<<<It's Official>>> Steve Nash is the BES

Plus, Kidd has had big playoff games and led his team to two straight NBA finals. Now I love Nash's game, but he has to do it at "winnin' time" before I put him over Kidd.

Fu Kidd.

Nash - Better Shooter, Dishes , Mental Game. All

Starbuiry - Better Shotter, Dishes, Mental Game, Offensive Skills

PG Is for the set up. Not the scorer . SO shooting inst that important but when he cant see a good play for what the defense is playing he can go and make one up for his own if his other plays are in a bad position.

Like Starbury, if hes team really needs the UP then he can do it. Off Pressure and in pressure.

Nash the Same (From some games. Im not a 100 % Nash Knower).
Kidd is good and all im not saying he sucks he is a good PG but hes not better than Nash. Just wanted to state.

starbury Shall always be the best though.

starbury Shall always be the best though.

as much as i like the knicks, he still needs to prove himself in the playoffs like KG had to do.

imo
1.alston
2.williams
3.marbury
4.baron

imo
1.alston
2.williams
3.marbury
4.baron

Another smart kid except Baron

Big Skip To ma Lou Fan, Big Williams Fan.

Skip is my favorite player, but you can't say he's better than all of the other NBA PG's.

it is quite funny how some of the ppl's posts here that consist of only a list of players and no explanation makes NO SENSE at all..

to me.. popular true pg in the nba are:
-jason kidd(maybe best fast break disher)
-steve nash(unselfish, amazing passer, with an amazing J)
-stephon marbury(hes overlooked cuz of his past in new jersey, see him get like 18points,13 assists and shootin good %?, see him explode for 35 and 20 of them after the 4th quarter?, wow)
-mike bibby(good strong player, good J, runs offense really well, clutch shooter)

SG playing PG:
baron davis(can explode to the rim, awsome penetrator)
francis(same as above)
wade(same as above)

you can kind of put these guys in the same shoe as kobe... wade plays SG now with damon jones at pg.. francis play sg with hill starting offense, baron is more of a pg than those guys.. but not enuf..

why kidd better than nash?
you see the 2nd list? those guys all defend well, strong players, rebounds well.. the guys on the first list.. that does those too? jason kidd.. nash don't rebound,play good def..

Nash is playing the best this year.. b/c Kidd is injured.. Kidd should be avging like 17 points, 9 assists, 7 rebounds and 2 steals and shootin like 42% and have his nets a game or 2 above .500 to say hes having a equivalent season with Nash..

Nash is having a 1 season wonder...just like dre did in his 3 year...not like Nash is averaging 20-10-8 like Kidd did.....hes just givin numbers similar to wat Dre did.....

Nash is a proven vet, and his team is winning. When Dre had that season he was their best legitimate scoring option, ughh what a terrible team that was! Dre had to do everything for the cavs that year which is why he put up those numbers, nashs are on a team thats headed to the playoffs, not one whos headed for the lottery!

He prolly should get the nod as all-star starter(although that doesnt mean anything).

Then what does mean something?you just admitted yourself that nash is the best pg in the west.

Kidd, B Diddy, Francis, Starbury and even Payton is prolly more solid.....

Kidd i can accept, Diddy, why? Francis why? Starbury i can also see. I almost vomited when i saw payton being more solid than nash. kid please payton hasnt been as good as nash since he left seattle. watch a basketball game or at least think before typing that! after u saying that i couldnt even read anything else u had to say. in the words of walton: "Horrible,just horrible."

i can call hinrich a true pg along with alston as well. its just that some of these players like marbury, francis and bdiddy just arent true point-guards. marbury doesnt score when he has to, he is just a scorer. crawford should be the knicks scorer, but marbury is still their top scorer of the team. thats why i thought the knicks got crawford, so they could have a scorer on their team other than marbury. assists dont always tell if a pg is good or not because big men can get 6+ assist a game at times so i guess that would mean kobe would be a better pg than some of the players.

i can call hinrich a true pg along with alston as well. its just that some of these players like marbury, francis and bdiddy just arent true point-guards. marbury doesnt score when he has to, he is just a scorer. crawford should be the knicks scorer, but marbury is still their top scorer of the team. thats why i thought the knicks got crawford, so they could have a scorer on their team other than marbury. assists dont always tell if a pg is good or not because big men can get 6+ assist a game at times so i guess that would mean kobe would be a better pg than some of the players.

