Best Rookie In 3 Years

by **DipSetVC** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:18 am

Awww, son of a b*tch, I can't believe I forgot about Deng, he should be right up there with Livingston and Howard in terms of potential. He's a solid defender, he has decent range and the thing is, he was very effective this year even as a very raw rookie.

by **GloveGuy** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:24 am

lol glove, i could understand the payton bias but are you seriously shocked the celts are not in the poll?? i guess the rest of the gm's in the nba are wrong too because i don't think even one of them voted for jefferson to be the best of his draft class (in the nba.com poll and sam smith had this in an article).

I'm moreso shocked at Jefferson not being in. I didn't expect the other two, but I just wanted to point out that they all have all-star potential and are the future for the Celtics.

It's not a Payton bias. I live in Boston.

I don't care about what every GM saw or didn't see in Jefferson. This is what I see when I watch him play, and I bet that Danny Ainge will tell you the same thing.

it's debateable whether jefferson should be in the poll. i've seen a few celt games and he is talented. but deng should be in the poll before him if anything

Looking at the current options, his and Deng's placement are not debatable.

I don't think Jefferson will be the best just because he has a great back to the basket game. He's really not ahead of any of the other guys right now, and while good, it's debatable.

He's athletic, but not a super athlete, he's mediocre, but he definately does have some good skills. I agree with Air Gordon, a player like Livingston is just so rare that it gives him a very good advantage.

Offense, he's ahead of every big man in his draft. Howard is still unpolished while Okafor's post game isn't anything special. But this guy, like I said, has an uncanny ability to put the ball in the basket. His spin-moves and footwork have amazed me. How is this kid only 19?

You're underrating his athleticism. His body type isn't like Howard's but I've seen this guy get up and make some unbelievable put-backs.

by **fgrep15** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:38 pm

You're underrating his athleticism. His body type isn't like Howard's but I've seen this guy get up and make some unbelievable put-backs.

No I'm really not, I previously thought he was more athletic than he was because I watched him in 3 summer league games, and he was just ripping down the rim, but he's also 6'9 or 6'10, and it's not like he's doing Stromile Swift or Dwight Howard dunks. While he is athletic, he's not an athletic freak, he's just about above average. I do think he'll be good though, double double big man, but how good is up in the air, just cause he can score doesn't mean he'll be better than everyone else.

by **Anthony15** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:49 pm

Iguodala

by **Matt** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 2:21 pm

cyanide wrote:
I'm sure Detroit's really confident with Darko and I'm sure they feel that they made a good choice with him. It's just that he haven't been playing much, but he has potential.

You don't think they'd rather have Wade, Anthony, or Bosh? Even Hinrich instead? Darko has already asked to be traded- they're probably not going to keep him b/c they locked up Rasheed Wallace for the long-term before the season, and Ben Wallace isn't going anywhere. Darko wants to start somewhere- I think he'd rather go to the Hawks than be on Detroit.

You're right though, Cyanide, he does have potential. I just still think they made a big mistake by selecting him. Can you imagine that team with Wade or Anthony on it? It'd be an all-star team!

Joe Dumars made thr right choice. He already had a 2 guard, and Prince proved that he can be the teams future SF. Since LeBron wasn;t available they could afford to take on a project, because they were already a 50 win bacll club. Milicic likely isn;t going anywhere, Dumars has stated numerous times that he IS the future. If anything McDyess or Rasheed will be shipped off.

I still dont see how it's a bad choice, Detroit won the championship and are poised for a repeat

by **COOLmac©** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 3:42 pm

the most idiotic rookie of all time----->Ellis Pervison(or was it pervertson...hell i dont know)...........BOSTON drafted him number one somewhere in 89-91....bet you guys never heard of him

by **Colin** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:23 pm

Ellis Pervison, haven't heard of him. I have heard of Pervis Ellison.

by **COOLmac©** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:28 pm

sorry my mistake

by **beau_boy04** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:37 pm

This was definitely a great Draft.

-Okafor is like a Ben Wallace with an offensive mind.
-Gordon reminds me of Allen Iverson sometimes for his explosiveness and passion for the game.
-Howard could become a great player ala Garnett but its too early to tell.
-Iguodala is one of the complete rookie his game is very polished and balanced. Can't wait to see him on the playoff and next season with AI.
-Deng - this guy is gonna be great

by **furious1** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:51 pm

I guess you all haven't watched many Clipper games when Livingston was healthy and starting.

by **fgrep15** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 9:53 pm

^

I guess since he did only play 20 something games, but people will know next season

by **Strike Freedom** on Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:08 pm

Whoever can jump high and dunks well will be a superstar in future..
Does this statement hold?

Successful good dunkers..
Carter, Mcgrady, Desmond Mason, Baron Davis, Fred Jones, Jason Richardson..etc

Unsuccessful..
Deshawn Stevenson??

so i suppose Josh Smith can easily be a superstar.. if he follows Vince footstep..
:mrgreen:

by **fgrep15** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:04 am

No it doesn't neccesarily really make you a superstar, the only superstars there are McGrady, Carter and Baron. Even if we're talking All-Stars, that would only add in Jason Richardson as a possible one.

Then their's jumpers like Travis Outlaw, Qyntel Woods, Eddie Robinson, Andre Emmett, Gerald Wallace, Marcus Haislip [6'10, 40 inch vert], Wilcox, Stromile [good but not a star], Rubuen Patterson, Miles blah blah...

by **Ataraxia** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:57 am

wheres the ballot for JR

How can u put Josh Childress and not JR....damn u man :evil:

anyway I think the best outta the lot will be Dwight Howard....he seems to be the real deal...I think he can be a slightly less better version of KG...

