Overrated and Underrated players

[Jackal]

I have a question, can a player just say he's injured and sit out games?

Or does a doctor have to say you're injured?

[fgrep15]

I have a question, can a player just say he's injured and sit out games?

Or does a doctor have to say you're injured?

I'm pretty sure you have to get checked, if you just say you're injured, you can get suspended and not get paid.

[MAKAVELI THE DON]

overrated: vince carter, mike bibby & antoine walker

underrated: eddie jones, rip hamilton, & paul pierce

[air gordon]

kirilenko: got snubbed for the all star team

No he didn't.

oops my mistake. thanks for clarifying

fgrep- i feel like we've had this discussion before about brand...what did brand ever accoplish that made him a max contract player? i do think brand is a good player, just overrated. if you think brand can step right in with indiana and do the same job as JO numbers wise and team wins, would you care to explain why? perhaps you're underrating JO?

and i'm curious to know what was lac's record last year when their starting five was all healthy?

[twolvezfanfoever]

OK.IM HERE NOW,IM GONNA SET THINGS STRAIGHT

Overrated:
Kobe (cuz everybody thinks he's MJ)
Stack (just too many problems)
J Terry (maybe if he leaves ATL)


Underrated:
Booz
E Brand
Shaq (at age 32)

[Jackal]

Shaq (at age 32)

Care to elaborate?

[Drex]

Some people don't think Shaq can make Miami a contender. I've seen a couple of articles mentioning (sp?) that the most dominant big man in the history of the NBA started declining around the age 31 (Shaq's 32). IMO, Shaq's gonna tear up the league next year, specially the Lakers, we all know why.

Oh, on topic:
Overrated: Kobe

[MC Hao]

brent barry: seems like everyone here loves the barry signing with the spurs. but what exactly does bring barry bring to the table that hedo didn't? both are versatile players that could hit the 3. hedo has played on championship contending teams his entire career while barry has played on losing teams.

brent has better touch, better passing, better handle, better explosion (ex-slam champ, but still throws it down nasty on occasions), better decision making, and much more experienced. hedo had his moments with the kings, but had faded since.

[air gordon]

brent has better touch, better passing, better handle, better explosion (ex-slam champ, but still throws it down nasty on occasions), better decision making, and much more experienced. hedo had his moments with the kings, but had faded since.

valid points in his pg's skills. experience factor however i disagree. he's never played on a championship contending team, let alone on a team with a legit post presence (not counting his short stint in miami).

if barry could demonstrate more sack then hedo did and hit some open shots, great for the spurs. he's just a slight upgrade then hedo in certain aspects and a slight downgrade in other aspects

[fgrep15]

kirilenko: got snubbed for the all star team

No he didn't.

oops my mistake. thanks for clarifying

fgrep- i feel like we've had this discussion before about brand...what did brand ever accoplish that made him a max contract player? i do think brand is a good player, just overrated. if you think brand can step right in with indiana and do the same job as JO numbers wise and team wins, would you care to explain why? perhaps you're underrating JO?

and i'm curious to know what was lac's record last year when their starting five was all healthy?

I think we have too

Anyways, when the starting 5 was all healthy, and it seemed that in all these games Wilcox was also healthy (he was the only impact guy off the bench) except for about 3 or 4 of those games, the Clippers went 18-20, not too bad.

[Wormy10]

i can think of a bunch, but im only going to name a few

overrated:
antoine walker
mike bibby
mehmet okur

underrated:
rashard lewis
james posey
manu ginobili
corey maggette
elton brand
mike dunleavy

i wish i had more time but its just a few

Mike Bibby OVERated ?¿ ...... I wouldnt say that, he may not be the best player in the NBA, but he came through when the Kings needed him.....2001 Playoffs against the Lakers....also Bobby Jackson was underated before he got injured

[whlee75]

Considered so overrated that in my mind they're underrated:

Antoine Walker: He can shoot the three pointer,

He sure can, but at a horrible percentage.
Last season his 3p was like 1 for 6 in every game....eww
If he could refrain from jacking up that many 3s he'd be a great player
but until that happens, he's oveerrated

[Homer]

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[Andrew]

I have a question, can a player just say he's injured and sit out games?

