All right ya'll...Best PF of the 90's.

[putodelagoa]

Oh Lord...Rodman was good only in defense...he did nothing in offense excluding rebounds: probably he didn't score more than 7-8 ppg in career and he was a poor free throw shooter. Keep this in your mind: Rodman was good only at defense. Probably if he was concentrated more on basketball than in his hair, he could be better...

I guess you haven't seen much basketball in the 90's, now did you? Rodman was a dominant defender that could and would get under your skin at every chance, taking you out your game. He excelled at man to man defense, could cover 4 positions on the floor and was an outstandig team player. He had a fantastic Basketball IQ, and was an essencial player not only in Detroit (2 TITLES) (where he actually scored), but also in chicago where he won 3 TITLES. he didn't need to score to have impact in a game. Checking out stats won't tell you the whole story... Check out the 1996 NBA Finals, where you will be able to overcome some myths you made in your mind: You'll see Frank Brickowski, Seattle's starting Center being ejected twice thanks to Rodman's antics, and you'll see that not even him could stop Shawn Kemp back then. Then please try to see the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals to see how it was much easier for Chicago to contain Malone.

Only 14 ppg in career, low stamina, bad passer. He was a good rebounder tho: 8.4 rpg in career, a good blocker and a good stealer... and his free throw percentage wasn't bad. But too many turnovers per game and his field goal precentage is lower than 50% in career (I think that almost 45-50% of his field goals were dunks).

The stats you're posting include the post lockout Kemp, which was not the same player, at all. For 5 years, from 1991 to 1996 he was the closest thing to Amare Stoudemire you could find - but he was a better rebounder and overall defender -

Now, to see who was a GREAT (I say "GREAT", not "pretty good") Power Forward, you just have to see who's included in the "Greatest 50 NBA Players in NBA History" List.

That list includes a number of extremely overrated players, while overlooking others that were well deserving of such an honor. In my mind I've no doubt that for 5 Years, Kemp was a top 3 PF in the League, certainly not deserving all-time status, but we're refering to the 90's.

[putodelagoa]

Why wold you guys say Rodman? Barkley and Malone were a lil bit worse rebounding and thts it. Both of em were better scorers, defender and team-mates. (yes that does matter)

Because he has a hand full of rings, and he didn't just went along for the ride: none of those rings would have been won without his contributions.
And Rip, Rodman was by faaaaaaaaaaaar a superior defender than both Malone and Barkley. He dressed bad and looked worse, but he was an hell of a ball player.

[Matthew]

Frank Brickowkski wasnt their starting centre, Ervin Johnson was. In the 97 and 98 finals, the help defense of pippen is was really limited Malone. Rodman would press up on malone and not allow position, but pippen would limit malone being able to get by him by taking charges and knocking the ball loose with his long arms.

But Rodman is top 5 imo. Just not the best. Malone was consistantly good all throughout the 90's. 2 mvps. countless all nba and all defense team selections. plus his scoring, rebound and assists were amongst the best.

The stats you're posting include the post lockout Kemp, which was not the same player, at all. For 5 years, from 1991 to 1996 he was the closest thing to Amare Stoudemire you could find - but he was a better rebounder and overall defender -

Amare is a much better help defender than kemp was. Amare is juicker, stronger and better looking (just joking). kemp did have a much better jumpshot though.

My rankings:
1) Malone
2) Barkley
3) Kemp
4) Rodman
5)Larry Johnson
6) Webber
7) Horace Grant
8) Dale Davis
9) KG
10) Otis Thorpe

[Matthew]

The bulls would have won in 97 and 98 without rodman. In 96 he was a catylist, but in the seasons following, he didnt seem interested anymore.

[John WB]

Why wold you guys say Rodman? Barkley and Malone were a lil bit worse rebounding and thts it. Both of em were better scorers, defender and team-mates. (yes that does matter)

Because he has a hand full of rings, and he didn't just went along for the ride: none of those rings would have been won without his contributions.
And Rip, Rodman was by faaaaaaaaaaaar a superior defender than both Malone and Barkley. He dressed bad and looked worse, but he was an hell of a ball player.

True that he was a big contributer to the Bulls getting those 3 rings, but that doesn't make him the best Power Forward because of it either.

[patrixxx73]

Karl Malone

Tim Duncan

Charles Barkley

Shawn Kemp

Dennis Rodman

Chris Webber

Larry Johnson

[putodelagoa]

The bulls would have won in 97 and 98 without rodman. In 96 he was a catylist, but in the seasons following, he didnt seem interested anymore.

I will have to disagree with you on that one.

Amare is a much better help defender than kemp was. Amare is juicker, stronger and better looking (just joking). kemp did have a much better jumpshot though.

You're right, specially about Amare's better looks , but while I do not question Amare's supremacy in help defense, I do think Kemp's defensive awareness was superior, but I'm sure Amare will get there.