Meka will be an all-star prolly but not a fantastic player...same with Ben Gordon.

Josh Smith still has alot to learn....but he too can be quite a special player...

U guys are also forgetting dorell wright....its sad he had to be stuck in Miami but hopefully when EJ goes he can get minutes even though I hope he leaves the Heat and signs elsewhere when he becomes a freebie....he could be a very special player if he bulks himself up and gets coached by the right coach.

And as for JR Smith....well I think he'll be so great they'll change the NBA Logo of Jerry West and make it a pic of JR Smith dunkin :crazy:

by **bullsfan009** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:51 am

My bad...I tried to put in J.R., Luol Deng, Al Jefferson & more but it said I put too many poll options...

That being said, I guess J.R. should have been over Childress, and maybe Telfair. I don't think he blows away anyone else right now- he's on a really sorry team, so of course he's gonna get numbers. But in 3 years, I do see him averaging 20-22 ppg.

NJ²² wrote:And as for JR Smith....well I think he'll be so great they'll change the NBA Logo of Jerry West and make it a pic of JR Smith dunkin

You're kidding, right? If anyone will get that good, you got to go with LeBron or D-Wade.

I'm surprised that Devin Harris is getting no love...he was the #5 pick overall, and I've seen him make some big-time throwdowns, nice passes, etc. I think he's getting overlooked because he's on such a good team in Dallas.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:49 am

lol, JR Smith right now is still nothing more than a scorer, and the league does have a lot of players that can be possible 20 PPG scorers at the SG spot. He really doesn't have any advantages over some of the other top guys who boast All-Round games and have more superstar potential.

I think Harris is being ignored because while I think he'll be a good PG, how good will he be? Does anyone here see him being a franchise player or averaging 10+ assists or anything like that? Not likely....

Also with Dorell Wright, it's just not fair to put him over guys who are producing as rookies, though most actually have a chance to play unlike him, but he can definately be good. He's got a good shot already and knows how to create for himself, he's athletic, and he even has pretty good handles as a SG.

by **air gordon** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 5:51 am

glove, no offense, but anything you mention about boston's players, i'm going to take with a grain of salt because of your homerism.

by **GloveGuy** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:30 am

Accept it and respect it.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:08 pm

^

Why so many votes for Ben Gordon, I really don't see him being the best out of all of them. He's had a great rookie season, and he's good and all, but I see him being a scorer, and not too much more, though he has decent rebounding and passing skills.

by **DipSetVC** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 12:46 pm

fgrep15 wrote:^

Why so many votes for Ben Gordon, I really don't see him being the best out of all of them. He's had a great rookie season, and he's good and all, but I see him being a scorer, and not too much more, though he has decent rebounding and passing skills.

Why do you act surprised? This board is full of Bulls homers.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:34 pm

Tsk tsk...I resent the implication that all Bulls fans are ignorant morons. :scold:

by **Ataraxia** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:07 pm

Andrew wrote:Tsk tsk...I resent the implication that all Bulls fans are ignorant morons.

Well it would have been true if not for this seasons uprising.

just kiddin Andrew...

I was just kiddin abt JR Smith u know....sheesh its not like I really think JR is gonna be the next logo....that spots reserved for Andre Miller. :lol:

again im JUST JOKING.

I think JR has a good work ethic....thats something thats gonna really help him cause hes keen on learning and Im sure he can loose the tag line of being just a scorer.

Yeah Devin Harris is kinda forgotten but hes not spectacular...he might become an all-star once or twice but nothin more...

Another two guys that have been forgotten are Kirk Snyder and Kris Humpries...KH can turn into a pretty good post player despite him being undersized hes kinda like Dennis Rodman with all that force down low....Snyder has got on the bad side of Sloan and well hes not as "gifted" as Josh, JR and Dorell but I think he'll be a good player down the road too...just maybe not in Utah at least if Sloan's there.

by **fgrep15** on Sat Apr 23, 2005 10:22 pm

I thought it was just a lie that he was undersized cause he's a 6'10 PF, and he's supposed to have fairly long arms too.

by **air gordon** on Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:20 am

GloveGuy wrote:Accept it and respect it.

then go be a homer on celtic board or something... what's worse is that you're asking me to respect your homerism. if desagana diop put on the celtic green, you'd probably say he can become an all star :lol:

fgrep15 wrote:^ Laughing

Why so many votes for Ben Gordon, I really don't see him being the best out of all of them. He's had a great rookie season, and he's good and all, but I see him being a scorer, and not too much more, though he has decent rebounding and passing skills.

lol i wouldn't know. i didn't vote for him. i voted for livingston. yeh i think gordon can be a special player but at this point, hard to say he or just one single player will hands down be the best of a draft class that is pretty damn talented.

DipSetVC: just because certain bulls fans make a lot posts about the bulls, it doesn't make them homers :lol:

by **Bang** on Mon Apr 25, 2005 4:15 am

I've always thought that Ben Gordon was going to be ROTY before the draft. I remember people in my sim league saying "he's too short, he is gonna be a fluke, he can't play shooting guard in the nba" bla bla bla. Oh...look now! (Hey I also figured out that Ginobili would be a great player before the draft. I think someone should hire me.)
Ben Gordon is clutch. You can't teach clutch to most people. Not that many people are so good in the clutch like Ben Gordon. They call him "the Closer" even! That's why Ben Gordon will probably be better than others.

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