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Postby J@3 on Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:52 pm

Someone posted this at RealGM, they didn't give a link but it sounds official enough...

Andrew Bogut was determined to prove to the Milwaukee Bucks Monday that he was a better athlete than most people perceived.
Mission accomplished.

In an intense, almost non-stop workout in which Bogut was tested in every imaginable way, the 7-foot center from Utah convincingly showed those in attendance he has the necessary athleticism to compete at a high level in the NBA.

During a hour-long workout at the Bucks’ training facility in St. Francis, Bogut raised eyebrows with his agility around the basket, his good footwork and his ability to elevate, which he demonstrated on several occasions with high-flying, powerful one-hand throwdowns.

If anyone had any serious reservations about Bogut’s athleticism, they were emphatically dispelled with a performance that was clearly better than the one turned in by Marvin Williams a day earlier. Bogut and Williams, a 6-8 forward from North Carolina, are the only two players the Bucks are considering for the No. 1 overall selection in the June 28th NBA draft.

After the workout, Bogut said he disappointed in his shooting but was generally satisfied with his audition, which was watched with understandably keen interest by virtually everyone affiliated with the team’s basketball operations and owner Herb Kohl.

Asked what he liked about his showing, Bogut said, “I showed that I can shoot a hook either way, that I’m ambidextrous, that I can get up and down the floor, that I can jump … I’m athletic enough to play in the NBA.’’

Before being put through a rigorous workout by Bucks assistant coaches Bob Ociepka and Mike Sanders, Bogut did a series of drills to measure his jumping abilities. He acquitted himself more than nicely.

Bogut went 28 inches in a no-step, vertical leap and went 31 in a one-step, vertical test. Said one Bucks official: “That’s not good; that’s great for a guy his size.’’

Bogut also showed he has a handle. It might possibly be as good as any center's in the NBA already. In drills where he started from mid-court, Bogut easily dribbled around obstacles before pulling up for a J or taking it hard to the basket. On a couple occasions, Bogut nonchalantly dribbled the ball between his legs or around his back while going full-tilt to the basket.

What Bogut didn’t show in the workout was his passing skills. He wasn’t asked to, because Bucks general manager Larry Harris and the team’s scouting staff had already seen enough of Bogut’s ability either in person or on tape.
“Coming into the league next season, he’ll be one of the five best passing centers in the league,’’ Harris said. “That’s probably his best skill.’’

One other facet of Bogut’s workout that was noticeably impressive was his stamina. While Bogut broke a good sweat, he only took one short, break in the workout. It was amply apparent Bogut came physically prepared.
“He’s been working out the last couple of months almost every day except Sundays,’’ said David A. Bauman, Bogut’s agent from SFX. “Even if he was tired in the workout, he would have played through it. He’s a warrior.’’

Besides his one-step and standing vertical leaps measurements, here are some other notworthy numbers recorded by the Bucks on Bogut: He’s 7-foot1 with shoes and weighs 254 pounds. He has an 8.6 percent body fat and a wing span of 7-2. His vertical reach is 9-2.

Williams, meanwhile, was measured at 6-8 with shoes and weighed 228. He had a 29-inch no-step vertical leap and 33-inch one-step vertical leap. His body fat was 8 percent, while his wing span was 7-3. His vertical reach was 8-11.


* The Bucks plan to do their own testing on Bogut’s eyes. Several weeks ago, Bogut’s former coach at Utah, Rick Majerus, said Bogut had macular degeneration, an eye disease. Utah officials, who I contacted, all disputed Majerus’ contention.

Bauman said tests from the recent pre-draft camp in Chicago showed Bogut’s eyes were fine.

“He was 20/40 without contact lenses; with contact lenses he’s 20/15,’’ Bauman said. “There’s absolutely no issue there. I don’t even know where that started; It’s just preposterous.’’