Or does a doctor have to say you're injured?

In most cases they would need to be declared unable to play by the team's medical staff or their own physician, but if they show up to a game clearly in no state to play (say, if a knee problem has flared up or they're suffering from the flu), they could probably sit without any hassle.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

i can think of a bunch, but im only going to name a few

overrated:
antoine walker
mike bibby
mehmet okur

underrated:
rashard lewis
james posey
manu ginobili
corey maggette
elton brand
mike dunleavy

i wish i had more time but its just a few

Mike Bibby OVERated ?¿ ...... I wouldnt say that, he may not be the best player in the NBA, but he came through when the Kings needed him.....2001 Playoffs against the Lakers....also Bobby Jackson was underated before he got injured

Yeah he is overrated. I mean that's all people can say is when he came through in the 2001 playoffs. You can't keep thinking in the past you have to think in the future. I mean he did good BACK then, but he is overrated and he really doesn't do as much people think. He is overrated because many people think he is so good for some reason.

[fgrep15]

^^
Get more in depth with your claim that he's overatted, what is it the he doesn't do, he doesn't get assists, doens't play defense, missed too many shots, doesn't show leadership, isn't a floor general, can't penetrate well, isn't a good drive and dish PG, turns the ball over too much, what?

[[Q]]

If the Franchise is over-rated by people, Kobe Bryant is over-rated to me.

All those monkey shots, what for? He's got a 50 % FG player with him. (Had)

I liked the comment someone made, he takes all those weird shots just to pump his fist like Jordan at the end of games, that's a riot.

I won't post on this again, I think Bryant is overhyped, but saying so results in bashingess from all sides. It's unbelievable to hear the constants of "He's going to be better than Michael Jordan."comments.

He'll never be better than Mike, not to me atleast...to be a good player/entertainer (which Mike totally was) you have to have charisma, you have to actually be liked by someone other than yourself.

Bryant? He can't even get along with his team-mates, and I'm not only referring to O'Neal, there have been those little E documentaries on his whole rape case where former highschool players & even players of LA have said he's all to himself etc etc.

Anywho, over-rated: If Franchise is, so is Bryant.

Finally! Someone who understands!!!

underrated: eddie jones

He is... People have questioned his 3 point abilities since LA, and his defense, which is very good... Will always have the stigma of being traded cuz he played the same position as Kobe. I'm still a fan of his.

[Ripper]

Jermaine O'Neal is by far the most overrated player today. His stats are not impressive at all and yet he was considered by many as the third MVP candidate this past season. He didn't even average 20 pts a game or average 10 or more rebounds a game during the playoffs...

He had some amazing blocks in the postseason, but apart from that he wasn't in any way wowing me. To me he's just a good power forward. No where near the level Garnett, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe or Jason Kidd reach.

And he shoots a miserable 43 percent from the floor... and part of that is because he gets his own shot blocked many many times...

[matmat8]

For the playoffs he was injured i think and did what he can.
JO doesn't come near Duncan or Garnett though.

[FanOfAll]

Jermaine O'Neal is by far the most overrated player today. His stats are not impressive at all and yet he was considered by many as the third MVP candidate this past season. He didn't even average 20 pts a game or average 10 or more rebounds a game during the playoffs...

Maybe because MVP stands for Most Valuable Player? Players with good stats usually win it because of exactly that; the stats they put up are most valuable to their team. You can, however, put him decent stats and still be super valuable.

Yeah he is overrated. I mean that's all people can say is when he came through in the 2001 playoffs. You can't keep thinking in the past you have to think in the future. I mean he did good BACK then, but he is overrated and he really doesn't do as much people think. He is overrated because many people think he is so good for some reason.

