I am going out on a limb...(T-Wolves off-season related)

[Donatello]

I suppose one should never say never but I can't see the Sixers going for that. If they wanted to deal AI they could surely demand more than that in return.

I would -almost- say the exact same thing.... except..... look at what the Lakers traded Shaq for

[Fenix]

For a young up-and-coming quality role player (Caron Butler), someone with superstar talent who just had a career year (Lamar Odom) and a bad contract to make it all work (Brian Grant)?

[Riot]

Lamar Odom is a superstar?

Why do I disregard every Wolves/Garnett rumor? For a few reasons:

1. Most of them come from New York, LA or Chicago where they just make up shit to get on the front page.

2. Because the organization does not want to deal him.

3. Because Garnett does not want to leave.

Now, I'm going out on a limb and saying the Wolves will get him. The guy who has the "sources" just said that AI is Plan A for the Timberwolves and that they have contacted Iverson's agent. He says he doesn't think the Timberwolves have what it takes to get Iverson but he also said that because of Iverson's attitude, age and contract he won't get as much interest across the league. The guy also said that if we can't get Iverson the team will go after Stephon Marbury, who nobody in the league wants besides the Timberwolves. He also said that the Knicks will be looking to dump Francis.

[Fenix]

Lamar Odom is a superstar?

No, but I said he has superstar [b]talent[/i]. That's not the same think. He could easily be one and he still has potential to become one, which is helluva more you can say about players Minnesotta can give.

[Riot]

Lamar Odom will never have the superstar mindset and aggressiveness, which is just as important as the talent. Plus, Odom really can't play defense.

[Fenix]

Lamar Odom will never have the superstar mindset and aggressiveness, which is just as important as the talent.

But that doesn't hurt his overall talent, does it? And it's definitely on a superstar level, you can't deny it. Saying that he won't reach it or that he lacks 'mindset' for it is just your opinon. IMO, he's one of the most naturally talented players in the League.

And saying that Odom doesn't play defense? That's a fabrication. He has quick feet, long reach and height to defend anyone in the NBA and he does it more or less consistantly. He isn't on a All-Defense team level, but he is more than solid. He was particulary great in this year's playoffs, defending smaller and quicker players (Marion) and switching when needed.

As a comparison: when Odom plays PF, his opponent has an average PER of 14.6. At SF (his natural position) it's 12.7. Whats's KG's? 16.1. And 15 is the League's average.

Edit: grammar.

[Riot]

Yes, but Odom doesn't go out there and guard the opposing team's best player like Garnett does. From what I've seen, Lamar Odom is not a very good defender. Wally Szczerbiak has owned him quite a few times.

And I feel my opinion is right and most people would agree. Lamar Odom just doesn't seem to care to be the best he can be. He will never be a superstar type player and I doubt he is ever an all-star.

[Donatello]

VanK just likes trying to make a point and defending it extensively and aggressively.

He's a smart guy, so he's good at it. I usually don't agree with him though.

[cyanide]

Iverson and KG would be a great combo seeing that Iverson and Webber didn't work out

[Riot]

Iverson and KG would be a great combo seeing that Iverson and Webber didn't work out

Are you comparing Webber to Garnett?

[Buckley]

AI will not be traded. Hes been carrying this Sixers team for ages, with little supporting cast. But if he gets traded, the Sixers will not do very well next year. King and co. need to somehow make changes to this team so that they will win as many games as possible next year, and we are already screwed over in terms of cap space, so money is out of the question. Getting a quality guard in the draft and maybe signing a productive backup forward could put us back on the right track.

[Riot]

I heard Iverson missing the fan appreciation day thingy really made a lot of fans angry.

[Buckley]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2414529

They had apoligized for not showing up....

http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/billy_ki ... 60518.html

This is what Billy is saying to fans what he is doing right here.

Going into the offseason, I'm looking to make our team better, and I'm not looking to trade any specific player, but our ultimate goal is to win.