True.

But in some games Crawford isnt hitting em but he still gets 20 Points and marbury 26 + - 30 Points a game ....

But i can understand what your saying that Crawford suppose to be theri scorer but sometimes hes not making smart shots.

yea, if marbury can get everyone involved in the game and then when he has to shoot he should shoot. i really dont know if they design alot of plays for him or not, but i know he does take alot of shots. if the players aren't really designed for him, he is good enough to penetrate other than takin jumpers alot of times.

Isiah wants Crawford to come up. Thats like his son.

If the All-NBA teams were selected now, given that team record can sometimes come into account as well as good play, this IMO would be it:

1st
C Shaq MIA
F Timmy D SA
F KG MIN
G Ray Allen SEA
G Nash PHO

2nd
C Yao HOU
F Amare PHO
F Dirk DAL
G LeBron CLE
G Dwyane Wade MIA

3rd
C Ilgauskas CLE (Big Ben's suspension hurt him)
F Antawn Jamison WAS
F Grant Hill ORL
G Kobe LAL
G Rip Hamilton DET

Nash and the Suns have just gone stupid. I would have put Shawn Marion in and probably should have, but it's too late now. And Jamison has been pretty great as well.

On the topic, Steve Nash is the best point guard in the league this year as he is running the offense (exactly what a PG is meant to do) for the best team in the league.

Some people will probably point out that Ridnour is doing exactly the same thing as i've just said, and i will acknowledge that he is doing very well. But he is not the major factor in Seattle's success. I believe that Steve Nash is the most important part of the Suns success because he gets the ball to Amare and Marion and Joe Johnson and Q Richardson in a way that Marbury never did. He has been greatly unselfish and his efforts must be rewarded.

Nash is good but not way is he better than Kidd. I dont see Nash getting 6-7 rpg as Kidd usually does.

Thanks.

He prolly should get the nod as all-star starter(although that doesnt mean anything).

Then what does mean something?you just admitted yourself that nash is the best pg in the west.

it doesnt mean anything because the all-star voting is a popularity contest....not the best players contest anymore.....just look at the balloting and u'll understand.

Pft and the fact your quoting from Bill Walton is

He prolly should get the nod as all-star starter(although that doesnt mean anything).

you said he prolly should get the nod, what is that supposed to mean people are supposed to vote for him? people are going to vote for him? he has never won the popular vote before, why would he win it now? you said he should get the nod, not people will vote for him to get the spot.

nuts, i was hoping to hear you back up your gary payton is better than steve nash

If the All-NBA teams were selected now, given that team record can sometimes come into account as well as good play, this IMO would be it:

1st
C Shaq MIA
F Timmy D SA
F KG MIN
G Ray Allen SEA
G Nash PHO

2nd
C Yao HOU
F Amare PHO
F Dirk DAL
G LeBron CLE
G Dwyane Wade MIA

3rd
C Ilgauskas CLE (Big Ben's suspension hurt him)
F Antawn Jamison WAS
F Grant Hill ORL
G Kobe LAL
G Rip Hamilton DET

Kobe 3rd team-

He's averaging 28-7-7. Only 4 players have ever done that(Lebron on his way too.).

Anyway I dont think Nash is tops in the league at pg. Look at who he gets to pass to. Put Rafer Alston with Marion, Q, JJ, and Amare and see if he averages double digit assists.

He prolly should get the nod as all-star starter(although that doesnt mean anything).

you said he prolly should get the nod, what is that supposed to mean people are supposed to vote for him? people are going to vote for him? he has never won the popular vote before, why would he win it now? you said he should get the nod, not people will vote for him to get the spot.

nuts, i was hoping to hear you back up your gary payton is better than steve nash

Simple, Payton defends while Nash eats custard pie.

Anyone who says that Francis and Davis are better points than Nash are idiots...

Kidd and Nash have been top points the last few years. They're very similar, really...part of the reason they were traded for each other way back when. Both are very uptempo, have great court vision, and run a break exceptionally well. Kidd is the better rebounder and defender, while Nash is the better shooter. Kidd's better in the clutch. Personally, I prefer Nash over Kidd, but that's because I like consistant shooting as opposed to clutch shooting. If someone shoots consistantly well, it's unlikely they'll need to take that clutch shot...

Anyway...

