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Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:16 pm

I bet he's a Heat and Spurs fan and likes Detroit too.

And Ben Gordon > Ginobili.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:02 pm

i mean hes just like me, i have ron mercer in my avator and sig, but i dont like him at all :crazy:

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:05 pm

1. Where the hell is DaJuan Wagner ?? :cry:
2. I think there are about 200 better players than Francis in the NBA. (N)

Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:58 pm

Frnacis led the rockets in points rebounds and assists at one point. he was a really good player, but the blackhole called new york sucked the life out of him, too bad

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:03 pm

He was already having a crappy season in Orlando.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:09 pm

thats true. i forgot about that

Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:40 pm

Ray Allen is a better fit for this position than Vince Carter, maybe even Dwyane Wade. I would put Allen at 2, Wade at 3, Carter at 4 and Ginobili at 5. I really can't understand why J-Rich and Franchise are mentioned.

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:31 pm

i thought francis was more of a PG

Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:54 pm

yea francis is a pg, wen he played pg for the rockets he was dam good at it too

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:12 am

And Ben Gordon > Ginobili.


i'll have to disagree on this one. Ginobili is much better than his stats show

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:15 am

Yohance Bailey wrote:I thought vince was a small forward...or am i stuck in 2001?

i think you're stuck in 2001

SG- Carter, SF- MoPete back when Carter was in Toronto

and now Carter at SG and RJeff at SF

Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:54 am

I really can't understand why J-Rich and Franchise are mentioned.


J-Rich had some pretty big games last year and has really shown that he can shoot the ball. He's not as well known as the other players, but that's mainly because his team sucks and always underachieves.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:28 am

Where's Ben Gordon? He's definitely better than Francis, no matter which position they play. Gordon is a better scorer, shooter, more clutch and doesn't overdribble the ball. And it's not like Francis is a defensive stud either.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:28 am

"Of course, what sets Bryant apart from Wade is his defense, which is what puts him at the top of this list."

Why do they bother even making these lists if they're just spouting off unsubstantiated opinions?

Bryant's Opponent 48mpg production was a PER of 16.0 (and Wade's is 16.1 a *huge* separation yeah whatever), which is pretty average defensively (actually slightly below average). And while it can be argued "but Bryant isn't on a great defensive team", it's still worse than Ray Allen's Opponent PER of 15.6 and the Sonics are worse defensively as a team.

He should have just wrote "Kobe is #1 because I'm a Kobe fan," because there wasn't much else in that article of value.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:38 am

well Wade also has shaq and Haslem and Mourning behind him, Kobe has who? soft Kwame? lol.

I cant really explain Ray's though.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:08 am

Kobe is better defensively than all the Top 10 SG's.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:23 am

Matt wrote:
And Ben Gordon > Ginobili.


i'll have to disagree on this one. Ginobili is much better than his stats show


Fine then, Nocioni > Ginobili.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:41 am

CERVANTES wrote:1. Where the hell is DaJuan Wagner ?? :cry:
2. I think there are about 200 better players than Francis in the NBA. (N)


If this survey is based on last year, then yea stevie shouldnt be up there.......but if its based on career achievements.....then stevie should be in front of ginobli, redd, hamilton, johnson, and richardson......and should be at a tie with carter........because carter didnt start playin as good as he does now, until he got with the nets........and there is no way in hell there are 200 better players than francis in the nba, so stop over exaggerating

Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:02 pm

cklitsie wrote:I bet he's a Heat and Spurs fan and likes Detroit too.

And Ben Gordon > Ginobili.


lol spurs fan for life.
i hate detroit

Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:51 pm

Ryan. wrote:
Matt wrote:
And Ben Gordon > Ginobili.


i'll have to disagree on this one. Ginobili is much better than his stats show


Fine then, Nocioni > Ginobili.


Detroit/San Antonio > Chicago

Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:19 pm

Kobe Bryant's legacy is set! he's the best shooting guard in history right behind Michael Jordan and Jerry West.

Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:54 pm

and Oscar Robinson....

Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:03 pm

and dr j or was he SF?

Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:06 pm

and John Starks. :P

Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:54 am

Francis Should have been higher. And I dont see how Ben Gordon could have Missied the Cut hes one ofd the best clutch guards right now be hind That Number 8 Guy 4rm the Lakers.

O Well. Great List otherwise
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