it over, and possibly finding the open teamate for the shot.
My pick, besides MJ cause of age he's limited to the fade, I'd pick Kobe, then AI whose great in the clutch.

[scubilete]

You guys are confusing this thing with a final minute situation. It is in the entire 4th Quarter. Those guys you have mentioned, Kobe & T-mac, try to do everything and don't pass the ball, that's not the way you play in a 4th Quarter.

I've seen Kobe trying to do it all by himself, even with Shaq there, as a result, a lost for the Lakers. Even Last nite against the Knicks, the game on the line in the 4th Quarter and Kobe couldn't answer the way he was supposed to. However, if Kobe was the one missing there, I bet the ball would have got to Shaq and he had won the game.

[Boyk]

You guys are confusing this thing with a final minute situation. It is in the entire 4th Quarter. Those guys you have mentioned, Kobe & T-mac, try to do everything and don't pass the ball, that's not the way you play in a 4th Quarter.

I've seen Kobe trying to do it all by himself, even with Shaq there, as a result, a lost for the Lakers. Even Last nite against the Knicks, the game on the line in the 4th Quarter and Kobe couldn't answer the way he was supposed to. However, if Kobe was the one missing there, I bet the ball would have got to Shaq and he had won the game.

I betcha the ball wouldnt of went to shaq coz he didnt play

thats y kobe had to try to make stuff happen

and yes i would take Kobe for a whole last quarter
especially after seeing wot he did to the blazers when shaq fouled out in 2000 and wot kobe did to dallas in that last quarter

[scubilete]

Yeah, I saw both games, I did see last nite game tho where Kobe just couldn't stop Houston, or at least didn't respond like Shaq would have done it.

Everybody has different opinions, I keep it with Shaq cause everytime he gets the ball is 2 points for sure or he goes to the line where he has improved. If you check, when you send someone to the line, you are not winning, you just lost the opportunity to steal the ball or force the other team to lose it, they go to the line, stop the shot clock and maybe if they miss they have a chance to rebound the ball again.

Don't you see how stupid was Portland 3 & 2 years ago when they starting fouling shaq?, Now you can ask why San Antonio or Sacramento didn't foul Shaq like Portland did, Shaq was shooting over 60% whenever they tried to do that, so they stopped because that was stupid. Shaq missed a lot but killed them cause you win games on the free throws as well, like Shaq did to them, or you would tell me it was Kobe?, has Kobe ever won the finals MVP?.

It's like everyone is saying all the 40+ points Kobe is scoring, that's really impressive but the team is not winning, what is the purpose of scoring 40 and losing?. Shaq would score 20 & would win it, that's what I would appreciate.

[jwin]

i'd take iverson, i still think he has a bigger desire to win than anyone else in the league, swallowing his own blood to stay in a game, and if you put people on the court with him who can actually catch passes they aren't expecting and make the shots then i don't think any team could really defend him effectively. most teams want to make him take tough shots or get him to force some bad shots instead of using his ability to penetrate and dish for easier shots. besides that he still comes up with more clutch steals than anyone i've seen not named payton or jordan.

[Clinton]

The Lakers were on a 5-0 run up until the All Star break. Kobe scored 40 in all those games didn't he? So that is 5-2 in his 40 point games. Looks like they are winning because of these 40 point games.

[scubilete]

Well, against the Knicks he did score 40 and couldn't win, why? Does Shaq sound familiar to you?

[Divan Santana]

and yes i would take Kobe for a whole last quarter
especially after seeing wot he did to the blazers when shaq fouled out in 2000 and wot kobe did to dallas in that last quarter

And what he did to Indiana in the finals!(ok,alot of it was OT but same principle)
And plenty of other teams.
He doesnt just look to score but with the Lakers having no Shaq, who should he pass to..?

Well, against the Knicks he did score 40 and couldn't win, why? Does Shaq sound familiar to you?

Please, dont you remember when Shaq returned LAkers still struggled cause of there depleted team. Also how can Lakers struggle without Kobe if he's always there? They dont get a chance to because he doesn't miss many games. Lakers would be a ordinary team and maybe make the playoffs without Kobe. Shaq NEEDS Kobe, and Kobe NEEDS Shaq but in recent Kobe is becoming more important and Shaq less effective than before. Hopefully not for long

[Chris Ma]

after the recent good run, i think no one will argue with me that KG should also be considered!

[Boyk]

Yeah, I saw both games, I did see last nite game tho where Kobe just couldn't stop Houston, or at least didn't respond like Shaq would have done it.

Respond like shaq would have done it?????
how does shaq respond........pulling a mean face..............getting fouled then missing the free throws anyway...............he doesnt respond in anyway unless he gets in good position and gets good pass inside, which alot of the time comes from Kobe.

and you try stop the best pure shooter in the NBA when hes in the zone, its one of the hardest things to do, coz he could just pull up on ya and its down.
and anyway, doesnt Kobe usually defend Spreewell when lakers and knicks play????

[He's on Fire!!!! '03]

Allan Houston or Karl Malone................they're the best clutch shooters in the league. My last choice would be Anthony Mason..........he has the wierdest free throw shot.

