5 most overated players in the nba

Malone > Duncan

I havent posted in aaaaaaaages...but this post got me outraged had to come back

2. elton brand - a 20 and 10 player with a grand total of, drum roll, zero playoff games. nuff said.

Elton Brand is one of the most UNDERRATED players in the game...give the guy some good teammates and he's in the playoffs...

two options for 10. this is my 'controversial' pick. i think theyre both great players, but i just wanted to throw an opinion out there.

10a. kevin garnett - great player, then again great players win championships, hell, good players get their teams into the finals. hes actually a favourite player of mine, but consider this: throughout this career he has earned a grand total of 150 million dollars. he's 29. in comparison, tim duncan, 2 time mvp, 3 time champion, 3 time finals mvp has earned.... 70 million. shaqille o'neal, mvp, 3 time champion, 3 time finals mvp, 4 years older..... 190 million. michael jordan, greatest player of all time..... 100 million. it seems the better the player the lower the salary. overpaid and overrated arent the same thing, but this fact made me put him on here. if he wins a championship he proves all wrong. winning is everything. and he missed the playoffs in the prime of his career. unforgivable.

Damn right this is controversial! the guy has done nothing but good.. he has led the timberwolves to the playoffs so many times its not funny! Hey he has only got outta the first round a couple of times but look at the supporting cast

10b. jermaine o'neal - i dont really know if he belongs here, but i didnt want to put kg alone. besides, rule number one: a post player should always be shooting around 50%.

Another stupid comment

1. karl malone - stocktons bitch

Are you on drugs?

2. reggie miller - clutch shooter, yeah. zero championships? dont care. if all i need is clutch ill call horry thank you very much.

Must be

3. patrick ewing - a small forward in a centres body is not a good thing.

Definitely drugs

5b. gary payton - hes never been the best point guard of ANY era hes ever played in. hes a good player, but i wouldnt build around him.

He was always one of the top 3 point guards when he was the Sonics... doesnt make him overrated

1. tim duncan - a superstar that can play within a system?!! in this day and age! gasp. shock. theres no one i would rather build a team around then he.

How can he be underrated? he's won the MVP on numerous occasions! haha

2 scottie pippen - average numbers. game breaker. he guarded the best, and he shut em down, he made the right passes that didnt count as assists but may as wellve. this guy sets the tempo for a team on both ends.

He's deemed as one of the best sidekicks in history! how can that be underrated

3. dennis rodman - hands down grittiest player ever. he could guard anything with two feet. name one other player that has been specifically asked to guard shaq, jordan, and malone.... and did well.

Also not underrated...when did he have to guard jordan?

5. shaqille o'neal - some respect please. a lot of people say the guys got no talent. please. this guys not just big, hes quick. he has dominated the nba for a decade, and he wouldve won a championship with anyone.

He's known as one of the greatest to play the game! still dont know how thats being underrated!
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i believe this is base on your own opinion...
sounds like you hate the Spurs.
crap, oh crap...

honestly, what else could it be based on???

I hate Duncan from the bottom of my heart, but Duncan is NOT overrated, I might even say underrated because most people do dislike or hate him. Duncan probably makes Ginobili and Parker overrated actually.

I would go with:
1. Yao: He averages so little rebounds for his tremendous height it makes no sense. He's not 20-10. He's 18-8. He's not even top 10 in rebounds he is 20th in rebounds to be exact. Yes, there are 19 better rebounders than him, one of them Antoine Walker, just to show you an example, and 1 player taller than him, who just retired. For his height, and for the minutes he gets, it's pathetic. Not to mention he constantly gets into foul trouble (3.7 personal fouls per game this season!!), is soft, and has low stamina as well.
2. Starbury: Can dominate the ball, but can't dominate the game. Makes assists for the sake of stuffing his stats. He is almost the perfect anti-team baller.
3. K-mart: Well we saw how he played this year. I'm sorry but K-mart was Kidd's bitch. Kidd makes almost everyone into all stars. Seriously.
4. Peja Stojakovic: I don't like those shooting big men types. What the hell are they doing shooting threes? Tell me someone other than Bird who used a long range shooting big man to win a championship. What made Bird different then? Larry Bird knew how to defend...well depends on who you ask, but obviously he defends better than Peja. Also Bird was much more clutch. Peja doesn't know what defend means.
5. Dirk Nowitzki: Ditto. Did you see what happened to him after the Rockets put Tmac on him? I sense trouble. Dirk Nowitzki is however a pretty good player, offensively anyhow. Overrated, though.

