He averaged 13.2 points as a rookie. In 01-02, he was playing in a frontcourt with Jamison, Danny Fortson and Danny Fortson, what are raw PPG stats supposed to mean, they mean nothing. He played 12.7 minutes and 13.5 minutes those year because he was injured for one, and second he was BEHIND KG that's why I said he played with KG, do you expect Marc Jackson to take KG's starting spot?
He could have played alongside kg. As a centre with kg at pf, or power forward with kg at small forward. He wasnt getting minutes becuase he wasnt producing. Simple.
It's like bringing out Speedy Claxton's numbers in Philly when playing in a backcourt with Iverson and Eric Snow and being injured then saying J-Rich is making him better Rolling Eyes
Once again you've missed the point. Marc Jackson did not take advantage of his opportunity to play alongside KG, and he struggled and was benched. He has had his best run with Iverson and philly. That cannot be disputed.
Again putting words in my mouth, first I said someone else should be the first option by saying Iverson shoots too much for a PG, now by saying these guys have offensive skills I'm saying they're studs offensively.
But Iverson is a stud offensively. The rest of the guys are playing like garbage. I know who i'd want taking the bulk of the shots for philly if i was a coach/fan.
Willie is shooting bad right now, but is a sub 40% shooter on the normal, he's been doing better lately, no one says he should take 20 shots a game, I'm saying he's not a horrible offensive player.
And you'd like Iverson to defer to him? I wouldnt, he produces less and less effective than AI.
Ever see Marc Jackson as a rookie? Not just a jumpshooter, but they don't really look to him like they should, so sure, hes' just a good jumpshooter for a big man.
I never saw him as a rook, no. But he I have seen him for philly a few times this season and he seems most effective taking that 15 foot jumper from the elbows.
Salmons is like Green, he can score, this is not a question about who should be the teams first option, I'm saying these guys aren't terrible which is what you said.
They are terrible. I stand by what I said. Marc Jackson is playing ok but there is no one that consistantly takes pressure off Iverson.
Kenny Thomas averaged a double double last season, and shot 46.9% from the field, averaging 13.6 points. 01-02 in Houston he averaged 14.1 points shooting 47.8%, when he first came to Philly he averaged 10-8 and shot 48%, I don't think 9 and 6 is his norm, and I wouldn't call him having potential right now, he's as good as he can be, with touches and minutes a possible 15-10 player.
Ok fine, he's underachieving. Better?
Corliss has never "struggled" from the field, but that one I'd directly relate to how the team plays, Corliss needs post plays ran for him, you can't drive and dish to him and tell him to shoot jumpshots which is mainly what has been happening.
Another example of how he cant create for himself. When he has to, he shoots barely over 40%. But when iverson has the ball in his hands, he "dominates the ball too much". Iverson is the ONLY playmaker for philly, yet you dont want him to dominate the ball..
Playing with Iverson makes every perimeter player has to become mainly not only cause I know you'll give me some post like but the drove this one time...mainly spectators and catch and shoot players. Some players just can't play like that.
Then perhaps philly should revert back to a team they had in 2001 when they won 56 games and made the finals..
I didn't say he was hampered by KG, he was hampered by injuries, and didn't get to play because not many guys are going to get to play much being behind KG in the rotation.
I saw he didnt play as well alongside kg as he is alongside iverson, and iverson has made him play better than he's ever played.
Have you seen Corliss before he came to Philly, their's a reason he won 6th man of the year, their's a reason he's averaged 11.8 points for his career in 23.8 minutes [yes if he played 30+ a game he'd average 15-17, that's 17.5 PP35]. He's shot 49% for his career and this is his first year shooting under 45%. In Toronto he was in the same situation, the team tried to use him at SF, and even make him a catch and shoot player sometimes, when he's a guy who you need to run post ISo's for and will get you 10 points in 20 minutes while shooting 50%.
Corliss Williamson is a shell of himself right now. If he ever gets himself in the right spots on the court im sure iverson will throw him the ball. But those stats you pulled are of a younger williamson.
Why would you compare Salmons assists numbers to Iversons? First Iverson has the ball 40 times as much, plays 41 minutes in comparison to Salmon's 19 minutes, and Iverson has what, a 1.7 to 1 assists to turnover ratio? What's Salmon's 2.2 to 1, and Salmons isn't even a PG [yes he can play it don't need to be told some useless fact].
You talk about my stats and how meaningless they are. Comparing someones assist to turnover ratio who averages less than half the minutes of the other guy is a reach. Salmon is not a playmaker anywhere near iversons level.
KVH averaged 15.9 points on 48% shooting and grabbed 7 boards, but maybe he was shooting too much. The management said it themselves that they wanted to surround him with defensive role players and guys that don't want to shoot, their's a reason Iverson hasn't had a legitimate second option because he doesn't "work well" with them. I can get you the videos of the interviews or an article or something, I think it was on one of those little basketball documentary type things they have on NBA TV even.
If it's from NBA Tv it MUST BE RIGHT! Look at how iverson plays in all star games and for team usa, he's very unselfish. Its just that on this current team he has next to nothing in terms of help, and he has to carry the load. the problem is 90% of the fans criticise him for this...
Actually the idea is the same, the comparison isn't walking to basketball, the comparison is something happening for the first time being more special than the 7th or 20th time.
I really don't want to be mean but you're stupid if you don't see how it relates. Iverson has averaged 30 points a game, is it special for him to score 30 points? NO!
Even 40 points you'll just be like oh yea it's Iverson that's what he does. Do you remember when he was a rookie, do you know how many comparisons he was getting? Their was mad hype when he did things like that too, you're not going to get overly hyped over an 8 year veteran doing something he's done many times as opposed to a 2nd year player doing it for their 1st or second time.
Accomplishments on a basketball court are totally different to watching a child walk. You can't compare the two. If you want a basketball analogy, look at grant hill. His numbers arent impressive compared to other seasons he's had, but he's getting hype becuase he's back. You dont have to be new to get hype, thats all im saying.
Lebron James averaged 20 points as a rookie, of course people will get hyped when he does something for the first or second time. Do people get overly hyped now when Jason Kidd get's a triple double? Not really, but if it's someone like Wade, Lebron, J-Rich, whatever yes because we haven't seen them do it yet, please! Telling me it's a stupid analogy
Its a fucking retarted analogy (the baby walking one).
You mean like last season when they average what, 2.8 PPG less a game without him
I cant justify last season, it was a bad year for iverson and the sixers. But you take iverson away from this philly team and they wouldn't beat new orleans right now. Iverson means more to his team than any other singular player in the nba right now.
