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Postby Its_asdf on Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:01 am

ThaLiveKing wrote:Trade Vince Carter . LMAO. Yeah, make that same mistake Toronto did. They are not gonna trade him. New Jersey has a good team right now to win the Atlantic, I see them winning it again this year, unless Toronto can pull off a miracle


Yeah, lets have 3 ridiculously huge contracts on a team and fill the rest with free agent players that can't even play anymore.

To go far in the playoffs, you're going to need depth. No one on the team aside from Krisitc, Carter, Jefferson or Kidd has the value to acquire a decent player, and the Nets don't exactly have the best cap situation in the world either.

In order to become a deeper team and become a better team overall, they need to move one of those four players. Kidd runs the show, Kristic and Jefferson have many good years ahead of them and Carter is stuck right in the middle of his prime and seems to be the odd man out; his value is pretty high and New Jersey can acquire some impressive pieces to the team in return if he's traded correctly.
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Postby Blasphemy on Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:06 am

Always when I think of the Nets i always think of what a shitty center and bench they have. I think they should trade Richardson for 1-2 good bench player and/or a center. Since they got 2 great rookies in the draft I think that might give them a bit more of deph in the bench though. But no one knows until the season starts.
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Postby CERVANTES on Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:16 am

Wankster wrote:Always when I think of the Nets i always think of what a shitty center and bench they have. I think they should trade Richardson for 1-2 good bench player and/or a center. Since they got 2 great rookies in the draft I think that might give them a bit more of deph in the bench though. But no one knows until the season starts.


No, "JEFFERSON" shouldn't be traded. He's very efficient, athletic, young and one of the fan-favourites. Vince needs to take 1/3 of Nets' total shots, and that's not good. I think that's the main factor Kidd's not playing as well as last years, at least offensivelly. When we reached the finals years ago we had team-play, and Kidd was the Master and Commander of that squad. So basically Kidd needs very good efficient or role players around him, not a McGrady or a Carter. So it would be cool if we can bring back Kenyon to play at PF, and I hope Josh Boone and Marcus Williams can fit in that philosophy next season.
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Postby John WB on Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:47 am

-|NN|-[pF]- wrote:
BlueHornet wrote: gettin kmart back without vince would be the same as a few years ago when they were with k mart.


You mean making the finals two years in a row? Being one of the best defensive teams in the league? That would be horrible...

Yeah, but they didn't win.

I'd like the Nets to try and get K-Mart while keeping VC.

Those Nets teams that reached the Finals were missed a dominant offensive force like VC.
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Postby CERVANTES on Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:44 am

John WB wrote:
-|NN|-[pF]- wrote:
BlueHornet wrote: gettin kmart back without vince would be the same as a few years ago when they were with k mart.


You mean making the finals two years in a row? Being one of the best defensive teams in the league? That would be horrible...

Yeah, but they didn't win.

I'd like the Nets to try and get K-Mart while keeping VC.

Those Nets teams that reached the Finals were missed a dominant offensive force like VC.


Well, now they would have Krstic, Boone, Marcus and 'Toine too. So I think bringin him back would give the Nets finally a good inside game, with Nenad, Collins, Boone and Kmart.
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Postby Mayerhendrix on Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:48 am

When's K-Mart's contract expiring?

He'd bring back the old Nets' inside intensity.
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Postby nets4life on Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:52 pm

The current roster cant win a championship, theyre missing a good offensive and defensive bigman to compliment the nets big 3 and krstic, also a couple of role players off the bench. I would have love it if we signed Rasual Butler but hes probably going to resign with his present club, as for kmart... im all for him yet i dont want to break the big 3 for him. Maybe Jason Collins, Jacque Vaughn and a 1st and 2nd round pick? something along those lines.

Something has to be done, The Atlantic championship title is not good enough!
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Postby Jugs on Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:45 pm

Wankster wrote:Always when I think of the Nets i always think of what a shitty center and bench they have. I think they should trade Richardson for 1-2 good bench player and/or a center. Since they got 2 great rookies in the draft I think that might give them a bit more of deph in the bench though. But no one knows until the season starts.


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Postby Fitzy on Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:18 pm

trade richardson? who the fuck? do you mean jefferson
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Postby Sam The Man on Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:46 pm

Maybe Jason Collins, Jacque Vaughn and a 1st and 2nd round pick? something along those lines.

Jacque Vaughn was signed by the Spurs
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/vaughn_si ... 60712.html


I dont really think that the Nets can win a championship with this current roster.

Even if they somehow got K-Mart while keeping Kidd, Carter, Jefferson and Krstic, I still dont see them winning a championship without some more depth.
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Postby Fitzy on Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:01 pm

if they want kenyon they will have to try and get him cheap, like they traded him for
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Postby CERVANTES on Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:09 pm

Sam_21 wrote:I dont really think that the Nets can win a championship with this current roster.

Even if they somehow got K-Mart while keeping Kidd, Carter, Jefferson and Krstic, I still dont see them winning a championship without some more depth.


Well, I think NOW we have a better roster than the years we reached the finals, seriously. Maybe next year even if Nets keep Carter we can do something good, because Marcus and Boone will be more experienced, and they're key players for the Nets.
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Postby Mayerhendrix on Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:36 am

The goal is to keep the core of Krstic, Carter, Kidd, and Jefferson while improving the rest of the roster. On top of that, the Nets are so resistant to sign any big man that's less than perfect that they end up not signing anyone year after year.