Shaq is underrated because there are still people who say "Shaq is just fat and big". I don't see Shawn Kemp at 500 pounds dominating the league anymore.

Rodman defended Jordan when he was in the Pistons no?

Also I'd say Pippen is underrated because people always say "He was nothing without Jordan...without Jordan he would've been a nobody." In fact I think that's probably the majority...Most people I talked to have said that or "you know how he stinked in Houston and Portland". Stuff like that.

i like em all yao is kool

Malone > Duncan

duncan > garnett > malone

as for pross......if all you can reply with is "haha" and "oh man your on drugs" your probably as stupid as you sound.

Elton Brand is one of the most UNDERRATED players in the game...give the guy some good teammates and he's in the playoffs...

brad miller, ron artest, corey magette, quentin richardson. im waiting. why is it that everytime someones favorite player doesnt make the playoffs somehow its not his fault. oh if only we had a better team, whine, whine, whine. if, if, if. coulda, woulda, shoulda. blah blah blah. all i hear is excuses for an overrated player. sure he plays with lots of energy, but who cares, 20 and 10 power forward should be someone you can build a playoff team around, brand has had 6 six seasons of pure and utter NOTHING.

Damn right this is controversial! the guy has done nothing but good.. he has led the timberwolves to the playoffs so many times its not funny! Hey he has only got outta the first round a couple of times but look at the supporting cast

"couple" implies twice, more like ONCE, friend. supporting cast looked pretty good to me last year. someone whos as good as i and everyone else thinks he is should be able to at least get last years minny team into the playoffs.

Another stupid comment

read the above quote, ignore "another" and "comment", go the bathroom, look in the mirror, point at yourself, and repeat whats left.


karl malone + reggie miller + patrick ewing = *drum roll* ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS! hip hip hooray!

He was always one of the top 3 point guards when he was the Sonics... doesnt make him overrated

your right, that alone shouldnt make him overrated. my mistake, it was a bit of bias coming from my dislike of his abnormally big cocky head. he is overrated if you consider him in the higher echolon of nba point guard history though..... he is not in stockton, magic, o, or isiah territory. i would take jason kidd over him.

How can he be underrated? he's won the MVP on numerous occasions! haha

see the first post in this thread.

He's deemed as one of the best sidekicks in history! how can that be underrated

some people say he doesnt deserve to be in the top 50 and use his stats as a basis for argument. i based the choice on that.

Also not underrated...when did he have to guard jordan?

in the late 80s with detroit.

He's known as one of the greatest to play the game! still dont know how thats being underrated!

have you ever read people saying shaq has no skill and is just a fat bastard? thats being underrated. how about only winning one mvp in his entire career?

current overrated

3. steve francis - nice numbers, real nice numbers. thats about it. you know you suck when you dont make the playoffs AND average 4 turnovers per games. smart coach would let dimnished hill control the ball more and francis less. thats saying something.

Wow, so why is he over-rated cause he turns the ball over.....and they diddnt make the playoffs because of injurys and coaching troubles, rem they diddnt have a real coach a few weeks after the all star break.

hes made the playoffs with the rockets before......

steve francis over-rated is a dumb thing to say, under-rated if anything....

oh and I dont see why francis gets such a knock for the turnover thing....because AI does it about the same or more and so does kobe and d-wade, even lebron james and steve nash........


1. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia 76ers) 4.59
2. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat) 4.17
3. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers) 4.09
4. Steve Francis (Orlando Magic) 4.06
5. Antoine Walker (Boston Celtics) 3.29
6. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers) 3.28
7. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns) 3.27

turnovers happen, to people who control the ball the most on there team and francis has to do everything for his team basically without francis the magic would be in Bobcat satus or even Atlanta Hawk status......

hes under-rated

9. zach randolph - whenever he jumps for a defensive rebound i half expect his balls to explode from his groin and magically swish through his own basket. his defense is that bad. borderline 20 and 10 and only cuz he scores off his own misses.

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKHEAD

Anyways, magius knows jackshit and eats poo and stuff like that (i'll calm down so i dont get banned..)

Elton Brand is one of the most UNDERRATED players in the game...give the guy some good teammates and he's in the playoffs...

I definitely agree on this one.

brad miller, ron artest, corey magette, quentin richardson. im waiting. why is it that everytime someones favorite player doesnt make the playoffs somehow its not his fault. oh if only we had a better team, whine, whine, whine. if, if, if. coulda, woulda, shoulda. blah blah blah. all i hear is excuses for an overrated player. sure he plays with lots of energy, but who cares, 20 and 10 power forward should be someone you can build a playoff team around, brand has had 6 six seasons of pure and utter NOTHING.

i dont agree, Most of those players weren't at their absolute tip-top potential best type thingy. His team sux, he doesn't. If you think that 20 and 10 sucks, then, you're an idiot.

Duncan probably makes Ginobili and Parker overrated actually.

A little bit, umm yess that's true, i'll agree, but not all the way overrated, but only a tiny bit.

3. patrick ewing - a small forward in a centres body is not a good thing.

It can be a damn good thing thank you very much..

I don't wanna make a list, because i respect the NBA players because they make more money than me

He averages so little rebounds for his tremendous height it makes no sense. He's not 20-10. He's 18-8. He's not even top 10 in rebounds he is 20th in rebounds to be exact. Yes, there are 19 better rebounders than him, one of them Antoine Walker, just to show you an example, and 1 player taller than him, who just retired. For his height, and for the minutes he gets, it's pathetic. Not to mention he constantly gets into foul trouble (3.7 personal fouls per game this season!!), is soft, and has low stamina as well.

Low stamina? Why is that? Because he's always playing basketball all year long. He doesn't get enough minutes to pull down enough boards every game... why do people expect Yao to pull down 10 boards a game just because he's tall? That's just bull.. i bet if Yao was a 20-10 guy, y'all be saying, 'oooh... why isnt he 30-15?'

Also, you may need to understand that maybe Yao isn't a hustler on the boards... he's got a nice shooting touch and decent passing skills... this is good right? Why don't people look at his good side? Overrated? Maybe a little but not the most. What did people expect him to do?

- Make an impact on the court and make a bigger one off of it

18 and 8 is good and one of the best for centers around the NBA and haven't you seen bball's popularity soar in China?

This year will be good because he hasn't been tied up to NT commitments.. we shall see a bit more of what he's made of.

I'll just echo what everyone said...Duncan overrated?! would've reacted a lot earlier if I wasn't asleep or in school

and for me it's more or less TD=KG=Malone...

it's unfair to say KG is overrated because he has no rings. Blame that on team management. Take Duncan and KG away from their respective teams and what do you have? SAS has Parker & Ginobili and Minny has no one worth mentioning.

You could turn around and say Duncan is overrated because of his choke job vs Pistons and the fact that his team never beat the Lakers in Shaq's prime, in fact they got wiped off the floor.

Disagree on Elton Brand, he's deffinately underrated. No one is saying LeBron is overrated because he hasnt played a playoff game.

Agreed on Peja & Dirk as overrated.