Frank Brickowkski wasnt their starting centre, Ervin Johnson was. In the 97 and 98 finals, the help defense of pippen is was really limited Malone.

Brick did play the bulk of the minutes, though.

Then please try to see the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals to see how it was much easier for Chicago to contain Malone.

Here, as you can see, I was refering to team defense.

[Its_asdf]

10) Otis Thorpe

Hmm.... I keep hearing about this guy but I've searched him up on NBA.com and found out that his stats were actually quite good.

Can someone tell me anything else regarding his career and the way he played?

[putodelagoa]

True that he was a big contributer to the Bulls getting those 3 rings, but that doesn't make him the best Power Forward because of it either.

Don't forget he already had two rings before joining chicago.

Yeah, I know it doesn't make him the best forward, but it sure makes his case stronger, doesn't it?
I guess, like I stated before, it all depends on what you want from your PF. IMO Rodman could never be a go-to guy, but in a team like Chicago he was by far a better fit than Malone or Barkley could ever be. I don't see Chicago trading him for any of those players, and this is what makes my mind about the Rodman.

[putodelagoa]

10) Otis Thorpe

Hmm.... I keep hearing about this guy but I've searched him up on NBA.com and found out that his stats were actually quite good.

Can someone tell me anything else regarding his career and the way he played?

He was that low profile kind of player ( AC Green style) whose contributions you wouldn't notice until you saw the box scores. He was a tough defender and a great rebounder and a important piece in the 1st championship won by Houston, where his low key demeanor was the complete oposite of the mega head case known as Vernon Maxwell.
His last assist to the Rockets franchise was that he was part of the package offered to Portland in exchange for Clyde Drexler.

[Strike Freedom]

How do you guys define "great"?

IMO..
Like Malone, he's great at offense but slightly worse in defense..
he was the leader of the team but didn't get any ring..

Barkley, good at both ends.. He can shoot 3, block shots. rebound.. big butt helps .. he was also the leader of the Phoenix Suns + 76'ers but didn't get any ring..

Rodman.. good at defense + offensive rebounds.. and he doesn't like scoring..
that's like playin pure PF role.. PF doesn't have to score at first option..
He wasn't the leader, but he earned 4-5 rings..

[Jackal_]

Malone IMO and on teh defensive end I'd have to say Rodman

[shadowgrin]

Yeah, and actually Rodman was good only at rebounding

Stop smoking weed when you're posting.

Only 14 ppg in career, low stamina, bad passer. He was a good rebounder tho: 8.4 rpg in career, a good blocker and a good stealer... and his free throw percentage wasn't bad. But too many turnovers per game and his field goal precentage is lower than 50% in career (I think that almost 45-50% of his field goals were dunks).

Stats doesn't reveal anything. As said before, his game went down considerably after the lockout which affected his career stats. As for his low stamina, he also started indulging on too much burgers because there's nothing to do during the lockout. In which eventually, burgertime became a habit. He also sniffed coke.

[Fenix]

Kemp in his 'prime' (his best years would yet had to come, but he got fat) was more athletic than Amare, although not as quick (that's just my opinion) and he had more developed offensive reportoire than Amare last year. His post moves were beter and so was his face-up game and he most certainly was - as someone of you already observed - a better one-on-one defender. But help defence? I don't really know what you're talking about. Suns were playing the type of D that needed a lot of help defence which lead to turnovers which caused a lot of fast breaks. Seattle's D was more of a man-to-man with much less gambling (that does not include Payton, who is probably one of the most overrated defenders of all time).

Slightly off topic - I've never seen Olajuwon playing in his psychical prime. Do you think he would play a PF nowadays? He had all the skills and he could very well make a Duncan-type of power forward with a decent centre in the middle. But then again, he did still play a centre when Houston had Sampson.

And regarding Rodman - his D and rebounding lead to a lot of easy baskets for his teammates and so did his flopping. So talking about him like he didn't have any influence on the offensive end is bullcrap.

[putodelagoa]

Slightly off topic - I've never seen Olajuwon playing in his psychical prime. Do you think he would play a PF nowadays? He had all the skills and he could very well make a Duncan-type of power forward with a decent centre in the middle. But then again, he did still play a centre when Houston had Sampson.

At his prime, the think that would shock you the most about Dream was his cat-like quickness. He could arguably be effective at three positions on the floor, but it was in the post that he could do most damage with his humiliating moves and intimidating shot blocking.

[Fenix]

At his prime, the think that would shock you the most about Dream was his cat-like quickness. He could arguably be effective at three positions on the floor, but it was in the post that he could do most damage with his humiliating moves and intimidating shot blocking.

Shit, he was still obscenely quick in the 90', when he was in his thirties. Did you hear that story about how The Dream taught Okafor some of his post moves this past summer? Imagine if he got a healthy Amare or Howard as his protégés...

[shadowgrin]

The Dream also taught Shawn Bradley some moves. Too bad Bradley is too slow to comprehend and learn what Olajuwon taught him.