[scubilete]

and you try stop the best pure shooter in the NBA when hes in the zone, its one of the hardest things to do, coz he could just pull up on ya and its down.

Are you talking about Houston?, It's nice to hear that recognition.

how does shaq respond

He would dunk the ball and get the foul at the same time, that's 2 points and sometimes 3. You guys are wrong, the most important player in the Lakers is Shaq not Kobe, Kobe might get his scoring average cause that's what Jackson wants, Jackson wants other teams to care about Kobe not Shaq, so whenever the opponents get that idea, Shaq will become the secret weapon. All these years we've seen teams getting over Shaq, and not Kobe, now Jackson wants other teams to care about Kobe not Shaq, so his main player "Shaq" can play with more freedom, you guys don't even see that.

You don't see Shaq saying, Kobe is our best player, Kobe is going to guide us, that's just the purpose of Jackson, to keep those two happy but Jackson & Shaq, even Kobe knows well Shaq is the main guy there.

Plus, Like I said, Kobe did nothing in the finals against phily, he's not as important for the Lakers as Shaq is, he is important but not more than Shaq.

The scoring average for Kobe in playoffs is 20, for Shaq 28. I don't think there's much to argue. They do need each other, but you are underestimating Shaq as the most powerful & unstopable player today.

[emadhn15]

Come on guys! What about Robert Horry? Mr.Clutch? I will surely pick him up in the last 2 min of the game.

[scubilete]

Please, dont you remember when Shaq returned LAkers still struggled cause of there depleted team. Also how can Lakers struggle without Kobe if he's always there? They dont get a chance to because he doesn't miss many games.
but in recent Kobe is becoming more important and Shaq less effective than before. Hopefully not for long

I know Kobe doesn't miss games but after you read the other comments I posted, visit this link Sucess of Teams without Stars, there you will see a differential of winning & losing when the main player is absent. The Lakers kept struggling when Shaq returned, but haven't you thought that Shaq had no pre-season, was not in shape, and those are aspects you have to think before saying that. But go there and come back to tell me what you have to say about it.

unless he gets in good position and gets good pass inside, which alot of the time comes from Kobe.

Do you watch the games?, "unless he gets in good position", hmmm, may I say that's what he does and is always effective.

"gets good pass inside, which alot of the time comes from Kobe." That's where I don't think you watch the games. Kobe doesn't pass the ball, you are completely wrong. For Kobe pass the ball, he must be triple teamed and sometimes he would shoot that ball anyway. The rest of the team usually gives the passes to Shaq, but Kobe would be the last one to do it, so once again, you are wrong there.

I am a Laker fan since 87 and never seen any Laker so selfish like Kobe, I do admire him, I love the way he plays, I do respect him but that's something bad he has. If you choose him for your 4th Quarter, you might as well take your other 4 players and sit them down, cause Kobe won't pass the ball to them, that's the reality. So, would you like to play 5 against 1?, that's you, I stay with Shaq.

[Boyk]

selfish???

he passes the ball more that say........tracy mcgrady

and hes only started to be more slefish with theb all coz phil jackson told him to be more aggressive, and heck, if i was as good as kobe, i wouldnt pass the ball as often either!

and do i watch lakers games??? that is the stupidest question of the century
of course i do.

and ok, maybe my thing about saying shaq doesnt repsond was quite silly, but c'mon, most of the time its kobe hittin the big shot orm akin the free throws, wen shaq gets to the line, they miss.

now if kobes selfish then how does he average over 6apg and leads all SG's in that category???

[scubilete]

now if kobes selfish then how does he average over 6apg and leads all SG's in that category?

He does give assists, I'm not saying he doesn't but he just do in the 1st and 2nd Quarter, You won't see him passing the ball in a 4th Quarter when you need more teamwork.

[Boyk]

now if kobes selfish then how does he average over 6apg and leads all SG's in that category?

He does give assists, I'm not saying he doesn't but he just do in the 1st and 2nd Quarter, You won't see him passing the ball in a 4th Quarter when you need more teamwork.

good point scub, but its not all the time he does it
besides phil jackson lets him do that anyway.
but at times phil gets a little frustrated if he does something silly

[ezail]

who else but..ALLEN IVERSON!

[em]

if u could pick one player to be on your team in the 4th quarter of the nba finals game 7 who would it be

dude cant u not be too obvious u want all of us to pick kobe?? ur so lame, sheesh! look at ur name.."kobebryant08"..

what about kobe i cant belive u guys haven't metioned kobe yet

told u so..

but kobe has that drive plus he is a more complete player on offense and defense

whateva..

[Boyk]

geez, no need to have a cry lol

[em]

geez, no need to have a cry lol

i aint crying..i just wanted to point out how lame kobe lovers are..they just want everyone to say his name and praise him like his god or sumthin..which he is not..he is no where close to being "the next MJ"...

[Boyk]

geez, no need to have a cry lol

i aint crying..i just wanted to point out how lame kobe lovers are..they just want everyone to say his name and praise him like his god or sumthin..which he is not..he is no where close to being "the next MJ"...

closer than anyone else