Offers for Kwame Brown

[Fenix]

I average about 3 per day.

(Oooops, I just excelled my norm.)

[Sauru]

brown going to the lakers is probably a really bad thing for him. you think this guy has confidence problems now? wait til he plays with kobe.

[fgrep15]

Obviously.

Kwame has all the talent in the world. Reminds me alot of a young Jermaine, but heres the thing: Jermaine had next to no minutes in portland. Kwame has had ample opportunity in washington. But Kwame has talent... and I hope he does goto LA or NY.

Would it hurt so bad for the wiz to keep him? A frontline of him, haywood and jamison is amongst the best in the nba, talent wise.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm not a fan of Kwame's attitude through this whole season, and I don't trust him, but the Wiz would be better off with a low post scorer than another peimter player giving 16-18 PPG. If they can have Kwame giving just 13+ points, 8+ rebounds at the PF spot, it would benefit the team more, and he's capable of even better than that at this point.

[Ruff Ryder]

brown going to the lakers is probably a really bad thing for him. you think this guy has confidence problems now? wait til he plays with kobe.

It shouldn't be a big problem. He's not gonna demand the ball.

Anyway if I'm WAS, I'm looking to replace Larry Hughes, so I think Posey or Butler would be a good deal.

[TheFranchiseKing]

Some more info.

Sources involved with the discussions say that the Wizards are talking to the Los Angeles Lakers about a sign-and-trade deal in which forward Kwame Brown, the top pick in the 2001 NBA draft, would go to the Lakers in exchange for swingman Caron Butler." Philadelphia Inquirer

"Butler has been available during most of his yearlong stay in Los Angeles. If the Lakers move him and, as expected, release forward Brian Grant in order to save money under the luxury tax, they would have precious little to show for their blockbuster trade of Shaquille O'Neal to Miami." Philadelphia Inquirer

[tsherkin]

I was thinking the same thing. I'm not a fan of Kwame's attitude through this whole season, and I don't trust him, but the Wiz would be better off with a low post scorer than another peimter player giving 16-18 PPG. If they can have Kwame giving just 13+ points, 8+ rebounds at the PF spot, it would benefit the team more, and he's capable of even better than that at this point.

I'm not a fan of him staying in Washington; the fans have turned on him and don't support him, Arenas doesn't do post entry passes well (Hughes did but not very often) and the coach has geared the team around guard scoring and ignoring the low post. He has no place there.

L.A. is better but Kobe is going to be as bad for him as MJ was when he played in Washington. Still, Phil Jackson could be a great teacher and if he installs Kwame as the #2 option (assuming of course the deal goes through) or the #3, we could see Kwame really start to take off.

[TheFranchiseKing]

Kobe is going to love this trade. Caron is the only Laker that could stand Kobe.

Bye BYe Only Friend!!

[maes]

JON's situation in POR was about minutes vs Sabonis & Sheed Wallace, he was considered very talented by the Portland crew. His 2nd year he average 13 minutes a game, triple that to give him 39 mpg like a starter and his stats are:
13.5 ppg 10.2 rpg 2.91 bpg. But JON could never get more than 13 mpg for 4 years.

Kwame DOES play significant minutes. He averaged 30mpg last season, he started playing 22 mpg even in his 2nd year. He's been given the opportunity. It's not like Washington won't play him to make sure Ethan Thomas gets enough touches.

IMHO Kwame is just one of those cases with young big men where you have to be careful about why he dominated school ball. A lot of big men just used their height advantage, which vaporizes in the NBA. A lot of college stars fizzled in the NBA because all of a sudden everyone is bigger than they are...HS is even a bigger gap.

[air gordon]

tsherkin:

i agree, going to a big city team like nyk, philly, or la would be bad for him. is pressure a bad thing? depends how much is being put on him and i don't know how he handles it in the 1st place

as far as the commidity thing, you misunderstood. i'm not saying he should be 'shopped' around but that he is a valuable player and that why all these teams are interested in him.

mafia was referring to him as a bust, a 14ppg/8rpg player. contrary to what he thinks, any team would covet that from their post position. these teams being reported as making offers for him further supports this

[Andrew]

I was watching Game 1 of the first round series between the Bulls and Wizards last night (I just got the DVD from PonTel the other day) and was amazed to see how well he played in that contest. But as people have been saying for most of his NBA career now, he'll show these flashes of brilliance from time to time but then he disappears and his attitude is suspect.

[Fresh8]

What he needs a different environment. You can call him immature if you will, maybe he shouldn't be exposed to a tough treatment... but that's only my say. You may call them a wuss or whatever but if the player will play better in a nurturing environment, isn't that better for the team?

[Matthew]

No, you dont want a bucn of soft cunts playing in the NBA. If he can't handle it in training, how will he handle playing warriors like Kenyon Martin, Kevin Garnett, Kobe, Lebron, Amare etc etc.

I think he's over that stage though. If he gets minutes in washington, he may be the missing peice. The wiz could have a great defensive ball club if they go arenas, jeffries, jamison, brown and haywood. Of course they'd be light on outside shooting, but i think they could live with that.

If the wizards trade him for sweetney, they're idiots. They used the number 1 pick, spent all this time devoloping him, and now they're about to let him go when he's ready to produce?

[Fenix]

Some are saying that ESPN reported that he has been traded to Lakers (probably for Butler), but the report was taken down. That wouldn't be a good scenario for him. It would be better for him if he went to Atlanta. Less stress, more scoring opportunities.

