Updated Pacers offseason plan

"You" won't get Luis Scola. His buyout clause is about 14 million dollars. Plus "you" would have to get his rights from the Spurs.

Don't you get it? The Spurs are shopping Scola all over the league, that's why they signed Oberta.

Who says? That's not why they signed Oberto, it was because Scola's buy out clause was too big for them so they got an alternative for the upcoming season. I read no trade rumours at all until after they signed him. Regardless, even if "you" traded for him, where is the 14 million dollars going to come from to buy out his European contract?

As far as the Tinsley talk goes, I think you and Pavel Rubin would've gotten along very very well.

i'd like to commend indypacers. fans should expect championships for a team in a situation like indiana. indiana is now a perennial title contender. if the fans were content with the team just making the playoffs, there's no pressure on the management to improve the team. as for the biased stuff hehe....

from what i've read, Jasikevicius is a good shooter. good for him being on the championship team. outside of that, tinsley beats him in all facets of the game

and for the Jasikevicius supporters... what is so good about this guy? is he much better then a player like tinsley, a pure point guard who has played for a playoff team several years and and still has yet to fullfill his potential?

I'm iffy about Jackson being the starting SG. After JON he's probably the #2 scoring option, not sure if that 1-2 punch is going to take it all the way past Spurs, Miami, Detroit, etc..

Take 10 years off Reggie and put him as your SG and yeah, i think you've got a contender.

I'm iffy about Jackson being the starting SG. After JON he's probably the #2 scoring option, not sure if that 1-2 punch is going to take it all the way past Spurs, Miami, Detroit, etc..

Are you kidding me?

Artest is by far the second scoring option, Tinsley and Jackson are equal for the 3rd guy.

Artest is stronger and meaner, but he's a career 41% shooter, 31% from range. Jacks isn't much better at 40% but he's hitting his 3's slightly better at 36%, 2 years ago both were scoring about the same ~18 per game. Either way, neither Artest or Jackson will draw more than single coverage shooting those kind of #s.

But, i will concede that i'm not the best guy to comment on what the Pacers need...they do very well in their own system.

Artest is stronger and meaner, but he's a career 41% shooter, 31% from range. Jacks isn't much better at 40% but he's hitting his 3's slightly better at 36%, 2 years ago both were scoring about the same ~18 per game. Either way, neither Artest or Jackson will draw more than single coverage shooting those kind of #s.

This is the best critisism of the pacers anyone has ever brought up to me on the board. Thank you for giving me some real evidence for what you think on the subject instead of "the pacers need a center" or "the pacers get injured too much"

Jack drew double teams pretty often last year without artest, with artest he will be able to be less of a focal point and that's where he will thrive. When he is the number one guy, he jacks up too many ill-advised shots, not because he's a hot head, but because he doesn't play the role of top dog well enough. Its just not his game. When he can be the 3rd or 4th option, he thrives.

Artest is a great offensive player, I don't even think people realize that. He shoots the three pretty well, he can drive, he's much quicker then it seems, and he actually has a pretty good first step. He can beat guys off the dribble by making an overpowering move, then finessing it. I think Artest could easily average 22 ppg if he wanted to, but he isn't the focal point of the offense, and he's much better when he uses most of his energy on the defensive end.

The main reason I see the Pacers as bigger title contenders then most give them credit for, is the front court. A front court of Dale Davis, Jermaine O'Neal and Ron Artest is scary on its own. When you throw in David Harrison, Jeff Foster, and Danny Granger as 2nd teamers, that's a damn strong and ferocious bunch of guys. I don't think you can even argue that any team in the league has even close to as deep of a front court. Also, imagine if Bender played up to his potential. The THIRD line of front court-ers would be James Jones, Jonathon Bender and Scot Pollard. That's damn good especially when you still have Autsin Croshere there.

When you have a frontcourt that is that good, combined with a back court of Tinsley (capable of putting up big points and assists) Jackson, Fred Jones, Anthony Johnson and when you want to go big, Ron artest and Granger, I think this team is the best Pacers team ever. And I have seen many tapes of the ABA days, I remember the 93,94,95 Pacer teams, and I remember the 98 team and the 2000 team that went to the finals of course.

You're points are valid, but I think they are minor flaws in an otherwise non-flawed lineup.

I have to agree with Indy, the Pacers look like a very good team on paper. Solid starting line-up and possibly the deepest team in the league.

This is what their roster looks like right now:

C - Jeff Foster
PF - Jermaine O'neal
SF - Ron Artest
SG - Stephen Jackson
PG - Jamaal Tinsley

Bench:
PF - Jonathan Bender
PF - Austin Croshere
PG - Eddie Gill
SF - Danny Granger
C - David Harrison
PG - Anthony Johnson
SG - Fred Jones
C - Scott Pollard

That is their line-up at this moment, and it looks really good already, but if they make the right moves it will look even better.

I think we all agree that Austin Croshere should be released.

They should re-sign Dale Davis right away, and only re-sign James Jones depending on how much he wants, because Granger will more than likely take up most, if not all, the time behind Artest.

I don't think Sarunas Jasikevicius will sign for the Pacers, but I think their PG situation is fine the way it is.

If the Pacers sign Clifford Robinson I think he should be used as insurance for Jonathan Bender. What I mean is play Bender as the back-up PF and if he does not perform the way he should be performing, then they can play Robinson more often.

Even if they don't pull off some of these signings etc., the Pacers already look like a good team on paper and I think they should be placed anywhere from 1-4 in the East at the end of the season.

Clifford Robinson got resigned with the Nets.

Clifford Robinson got resigned with the Nets.

Where did you hear that? Do you have any links?

Last I remember was that the Nets declined his contract option.

And according to this:

http://www.nba.com/transactions/current_month_transactions.html

They have not yet re-signed Cliff Robinson.

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My bad. Your right and Im right.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... _robinson/

Watch out the Pacers! They are on their way to the Finals since 2000.

Habbakuk, its down the the Pacers or the Cavs for Saras.

Oh, really? Last I heard (from a translated hebrew article from Israel) he still isn't decided and atleast a few other teams are in the race - including the Celtics. Even though Boston doesn't have the full MLE to offer (Scalabrine) he's infatuated with Boston and still has them in the running for his services.

This was reported either by Udrih or Udrih's brother - that was unclear. And Udrih's brother plays with Sarunas in Israel.

don't they have new jerseys this season? any pics of it?

Yeah, Cliffy resigned with the Nets.

And I want to see the new jerseys too. When are pics of those being released?