1. Yao: He averages so little rebounds for his tremendous height it makes no sense. He's not 20-10. He's 18-8. He's not even top 10 in rebounds he is 20th in rebounds to be exact. Yes, there are 19 better rebounders than him, one of them Antoine Walker, just to show you an example, and 1 player taller than him, who just retired. For his height, and for the minutes he gets, it's pathetic. Not to mention he constantly gets into foul trouble (3.7 personal fouls per game this season!!), is soft, and has low stamina as well.

You're looking at all the wrong stats. Rebounds PER game is probably one of the most misleading and a inaccurate stat there is.
1) It doesn't take minutes into consideration which Yao plays very little for a player his caliber. 2) It doesn't take the pace the teams play with into consideration which determines how many chances there are to actually grab a rebound. Houston plays at a very low pace. 3) It doesn't take into consideration how many rebounds of available rebounds one gets. For example, player A could grab 4 out of 10 rebounds while player B could grab 6 out of 18 rebounds. Player A is the superior rebounder.

With that all said, there is a stat that very accurately measures one's rebounding ability and that's Rebound Rate.

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Rebound rate (available since the 1971 season in NBA); the formula is (TRB * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm TRB + Opp TRB)), multiplied by 100. Rebound rate is an estimate of the percentage of missed shots a player rebounded while he was on the floor.

Yao Ming is actually around 12-14th best rebounder in the league. Sure, he could improve but he's not as pathetic as you make it out to be.

He's also a great defender and scores at a very high rate.

I also don't understand this "soft" talk. It's a myth. What difference does it make if a player scores with a fadeaway jumper as opposed to a thunderous dunk. They're both worth 2 points aren't they?

Over rated?

Why are the top players on the over rated list... not the suckest but got a playing spots on a team on the list...

Over rated, maybe Mark Pope?! He shouldnt even be in the NBA anymore..haha, and he's a 12th man?! Nahh...

Yao Ming is actually around 12-14th best rebounder in the league.

I agree Yao isn't overrated at all, but he's not the 12-14th best rebounder. Crazy rebounders like Reggie Evans and Dan Gadzuric aren't even in that list.

How come cyanide that first guy comes tou your mind when we're talking about overrated players- is Radmanovic. I mean, there's a lot more bigger stars that are overrated. Magius said it well- Peja. Classic example of guy beaing overrated. The only thing he has is shoot. Nothing else.

how bout ben wallace??? i think he is overrated but not to the extent of peja, starbury, and yao ming.

duncan > garnett > malone

How exactly do you come to that conclusion? Apart from the awards the media votes on, all Duncan has on Malone are rings, which is important but it's too much of a team thing to base your entire opinion on it.

one of the most over-rated is Ray Allen, whats the difference between him and the 5 years ago Allan Houston?

KG should have led his team into the playoffs this year, they had some nice players.

Yao is over-rated for sure, if i had his size, i would play better than him, he should score over each and every center in the league.

For Shaq, i don't think he is over-rated or under-rated, he is a fat bitch, for sure, but he can pass the ball to the open teammate. We all know Shaq is very quick in the low post game, that makes him the best center in the league nowadays, but he's not one of my fav. players at all, i just hate his style.

Francis is so fucking overrated, he's even more over-rated than Iverson, who has to shoot 50 balls per game to get 30 points. Francis is a showman, not a team leader.

Melo is also very overrated, i'd take Richard Jefferson over him any time, even knowing Jefferson is also overrated.


Baron Davis must be one of the most under-rated guys, in my opinion he is the 2nd best PG in the league now (just after Kidd, and considering Wade as a SG). He can play VERY good defense, pass the ball pretty well, cover the passing lanes, is fast and quick, good jumping and rebounding skills, can even shoot a long-range shot or drive into the lane for a dunk, he is a complete player.