Like someone said, Davis and Francis are 2's playing the 1. Both are too undersized and don't shoot well enough to play the 2, but they're quick enough to play the point...so they're point guards. Marbury's a better point than those two, easily. His career average for asists is 8.3 per game. That's damned good, considering how much of a black hole he is. It means he does make good passes....Baron Davis? Career average 6.7 apg. Francis? 6.4apg. Davis and Francis are inconsistant shooters...they just dunk well. Marbury has a good looking shot, Davis' is ugly. Marbury can make a midrange shot...Davis and Francis? Hell no...

Basically, Kidd, Nash, Mike Bibby, Stephon Marbury, and last, but certainly not least, Dwayne Wade are the top 5 points, in no particular order. Davis and Francis aren't even close to those guys....they dunk well, which apparently means they're good point guards (:roll:). Bibby's got nice numbers considering he isn't the only guy one his team who passes well. Very all around and reliable.

Kidd and Nash have been top points the last few years. They're very similar, really...part of the reason they were traded for each other way back when.

Kidd and Nash were never traded for each other.... Kidd was traded for sam cassell and michael finely in the 96/97 season, and nash and kidd were teamates until nash went to dallas...

Eh, not that big of a deal. Just a slight error on my part. I've read a few different things at different times that said they were traded for each other. *shrug* Are you going to discuss anything or just google stuff?

Basically, Kidd, Nash, Mike Bibby, Stephon Marbury, and last, but certainly not least, Dwayne Wade are the top 5 points, in no particular order. Davis and Francis aren't even close to those guys....they dunk well, which apparently means they're good point guards (:roll:). Bibby's got nice numbers considering he isn't the only guy one his team who passes well. Very all around and reliable.

Steve Nash reminds me of John Stockton! Both are very efficient " POINT" guards (court generals, traffic organizers, playmakers). Their plays are basic, scientific, "straight" basketball... unlike with some point guards today who are sacrificing simple but effective moves with flashy and fancy moves. :wink:

lol, dont get pissy just becuase you were wrong ... and nothing was googled, I remember that trade becuase I was suprised that finley was comming off the bench behind mashburn, becuase he was the biggest part of that trade. Cassell wasnt the all nba 2nd teamer he is today.

But if you want my opinion on steve nash, it's quite limited. I've only seen him play once this season, and that was against the rockets. He does run that suns team very well, I have to admit. But half of the suns points seemed to come from the rockets mistakes, bad rotations, running away from the guy with the ball, over collapsing... it seemed like they were too worried about where amare was and leaving the suns players wide open on the perimeter. I wonder why JVG didnt experiment with putting tmac on nash to shake things up a bit.

As for Nash overall, I just think he is in the right situation. I dont think he is the best point guard, and neither is Kidd. I think Marbury has done a great job in New York, but if I had a choice for any point guard this season, it's Iverson. You look at his teamates, and yet he manages to score 30 and get 8 assists. Sure he has one more turnover a game than nash, but he has everything on his shoulders there. Nash has marion and amare, who should be all stars this season, and good outside shooters with Jacobson, Johnson and Richardson. Iverson has Marc Jackson and Kyle Korver, and Kenny thomas who somtimes plays well.

To me, it comes down to this. If Iverson was in phoenix, we'd see little or no decrease in the suns play or perfomance. If nash was in philly though, things would go from bad to worse.

Yeah, you're probably right. I still don't think of Ivy as a point and haven't seen the Sixers play...is he playing point now that Snow's gone?

Any other year I wouldn't include Nash in the top five, but his numbers are there and he runs that team very, very well. Yes, he has a couple all-stars to pass to, but he's got a ton of assists and that's what he should have. And look at his shooting percentages, you can't beat that.

There is no room for discussion on this matter. Screw all other years. When you go by what matters (Wins and numbers) Nash is the best point in the league RIGHT NOW. Emphasize RIGHT NOW. The Suns have the best record. Nash had a few streaks of 12 or more assists.

All you guys on here that even put Baron, Skip ahead of Nash are the people who people who vote V.C into the all star game every year. Of course Kidd, Baron have had better years but this thread was asking who the best is NOW or THIS YEAR. How can you even say Baron. The Knicks are lucky they are in the Atlantic division. They are playing 500 ball.

And as this may seem, I am not even a Nash or Phoenix fan. But as someone who watches games every night this is the truth. Also, A.I's 30 and 8 would be number 1 if the sixers had more wins. He has to work for his assists not throw it down the middle to Amare.