[Matthew]

But he'd be the focus of the defense's attention if he was in Atlanta... In LA that would be good. He'd be the 3rd option, behind Kobe and Odom, but the primary post option (same as in washington, with jamison and arena's ahead of him). However, Kobe and odom are fantastic shot creaters for their teamates, and Brown would have Phil Jackson who has proven he can bring out the best in players skills.

Isnt it funny? Remember how alot of the laker dynasties on here had trades for kwame, and now the lakers are very close (or have?) indeed traded for him.

[Fenix]

Perhaps you're right.

BTW, this guy was measured at 7'1/2''/275lbs at Washington's training camp. He's huge! Plus he has tremendous athleticism and rather decent skills. He's same age as Samuel Dalembert (the latter is three months older) and if everyone believe that he can be something special, why couldn't be also Kwame? He has better basketball IQ than Sam-I-Am and I don't believe that his motor is that bad. They have good article about him over at RealGM: http://realgm.com/src_goaltending/54/20050712/the_book_on_kwame_brown/. 20/11 doesn't sound all that bad, does it?

[Matthew]

Interesting article... But I think Jordan's return was a blessing for Kwame. All the attention on Mike and Doug Collins. Kwame was an afterthought. Jordan did chew him up in practice, but you play as you train. As harsh as some of those lessons were, if Kwame becomes an all star he will remember those and realise.

And Kobe is fast becoming a leader. Just becuase a team doesnt make the playoffs doesn't mean he isnt a leader. I wonder if people consider Lebron not to be a leader...

I think it's Kwame's time, and its a relatively small investment. The Wizards should not take any less than Caron Butler though.

[tsherkin]

Perhaps you're right.

BTW, this guy was measured at 7'1/2''/275lbs at Washington's training camp. He's huge! Plus he has tremendous athleticism and rather decent skills. He's same age as Samuel Dalembert (the latter is three months older) and if everyone believe that he can be something special, why couldn't be also Kwame? He has better basketball IQ than Sam-I-Am and I don't believe that his motor is that bad. They have good article about him over at RealGM: http://realgm.com/src_goaltending/54/20050712/the_book_on_kwame_brown/. 20/11 doesn't sound all that bad, does it?

I'm rather glad you like that article;

I wrote it.

I was watching Game 1 of the first round series between the Bulls and Wizards last night (I just got the DVD from PonTel the other day) and was amazed to see how well he played in that contest. But as people have been saying for most of his NBA career now, he'll show these flashes of brilliance from time to time but then he disappears and his attitude is suspect.

JON's situation in POR was about minutes vs Sabonis & Sheed Wallace, he was considered very talented by the Portland crew. His 2nd year he average 13 minutes a game, triple that to give him 39 mpg like a starter and his stats are:
13.5 ppg 10.2 rpg 2.91 bpg. But JON could never get more than 13 mpg for 4 years.

Kwame DOES play significant minutes. He averaged 30mpg last season, he started playing 22 mpg even in his 2nd year. He's been given the opportunity. It's not like Washington won't play him to make sure Ethan Thomas gets enough touches.

IMHO Kwame is just one of those cases with young big men where you have to be careful about why he dominated school ball. A lot of big men just used their height advantage, which vaporizes in the NBA. A lot of college stars fizzled in the NBA because all of a sudden everyone is bigger than they are...HS is even a bigger gap.

These are all huge misconceptions, all of which are handled in my article.

[Fenix]

I remember all the legends they wrote about Kwame - how he lived on fast food for his first years and how he couldn't find a way to wash his clothes. I do believe most of theme were just that - legends, pure fiction/yellow press. OK, he was stopped a couple of times for speeding, but who so was I and probably most of you guys, who are old enough to have a driving license. We should look at the facts: he's a legitimate big (7'1/2'', 275lbs) with superb athleticism and who was Washington's best post defender a couple of seasons ago. Now, he did indeed looked lost occasionaly, but anyone would, if Gilbert Arenas was his point. Plus, his offensive skills are already good and are still developing. If I was a GM in this league, I would've taken a chance on him. People are talking about how his agent wants 3yr guaranteed contract (6 million per) and that seems fairly reasonably.

[Its_asdf]

remember all the legends they wrote about Kwame - how he lived on fast food for his first years and how he couldn't find a way to wash his clothes.

I think that was Gilbert Arenas....

[J@3]

I read one ages ago about him being really immature and getting lost in shopping malls that sounds similar to what VanK's talking about.

[Zee]

Wow, it would be fun to see Jax try to coach Kobe, Bynum, and Brown all at once, but I think giving up Butler for Brown is a bad idea. Butler's already pretty good, he's one of the only players that can get along and play well with Kobe, and he still has a lot of potential to be even better. So hopefully the deal won't go through...

[Bang]

I think the biggest problem is his work ethic. He'll get nowhere with that.

[fgrep15]

Kwame's work ethic is actually not bad. Before this season started, he improve his skills, his post moves, gained wieight in anticipation of having to play center with the addition of Jamison, and put in a lot of work. Then right before the season starts, he got injured, he returned, but wasn't 100%, and then got injured again. To add to that, EJ's guard/perimeter oriented offense didn't have him seeing the ball much, even when he had a defender he could destroy guarding him.

It get's a little frustrating...

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

I'm rather glad you like that article;

I wrote it.

Really? I enjoyed reading that piece very much, very finely structured... Hehe, I wish I could write a bit like than in English, instead of the usual incoherent blah-blah crap that comes out every time I fiddle with the keyboard... Nice job.

[tsherkin]

I do have to make some amendments to that article though (particularly about the playoff suspension). Apparently, I have some of my facts mixed up, so I'm talking to one of my sources and I'll have an edited version done in short order. I'll post it to this thread when it's finished.