Who do u think is better (Version 2)

[Null17]

Talent-wise, Duncan...

Dominance-wise, Shaq...

[kinokong]

id take a corvette anyday lol... as of now i would still take shaq. if you switch those two players with their respective teams of last year i would fear the spurs more than the heat w/duncan. shaq had a team with no bench and they came within moments of getting to the finals with their two best players injured... give shaq the spurs and i would be pissin my pants off. imagine guys like devin brown, horry, barry hitting threes and parker and ginobili driving to the basket as always. just like shaq made wade better, he would make the players on the spurs better.

[boconcio]

shaq didn't make wade better, he made wade score more points in some opportunities, and thats all about it.

shaq is not the kind of player who makes his teammates better, he gets the lane open, or leave them open at threes, that's basically not making anyone better, that's just making other team players more worried about shaq and forget to defend the other players.

jason kidd makes his teammates better, and not because he drives attention of defense, but because he makes people try different plays and stuff like that....




anyway, back to the topic, TD all the way.

[Joe']

He is!!!!!
Look at MJ at Kobes Age...Kobe is better at his age!!

MJ IS WAY BETTER THAN KOBE!!
And these are the reasons:

-Michael as a rookie averaged 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists and 2.4 steals.

-Kobe as a rookie wasn't even in the starting lineup and he averaged less than 10 ppg, and less than 2 rpg.

-Kobe in his 9 year NBA career averaged 22.4 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 4.4 assists.

-Michael in his 15 year NBA career averaged 30.1 points, 6.20 rebounds, and 5.3 assists.

-Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, Kobe's not...

-Michael Jordan was able to play team basketball, Kobe plays selfishly...

-Michael averaged 21.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, and 4.5 apg when he was 38-39.

-Michael averaged more than 30 points per game for 7 consecutive seasons, Kobe didn't.

And if you wanna know when MJ was 27 (Kobe's age) he averaged 31.5 points, 6 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 2.7 steals and 1 block per game.
Kobe averaged 27.6 points, 5.9 rebounds, 6 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game.
So I think MJ was better...
No way man, Michael Jordan is a lot better than Kobe Bryant, he's even better than Wilt Chamberlain.
Kobe was stupid...He should play college basketball before goin' to the NBA.
And, don't reply to this, you're goin' off-topic

[magius]

guys. go look up the kobe thread. everything is there. ever wondered what kobe eats for breakfast? its there. what color panties does kobe wear? its there.

in my opinion the fact that kobe bryant shares the letters o, e, r, and a in his name with michael jordan is a disgrace. comparing them is like asking a heterosexual male if he wants dick or pussy. bryant is a joke, id take fuckin' wade anyday.

[patrixxx73]

He is!!!!!
Look at MJ at Kobes Age...Kobe is better at his age!!

MJ IS WAY BETTER THAN KOBE!!
And these are the reasons:

-Michael as a rookie averaged 28.2 points, 6.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists and 2.4 steals.

-Kobe as a rookie wasn't even in the starting lineup and he averaged less than 10 ppg, and less than 2 rpg.

-Kobe in his 9 year NBA career averaged 22.4 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 4.4 assists.

-Michael in his 15 year NBA career averaged 30.1 points, 6.20 rebounds, and 5.3 assists.

-Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, Kobe's not...

-Michael Jordan was able to play team basketball, Kobe plays selfishly...

-Michael averaged 21.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, and 4.5 apg when he was 38-39.

-Michael averaged more than 30 points per game for 7 consecutive seasons, Kobe didn't.

And if you wanna know when MJ was 27 (Kobe's age) he averaged 31.5 points, 6 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 2.7 steals and 1 block per game.
Kobe averaged 27.6 points, 5.9 rebounds, 6 assists, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game.
So I think MJ was better...
No way man, Michael Jordan is a lot better than Kobe Bryant, he's even better than Wilt Chamberlain.
Kobe was stupid...He should play college basketball before goin' to the NBA.
And, don't reply to this, you're goin' off-topic

Heh heh heh... Why is it that when there is a topic like this, Kobe's name would always pop-up? Is Kobe is the greatest player ever (as hinted by some Kobe's fans)? Then why can't he lead his team in winning games, aside from MVP awards. And statistics / records will clearly show the obvious answer... not unless the viewer is blind!

[patrixxx73]

guys. go look up the kobe thread. everything is there. ever wondered what kobe eats for breakfast? its there. what color panties does kobe wear? its there.

in my opinion the fact that kobe bryant shares the letters o, e, r, and a in his name with michael jordan is a disgrace. comparing them is like asking a heterosexual male if he wants dick or pussy. bryant is a joke, id take fuckin' wade anyday.

I definitely agree with you on that magius! and I'm already sick and tired of hearing Kobe's name!

[kingtrobe807]

I got a quick Question..Who was the youngest to start an NBA all-star game???

[cyanide]

Who cares? It doesn't prove that Kobe is better than MJ.

[boconcio]

it just means that he was one of the best nba players that time... so what?

[baller status]

i would love to see garnett and duncan switch teams just to prove a lotta people wrong. duncan is the quiet type leader and just makes everyone so much better... garnett hasnt shown his leadership to the point that his team gets knocked out in the playoffs... if they even make it to playoff level.

id say fundamentals & leadership>athleticism

but on the subject... what kind of a comparison is this... of course duncan is better right now. u cant judge players that have aged and are injury prone after their prime years. even if both were in their primes, it would be a tough choice. duncan has range on shots and can draw shaq out of his comfort zone and can just as easily make quick post up moves... shaq is just as good if not better at doing his thing-being dominant.