Pippen most be one of the most under-rated ever, i'm absolutely sure he could guard Jordan if they werent playing together. He may be one of the most complete players ever.



can remember anyone else, lol.

one of the most over-rated is Ray Allen, whats the difference between him and the 5 years ago Allan Houston?

Allen isn't very one dimensional. He has underrated passing skills and he is nearly a 24-5-5 player. Allen also can slash to the basket a lot more effectively and he has more athleticism than Houston too.

I love having Magius back. If I knew a stupid topic like this would bring him back from so long ago, I'd have made a topic like this on a daily basis. Where's the heart emoticon when you need it?

FUCK YOU YOU FUCKHEAD

Anyways, magius knows jackshit and eats poo and stuff like that (i'll calm down so i dont get banned..)

Down boy, Magius is a good guy...

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karl malone + reggie miller + patrick ewing = *drum roll* ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS! hip hip hooray!

Tyronne Lue + Darko Milicic + Brian Shaw = 7 championships

Edit: I just realised magius has one of my favourite quotes here.. "You're a disgrace to retards"

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Gee,how I hate threads like this.. pointless to say the least.

Carmelo isn't really overatted anymore, people hated on him so much last year, and no one was even putting him as a Top 3 03-04 rookie anymore, Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were all being ranked aead of him. Some do still overatte him, because in reality, he hardly breaks the Top 10 SF list [better than him: Tmac, Lebron, Marion, Artest, Kirilenko, Jefferson, Maggette, Jamison, Carmelo, Rashard...]

Baron got a little underatted last year because of the New Orleans failure. People seemed to forget how good he was, and his ability to carry a team, and also produce on both ends of the floor.

2. elton brand - a 20 and 10 player with a grand total of, drum roll, zero playoff games. nuff said.

how about playing with players who just want to pad their stats for a contract, while being on a team that has had injury problems the last 4 years? The Clippers managament never commiting to getting a strong bench and overall strong team that can cope through injuries. The Clippers being +.500 before injuries last season, and over .500 when their starting lineup started in 03-04. Brand can win, the Clippers just need to stay healhty, actually get a bench, and continue to promote a winning enviroment.

Yao isn't overatted, all we hear these days is how soft he is, and how he can't carry a team etc. It's fairly true, but if that's all we hear, then who is overatting him? The flies?

I've actually started considering KG a little underatted. Too many people after last season are jumping on the KG is overatted bandwagon, and totally neglecting how good the guy really is, and how much impact he can have on both ends of the floor.

have you ever read people saying shaq has no skill and is just a fat bastard? thats being underrated. how about only winning one mvp in his entire career?

Shaq doesn't get MVP's because people always say, oh, he's a candidate every year, so let this other guy get it. Then next year comes, and the same thing happens. Anyone that says Shaq has no skill doesn't know basketball, plain and simple. Play basketball, and just get really big, and see how good you are. Shaq is one of the most skilled big men ever to play the game. He might have about 0 perimeter game, but his post moves, counter-moves, and quickness in the post is just amazing, even now that he's older and not as athletic.

KG should have led his team into the playoffs this year, they had some nice players.

You have no idea what was going on this past season. Sprewell was complaining, Cassell was complaining and hurt, Kandi didn't care, Wally was complaining, Flip lost complete control of the team, the team lost a step and Garnett was playing on an injury that should have sidelined him for weeks. Garnett single-handedly almost got the Wolves into the postseason, this year's wolves team was one of the worst teams in the league without Garnett. You really think this starting lineup is playoff worthy?

Anthony Carter
Latrell Sprewell
Trenton Hassell
Kevin Garnett
John Thomas

Yao Ming is actually around 12-14th best rebounder in the league.

I agree Yao isn't overrated at all, but he's not the 12-14th best rebounder. Crazy rebounders like Reggie Evans and Dan Gadzuric aren't even in that list.

Well that list is for basically starters (players who played more than 2200) minutes. Otherwise he's around 14-16