IMO, if anything, Bibby is underratd. He doesn't get the fan recognition flashy ticket sellers like the Franchise get and on a team where the offensive system isn't one that promotes stat padding for the point guard, he puts up pretty nice stats (which definitely could do better in a different set). I hardly hear any arguments about his clutch play in 2001 when people debate for him.

[_ØSkIpToMyLoUØ_]

I live in toronto and i see every raptors game and vince carter is overrated in canada but underrated in the usa. u ma y think im crazy but he always gettin dissed on espn which pisses me off but raptors never on in usa so no one gets too see him. i think in the last 2 months or 1 month of the season vince was averagin 30 p 5 reb and 5ast. It just the media makin him look bad. thats just my opinion

[fgrep15]

Yea it was in March, Carter in 15 games averaged 27.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 5.4 assists, 1.60 steals, and 1.0 blocks, he also shot 45.3% FG, and 45.5% 3PT (30-63).

For March and April (did bad in April), the two last months of the season, in 23 games, he averaged 25.5 points, 5.0 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.48 steals, and shot 43.2% FG, and 39.4% 3PT.

April was bad for him though, he averaged 22-4.6-3.8, and shot 38.7% FG, and 28.6% 3PT

[-BHZMAFIA-]

i can think of a bunch, but im only going to name a few

overrated:
antoine walker
mike bibby
mehmet okur

underrated:
rashard lewis
james posey
manu ginobili
corey maggette
elton brand
mike dunleavy

i wish i had more time but its just a few

Mike Bibby OVERated ?¿ ...... I wouldnt say that, he may not be the best player in the NBA, but he came through when the Kings needed him.....2001 Playoffs against the Lakers....also Bobby Jackson was underated before he got injured

Yeah he is overrated. I mean that's all people can say is when he came through in the 2001 playoffs. You can't keep thinking in the past you have to think in the future. I mean he did good BACK then, but he is overrated and he really doesn't do as much people think. He is overrated because many people think he is so good for some reason.

What I'm saying is people think Bibby is an all-star or something all because he did good back in the 2001 playoffs. That's all I hear when someone says Bibby name. That was 3 years ago and you can't keep thinking in the past. He is a good player, but he is overrated just like other players are overrated. There is really no excuse for it, but people just overrate him.

[fgrep15]

What I'm saying is people think Bibby is an all-star or something all because he did good back in the 2001 playoffs. That's all I hear when someone says Bibby name. That was 3 years ago and you can't keep thinking in the past. He is a good player, but he is overrated just like other players are overrated. There is really no excuse for it, but people just overrate him.

I don't agree, because if Nash can be an All-Star then so can Bibby because he's just as good, just doesn't get to handle the ball as much, and he's arguably a better defender too.

[FanOfAll]

What I'm saying is people think Bibby is an all-star or something all because he did good back in the 2001 playoffs. That's all I hear when someone says Bibby name. That was 3 years ago and you can't keep thinking in the past. He is a good player, but he is overrated just like other players are overrated. There is really no excuse for it, but people just overrate him.

That's a very common argument. "Everyone overrates him from 3 years ago." Well I don't care about the 2001 playoffs right now. He played well vs the Wolves and is the most clutch player on the Kings right now. Let's see what Bibby has: mad handles, good passing (again, Kings system deflates his assist stats), very nice 3 pt and outside shot, excellent pick and roll, good floor leader, mature (knows how to play and where to be), good defender, and clutch player (although not as much as 2001). There just aren't many places to knock Bibby.

I don't agree, because if Nash can be an All-Star then so can Bibby because he's just as good, just doesn't get to handle the ball as much, and he's arguably a better defender too.

Nash has more flair than Bibby. He has that style where you never know what he's going to do. He also flies up and down the court, more eye candy. Bibby is, IMO, the better defender.