We're going to try and build a team that is competitive and plays hard every night, but the goal is always to make the playoffs and win a championship.

From that, it appears the Sixers have no interest in trading Iverson.

[cyanide]

Iverson and KG would be a great combo seeing that Iverson and Webber didn't work out

Are you comparing Webber to Garnett?

Kind of. I know KG is a much better player than Webber, but I'm thinking of Webber's situation when he was in Sacramento, only going so far in the playoffs like KG has done with the Wolves. Adding Iverson, imo, won't make them a championship caliber team.

[air gordon]

Philly got a 3/4 of the version of the Chris Webber from Sacto, nevermind that Mo Cheeks offense consisted a lot of Webber or Iverson on iso's

Sacto only going so far? they were championship contenders for several years, losing to the eventual Champions lala's each time. lol KG hasn't gotten a whiff of that


having a plan to acquire a big name player like Iverson is one thing. getting it done is another

but he also said that because of Iverson's attitude, age and contract he won't get as much interest across the league

lol are you kidding me? if someone of his caliber is on the market, regardless of his attitude, contract, etc, you better believe the Philly GM's phone will be ringing like crazy. we're not talking about a perceived cancer like Marbury lol

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1. Most of them come from New York, LA or Chicago where they just make up shit to get on the front page.

there are no 'rumors' coming out of chicago. several chicago columnists have suggested that the Bulls should go after a player of Garnett's caliber. none of them have reported that Paxson is making some kind of offer. and Paxson has said recently in interviews that he hasn't made any offer and that he's going to cover all the bases, so to speak, to improve the team

[Donatello]

Going into the offseason, I'm looking to make our team better, and I'm not looking to trade any specific player, but our ultimate goal is to win.

We're going to try and build a team that is competitive and plays hard every night, but the goal is always to make the playoffs and win a championship.

From that, it appears the Sixers have no interest in trading Iverson.

No idea how you took either of those quotes as saying "We have no interest in trading Iverson". As a matter of fact, they read more like "We'll trade anyone."

[Riot]

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1. Most of them come from New York, LA or Chicago where they just make up shit to get on the front page.

there are no 'rumors' coming out of chicago. several chicago columnists have suggested that the Bulls should go after a player of Garnett's caliber. none of them have reported that Paxson is making some kind of offer. and Paxson has said recently in interviews that he hasn't made any offer and that he's going to cover all the bases, so to speak, to improve the team

Um...I'm talking about writers and reporters from those cities who make up the rumors. The major one that comes to my mind is Sam Smith, who comes up with a silly Garnett rumor every week.

[Silas]

teams deny things a lot, when they say they arent looking to trade anyone it means the deal they want hasnt come around yet, but usually most players are always on the market if the right deal comes around, so I say we wait till after the draft lottery and keep our ears open for some interesting news. At this point i wouldn't rule out any possibility, though i like the one riot has proposed and it's obvious he's thought about this one.

[air gordon]

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1. Most of them come from New York, LA or Chicago where they just make up shit to get on the front page.

there are no 'rumors' coming out of chicago. several chicago columnists have suggested that the Bulls should go after a player of Garnett's caliber. none of them have reported that Paxson is making some kind of offer. and Paxson has said recently in interviews that he hasn't made any offer and that he's going to cover all the bases, so to speak, to improve the team

Um...I'm talking about writers and reporters from those cities who make up the rumors. The major one that comes to my mind is Sam Smith, who comes up with a silly Garnett rumor every week.

rumor? since when is suggesting a deal a rumor??!!
here is the Garnett excerpt from his latest article:

Yes, here we go again: Kevin Garnett.