[Andrew]

In terms of overall talent, Tim Duncan. He's the more skillful offensive player and I consider him to be the more dedicated and intelligent defender. But Shaq's no slouch in the talent department and let's not underrate the ability he had in his prime to fully utilise his natural advantage.

Duncan is the more skillful and talented player, Shaq is the more physically dominant. I'll give the nod to Duncan but just barely.

I got a quick Question..Who was the youngest to start an NBA all-star game???

Not only does that prove nothing in terms of who is the superior player, it can be countered with this question: How many NCAA championships and awards did Kobe win? Entering the league as a teenager and winning a popularity contest doesn't make you better than someone who sustained a level of excellence that can be matched by few other players for more than a decade.

Anyway, that's enough off-topic discussion for me. There really is no need to bring Kobe into discussions where he clearly doesn't belong.

[Null17]

I got a quick Question..Who was the youngest to start an NBA all-star game???

so what? that just means he's popular. it's not like it's the all-nba team

[Matt]

what Andrew said.

[galvatron3000]

I got a quick Question..Who was the youngest to start an NBA all-star game???

Just to add, fans voted this cat in when he clearly didn't deserve it (coming off the bench behind a better player at the time in Eddie Jones but the league hyped him up off talent so much fans bought into it, atleast those who don't watch NBA ball until the playoffs begin)

Not only does that prove nothing in terms of who is the superior player, it can be countered with this question: How many NCAA championships and awards did Kobe win? Entering the league as a teenager and winning a popularity contest doesn't make you better than someone who sustained a level of excellence that can be matched by few other players for more than a decade.

Anyway, that's enough off-topic discussion for me. There really is no need to bring Kobe into discussions where he clearly doesn't belong.

Now back to the regular topic.

[Joe']

Back to the regular topic: I would like to see Duncan playing without good teammates...I'm pretty sure he would increase his individual stats, but he couldn't make it to the playoffs. What do u think?

[Wade=Jordan]

on impact i would go with SHAQ, but
with skill TD is the clear winner

[cyanide]

I hope you're not really serious about Wade=Jordan

[Emiliano]

I would definetly take todays SHAQ over Duncan. I mean, who wouldn't love TD...3 rings 3 finals MVP and 1 season MVP

[cyanide]

Now that you mention it, both TD and Shaq has exactly that: 3 rings, 3 Finals MVPs, and 1 season MVP. If I'm not mistaken, they also both have 1 All Star MVPs.

[galvatron3000]

Blame the management of the Timberwolves because Tim may never again play with players that he can't improve significantly enough to make the playoffs where as Garnett had the same team to not make the playoffs that made it to the Western Conference Finals just one year prior. That being said Tim still makes the mediocre players better and the All-Star caliber players Superstars. The thing with Garnett is you can't really tell if he makes Spree and Cassell better or if they enhanced his abilities by being so mentally agressive on the court with him there. With Duncan you had D.Rob there and even though he wasn't All-Star form Robinson his defense and rebounding were of high caliber. You also had a S.A. team that won with Jaren Jackson, Mario Elie, Sean Elliott and Avery Jonson so his talent pool was very close to that of the Timberwolves but I give the edge to the Spurs. The Spurs organization has a standard for players they bring in, high on character, team players. T'Wolves standards are hard to figure when you are willing to go under the table for Joe Smith, and for what, they had him a year before and he wasn't worth going under the table for and to be penalized the way they were, Garnett should have bolted when he had the chance. I believe he may never win unless he goes to another organization.

[Emiliano]

Now that you mention it, both TD and Shaq has exactly that: 3 rings, 3 Finals MVPs, and 1 season MVP. If I'm not mistaken, they also both have 1 All Star MVPs.

You are right...but the only thing TD doesn't have is an All-Star MVP
I hope he would
As far as achievements, they are both pretty much even. As far as skills, I give TD the upper hand.

[Drex]

I thought Timmy D had 2 Season MVP's and one co-MVP (2000?) with Shaq in the ASG

[Null17]

back to back season mvp's not sure about the ASG co-MVP thing

[Amphatoast]

# 2003 USA Basketball Men's Senior National Team
# All-NBA First Team 2003
# NBA Finals MVP 2003
# Two-time Most Valuable Player (2001-02 and 2002-03)
# Named the NBA Finals MVP in both 1999 and 2003 to become just the third player in history to earn Finals MVP honors in each of their first two trips to the Finals (joining Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan)
# Just the second player in NBA history to be named to both an All-NBA Team and an All-Defensive Team in each of his first six seasons (David Robinson was the first and he earned the honors in each of his first seven seasons)
# Has been named to the All-NBA First Team all six seasons, the first player since Larry Bird (fifth in NBA history: Baylor, Bird, Duncan, Pettit and Robertson) to be named All-NBA First Team in each of his first six seasons
# Has earned a spot on the All-Defensive First Team each of the last five seasons after being named to the All-Defensive Second Team as a rookie in '97-98
# Named the 1999 Finals MVP
# Won the 1998 Rookie of the Year
# Named co-MVP of the 2000 All-Star Game
# Been named an All-Star five straight seasons (no game was held in 1999)
# Ranks seventh among active players in playoff career scoring average with 23.9 ppg
# Played for the USA Team in the 1999 Americas Qualifying Tournament in San Juan, Puerto Rico, was selected to play for the U.S. Team in the 2000 Olympics but had to withdraw due to a knee injury
# Been named the NBA Player of the Week 15 times and the Player of the Month four times
# Leads all players in the NBA in double-doubles over the last six seasons
# Named to the All Tournament Team for the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Qualifying Tournament after leading the U.S. Team to the Gold Medal

just some of duncan's career highlights