Told a Web site quoted Majerus as saying Bogut had an eye problem, Bauman said, “Rick Majerus saying that Andrew is going blind is like me saying that Rick Majerus is skinny.’’
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:27 pm

None of that matters to the ESPN crew. As long as people are talking about their columns and views, it doesn't matter how skewed or ignorant they may be.
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Postby Fenix on Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:12 pm

I was curious what my vertical is and I went with my friend to try and measure it.
1. Standing reach measurement.
Mine is 8'2'', which is two inches more than I thought it will be (I'm 6'2 1/2'', 6'5'' wingspan). My friend is 6'1'' with 6'3'' wingspan and 8' vertical reach. And - I must add - we are both badly conditioned :).
2. Finding a true 10' rim.
First we measured the rim (9'11''), then we made marks for every inch above the rim.
3. Testing.
I touched the 10'4'' mark. So that's a 26 inch vertical. Then I took a step and measured at 30 inches. I guess I'm not yet a better athlete than Monta afterall :). My horizontal leap was 109 1/2''. My friend: 22''/25''/100''.

I'm sure that my vertical would drastically improve with conditioning, weight training and plyometrics.
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:00 am

Yea, just conditioning and strength training alone, especially the core which is very important for vertical, and weak in most people can improve your vert 4-8 inches even.

I'm talking like I've actually done this, but I haven't, I just played soccer and ran track through my school years, which builds up your legs like crazy. Speed and vertical are basically almost directly correlated, if you improve your speed your vertical improves, and if your improve your vertical, your speed improves. When you can run a low 11 sec 100m, you vertical will be high.

About Bogut, he's really been doing his thing, I think he will benefit Milwaukee a lot, and if they draft Marvin, I'll just be puzzled.
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Postby tsherkin on Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:29 am

People need to realize what a 30" vertical means for anyone who's 6'6 and over, man...

2.5 feet will put their heads within a foot of the rim and you've got three feet or so of arm length after that, so you can do a LOT. I mean, balls, I'm 6'3 or so and my vert is in the neighborhood of 24-28" and I can dunk on a 10' rim. Think about 2-6" extra of vert and 3"+ of extra height and what that means, then consider the extra wingspan and you get a picture that even the least athletic guys on that least are capable of all kinds of crap you wouldn't expect.

They do a 180-pound bench press, if it's the same as last year.
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Postby J@3 on Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:22 pm

I'm hoping this will see some more shot blocking from Bogut. I mean he's 7 foot flat out, he can jump higher than some of the guards who are in the draft plus he's got reasonably long arms. He's never really been a big shot blocker but if someone can show him how it's done without fouling everyone he might get up in the 1.8-2.4 range some day. Not Mutombo though, God knows that guy doesn't need any more money for whatever it is he does now.
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Postby fgrep15 on Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:19 pm

They do a 180-pound bench press, if it's the same as last year.

I'm pretty sure its's 185lbs.

Also I think most should know what it means for a 6'6 guy to have a 30 inch vert, yes he can do some stuff because he has height, but it's not an impressive feat. Any slightly above average athlete will have a 28-30 inch vert, so it's nothing spectacular.
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Postby air gordon on Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:34 am

i thought it was 185 also.. just throw a plate and a quarter on the bar on each side rather then having the pain of finding two 2.5lb weights along with 2 of 10, 5, 45 weights

are there even 2.5 weights in a college/nba facility :lol:
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Postby tsherkin on Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:51 am

fgrep15 wrote:
They do a 180-pound bench press, if it's the same as last year.

I'm pretty sure its's 185lbs.

Also I think most should know what it means for a 6'6 guy to have a 30 inch vert, yes he can do some stuff because he has height, but it's not an impressive feat. Any slightly above average athlete will have a 28-30 inch vert, so it's nothing spectacular.


You're missing the point; what a reasonably good athlete can do (28"+ of vert) with any kind of height can be special. That's enough for a 360 or a windmill or a two-handed reverse, etc.

And it is impressive to see someone at the height with that athleticism because it's harder to have that kind of athleticism the taller you are. That's why Amare is such a freak.
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