Just get K-Mart pissed off in Denver until he comes back. =D


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Postby Its_asdf on Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:39 am

The goal is to keep the core of Krstic, Carter, Kidd, and Jefferson while improving the rest of the roster. On top of that, the Nets are so resistant to sign any big man that's less than perfect that they end up not signing anyone year after year.


The Nets can't get anyone of any value unless they trade Kristic, Carter, Kidd or Jefferson. Everyone else aside from the newest rookies are a bunch of ho-hum scrubs that would be the 10th man on most teams at best.
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Postby CERVANTES on Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:28 am

The Nets can't get anyone of any value unless they trade Kristic, Carter, Kidd or Jefferson. Everyone else aside from the newest rookies are a bunch of ho-hum scrubs that would be the 10th man on most teams at best.


I totally agree. Well said.
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Postby BlueHornet on Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:00 am

Even though J Kidd is good they arent going to have him for a long time, he is gettin old , what is he now like 33 or somethin, they need to take a shot at some Really good young players, their players are going to retire sooner or later, i would rather have a team that could win a championship, rather than have the BEST BLAH BLAH BLAH whats that good for if you dont win, you fail, thats that. Pistons are doin what they had in 04, and gettin their players back, having them out for a while and gettin them back might help, but they are doing more than the nets.
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Postby CERVANTES on Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:12 am

But we don't have to think in the far future. We gotta focus on this next season, and Kidd, Krstic, RJ & VC will play for sure at a high level. You can't now say: well, Kidd's gettin' old and all that stuff, because they have to think about the next season, and as I said it will be a good one for the Nets. (Y)
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Postby Mayerhendrix on Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:25 am

CERVANTES wrote:
The Nets can't get anyone of any value unless they trade Kristic, Carter, Kidd or Jefferson. Everyone else aside from the newest rookies are a bunch of ho-hum scrubs that would be the 10th man on most teams at best.


I totally agree. Well said.


That and the Nets' absolute refusal to give anyone short of excellence the full mid-level exception is the reason that no major changes can be made in the offseason.
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Postby Its_asdf on Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:51 am

BlueHornet wrote:Even though J Kidd is good they arent going to have him for a long time, he is gettin old , what is he now like 33 or somethin, they need to take a shot at some Really good young players, their players are going to retire sooner or later, i would rather have a team that could win a championship, rather than have the BEST BLAH BLAH BLAH whats that good for if you dont win, you fail, thats that. Pistons are doin what they had in 04, and gettin their players back, having them out for a while and gettin them back might help, but they are doing more than the nets.


If Marcus Williams proves that he can run an NBA offence (which he most likely can), I think he'll be a nice predecessor to Kidd. Kidd IS getting old, but at his age he can still be a very valuable player. He is the backbone of the Nets offence and without him the Nets wouldn't even be talking about the playoffs, let alone winning the championship.

Kidd is a must-have on the team, and I don't think his skills will diminish as quickly as some people would think.
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Postby nets4life on Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:19 pm

Kidd is a must-have on the team, and I don't think his skills will diminish as quickly as some people would think.


i agree, il give him another 2-3 years at his current level.

I also read on realgm an article about how the Magic are coping 10 years since Shaq left. The writer of the article mentioned that hopefully vince carter will come. Not gonna happen. we only would want D12 and maybe jj and theres no way in hell theyre giving up Howard. just thought id mention it

http://magic.realgm.com/articles/42/200 ... ars_later/
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Postby kinokong on Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:33 pm

lol... they'll give up howard when orlando freezes over
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Postby nets4life on Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:14 pm

Harrington, Wilcox and Gooden want way more than the MLE and a sign and trade is near impossible as we dont want to break the big 3 + krstic. So with the free agents remaining, who do you think the nets should get or atleast have a go at?

http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents/
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Postby Fenix on Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:44 pm

nets4life wrote:
I also read on realgm an article about how the Magic are coping 10 years since Shaq left. The writer of the article mentioned that hopefully vince carter will come. Not gonna happen. we only would want D12 and maybe jj and theres no way in hell theyre giving up Howard. just thought id mention it

http://magic.realgm.com/articles/42/200 ... ars_later/
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Vince Carter is a (unrestricted I think) FA next summer and Orlando has tons of capspace, plus they're his hometown. They don't need to give anyone to the Nets, they can just sign him.
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Postby Mayerhendrix on Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:55 am

Its_asdf wrote:
BlueHornet wrote:Even though J Kidd is good they arent going to have him for a long time, he is gettin old , what is he now like 33 or somethin, they need to take a shot at some Really good young players, their players are going to retire sooner or later, i would rather have a team that could win a championship, rather than have the BEST BLAH BLAH BLAH whats that good for if you dont win, you fail, thats that. Pistons are doin what they had in 04, and gettin their players back, having them out for a while and gettin them back might help, but they are doing more than the nets.


If Marcus Williams proves that he can run an NBA offence (which he most likely can), I think he'll be a nice predecessor to Kidd. Kidd IS getting old, but at his age he can still be a very valuable player. He is the backbone of the Nets offence and without him the Nets wouldn't even be talking about the playoffs, let alone winning the championship.

Kidd is a must-have on the team, and I don't think his skills will diminish as quickly as some people would think.


There was a long article in the local newspaper about how, in the time that his scoring has decreased, his rebounding and assists stats have shot up a few per game. He's still able to outrun players much younger than him.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:28 am

Fenix wrote:Vince Carter is a (unrestricted I think) FA next summer and Orlando has tons of capspace, plus they're his hometown. They don't need to give anyone to the Nets, they can just sign him.


Scary thought, continued improvement from Darko, Dwight, Jameer Nelson and JJ, add Vince Carter to the mix and you've got a Conference finalist right there.

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