I believe the Timberwolves will not trade him. I believe they'll trade for someone like Stephon Marbury to dress up the roster for the season ticket-holders and make it appear there's a chance when, more likely, they'll struggle to make the playoffs or miss them again. Meanwhile, they'll be wasting what's left of Garnett. I've long talked about getting Garnett, but even I admit he's a risk now. He has played more than 30,000 minutes, a career for most in the Hall of Fame, and been mostly healthy. He probably only has a few good seasons left. He's a much bigger risk now. But if the Bulls don't have to break up their team to get him, Garnett would be worth the risk. He is the hard-working, unselfish type of player they covet and could help them make a major move next season.

Here's the situation. It's nice to have all these talented kids from the draft, but it never works because you can't pay them all. Tyson Chandler's contract averages $10 million per year, Kirk Hinrich comes up for an extension this summer and Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni due next summer. With Chandler making $10 million, who will ask for less? You add to that draft picks and free agents from this summer and it's a payroll the Bulls could not afford as they'd owe a luxury tax that could cost them tens of millions of dollars. Only the Knicks operate that way.

So you try to make the Timberwolves an offer that is very appealing and perhaps get someone to get in Garnett's ear and ask him if he wants a chance to end his career playing for a championship in the next few years, which the Bulls could do in the East. It's not about to happen for Garnett in the West. So here's the deal: Chandler, Gordon, the Bulls' two draft picks--hoping they have No. 1 or No. 2--and the right to have the Knicks' 2007 pick unless it's No. 1 overall. (No. 1 likely would mean the chance to pick Greg Oden.) That would give Minnesota three No. 1s this year with two high lottery picks and two young players, one a potential star in Gordon. Face it: What's the chance of Gordon happily accepting a backup role if the Bulls pursue a shooting guard, which they seem to have indicated they would with Gordon's contract coming up? As a sweetener, maybe you take one of Minnesota's bad contracts, like that of Troy Hudson or Marko Jaric. The Timberwolves have to be losing money with their payroll and a losing team in that market. They've made plenty of mistakes, so you figure they'll just ride it out and continue to be a non-playoff team with Garnett. But at least make a run at them.

no mention that Minny is interested in trading Garnett/Chicago interested in trading for him/that a trade is going down. just a possible trade scenario, that's all

lol this is nothing like Mr. Rumor Guy himself, Chad Ford, who a few years back reported that Maggette was traded to the Nuggets

we already know you'd give KG a reach around but man but stop getting so damn defensive about him lol

[maes]

Interesting but it all hinges on Iverson wanting to go to Minny, and why would he?

I've never heard of Iverson wanting to play for Mchale or Garnett, or leave one of the biggest cities on the east coast to retire in a small city in the midwest. He's got a lot of financial & sponsorship reasons to stay in a big market, and his recording studio is in Philly.

If Iverson has no interest, the TWolves will back off & try to find another player, because if AI doesn't play with real heart & intensity in Minny they're not going to get any farther than they did w/ Sprewell & Cassell.

I dunno...i just don't see AI jumping for joy at working for McHale....and his cooperation is necessary in any trade involving him.

[Riot]

I don't think Iverson would have any problems playing with Garnett.

Sam Smith is notorious for coming up with stupid Garnett rumors. I never read his article so I didn't see the last one but he comes up with a new one every week.

[Laker Socks]

To make things simple:
The chances of Iverson being traded to minny is the same chances that KG gets traded to LA, New York or Chicago.

[Fenix]

I don't think so. AI is in the same position as KG - he (supposedly) doesn't want to leave the team. If he did leave, he certainly wouldn't pick a small market team like Minnesotta. No bloody way their agents allow that.

[Laker Socks]

AI is in the same position as KG - he (supposedly) doesn't want to leave the team

Which makes the chances of them being traded for another team pretty much the same.

If he did leave, he certainly wouldn't pick a small market team like Minnesotta

Screw it. Who would not pick a chance to play with Kevin Garnett? The perfect complementary player for a high scoring guard.

No bloody way their agents allow that.

Why? Do you know them personally?

[Indy]

No bloody way their agents allow that.

Why? Do you know them personally?

What an absolutley horrific retort.