Kobe's Decision

by **Jackal** on Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:57 pm

Oh shutup.

Kobe has enough fuel in him to lead them to the playoffs. They won't be as bad as the Bulls. (Sorry Bulls fans, it was your GM's fault.) Thank God our stupid GM was a bit less stupid and still managed to re-sign Bryant.

Shaq will tear it up in LA, here's hoping he'll tear it up everywhere.

(I can diss LA, don't you be dissing LA. :lol:

)

by **hmm** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:06 am

by **MVP** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 3:58 am

Kobe not only has to do well himself, but he will be expected to take this team into the playoffs. If he doesn't do that, he will probably hear it from the crowd...especially since he is considered by many to be responsible for the outsting of Shaq and Phil Jackson.

by **beau_boy04** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:28 am

Hello Old School Fool, who is the girl under your name? is she a cheerleader? What is her name? I think I have seen her in a hip hop video but don't recall which one.

Thanks.

by **beau_boy04** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:35 am

I like the so called rebuilding process the Lakers are going through right now.
Every young players gain knowledge, experiences and become more skillfull overtime and I believe Kobe, Odom and Butler in their mid 20 are going to improve their numbers from last season. Remenber the season in which Kobe averaged 30 ppg ? what about Odom's first season? he was considered one of the most versatile players soon to become the next Garnett, and what about Butler's rookie season? he leaded all rookies in points and some other categories if I'm not mistaken. I foresee a brilliant future for the Lakers. Now they have to work for it and I have faith in Rudy T who will do a great work to fine tune this team to excell all expectations.

There's my 2 cents about this case.

Thank you for your time.

R

by **air gordon** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:50 am

Jackal wrote:
crawford4MIP4real wrote:hey rant boy, you better believe that mediocrity is remembered. case in point your boy, shaq. he'll be remembered for his dominance and his pitiful free throw shooting

Yeah, he won't be remembered for those three rings, his Finals MVP awards, and probably one of the 10 best centers all time, meh. Stupid Shaq.

the point is mediocrity and even notoriety is remembered, sometimes more so then championships. stupid me for not listing his all of his accomplishments :lol:

Again, you post your insane crap probably whilst your drunk and haven't read a thing I've said.

i post crap that's insane... again? where?
and i'm drunk? so?

let's not bring up not reading what others say since you have a nice history doing it

[color=#7A30DE][i][b]I'm against the re-building.

couldn't tell

Shaq will tear it up in LA, here's hoping he'll tear it up everywhere.

does that include in the privacy of your home, while you lay in bed :twisted:

but seriously at some point this mourning/complaining has to end and you need to start showing some support or at least start thinking of ways to improve the current team. or you can take the easy way out and bandwagon, los angeles isn't even where you live or is your home town anyway :wink:

by **Jackal** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:13 am

So? You have to stay somewhere to support a team? I didn't know, I apologise.

Tear it up in the privacy of my own home? Ehm, ok Limp. (Y)

My whining will stop the moment the season starts, so unfortunately, we got awhile to go. But I promise, I will stop.

by **GloveGuy** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:32 am

If Kobe enters this season feeling the need to score half of his team's points, we'll be wishing he didn't resign.

I'm worried that he'll turn into an 80s Jordan -- showing complete lack of trust in his teammates and having them stand around and watch the whole time as he fights double and triple teams.

by **Fresh8** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:43 pm

Nice! Kobe has his own team! Now we'll see wat he can do!!

My prediction:

28.6ppg 7.2rpg 6.3apg 2.3spg in 41.6mpg as an imaginary statistician i need to be accurate as possible!

OH...plus a team .600 record....

by **hmm** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:31 pm

by **fish23** on Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:50 pm

Let's not forget that this isn't NBA Live. I probably wouldn't break up Shaq & Kobe in a game, but in real life with real money and egos involved, there comes a time when you have to say they're better off by themselves.

And if you had to break them up, why wouldn't you let Shaq go? He gets paid 26+ mil a year and he wants more. You can pay kobe less and he'll last you a lot longer. Bottom line is it's a business and the players are always admitting they know that when they get traded or something.

From Shaq & Kobe's point of view, they both know they're good and they deserve to be paid and respected, am sure if I was that good, no matter what profession i'm in, i'm also going to negotiate for the best offer and situation i can get. Maybe I would sacrifice like Malone or Garnett did to win a championship, but both these dudes already got 3 together.

They've never won a championship without each other and it's time to let both of them try. Shaq will probably get his first, but I think Kobe will end up with more. Who knows... All I know is, all these trades makes NL05 even more exciting.

So just let it happen and let's see how they do. If Shaq dominates for 4-5 more years good for him. If Kobe proves he can win without Shaq, good for him. It's kinda like in Jerry Maguire.... players are just looking for the "Kwan"

by **magius** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:54 am

lakers got raped in that trade........... looks like kobe's starting to imprint his personality into the franchise :twisted:

bottom line:
odom - borderline all star
butler - role player
grant - energy bench player

shaq - top 10 all time players, most dominant player in the game, #1 centre in the league.

uh huh. good one kupshitforbrains and jerry bust.

if i'm the clippers, not getting kobe is a blessing in disguise, build a team not a player.

by **fgrep15** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:47 am

Sit wrote:Nice! Kobe has his own team! Now we'll see wat he can do!!

My prediction:

28.6ppg 7.2rpg 6.3apg 2.3spg in 41.6mpg as an imaginary statistician i need to be accurate as possible!

OH...plus a team .600 record....

Why would he only averaged 28? I think he''d hog his way to at least 30 PPG.

by **j.23** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:42 am

i agree w/ prep.. 28 isn't good enough for kb8, he'll probably get around 31, 6, 6 and 2.2 spg

by **magius** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:10 pm

i disagree. 27 5.5 and 5.5 are more likely. His fg% will go down, and he will finally be the number one priority of a defense for the first time in his career*. Like i said in another thread, when kobe is the number one defensive priority you can shut him down or even better make him take lots of dumb shots, which he'll do anyway.

*minus the finals, and we all know what happened there...... oh, and like i said before, the reason detroit concentrated on kobe is anything but because he's anything close to shaq. Shaq is getting old and if you dont concentrate on him he won't punish you enough to win a game alone anymore -- and old or not if you try to stop him he'll still get his anyway, kobe on the other hand is stoppable. Therefore, old shaq can't win alone, old shaq needs kobe and co to score some points at high percentage, kobe shooting high percentage is like dogs pissing sprite, kobe passing to co is like cats shitting cupcakes. Do the math.

Kobe hoisted plenty shots in the playoffs and i didnt see him averaging 32+...... :roll:

dream on

by **Matthew** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:44 pm

No, they concerntrated on kobe instead of shaq becuase if they put all their resources into shaq, he would have passed it and made the pistons pay. Kobe instead decided to fire up rainbow jumpers. If kobe averaged over 30, the lakers wont get 30 wins... just imagine lamar odom in this system if payton was reduced to nothing.. how bad is it going to be for Lamar? The Lakers should look to deal him before he becomes a silhouette out there. That is, of course, if kobe doesnt get found guilty...

by **magius** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:40 pm

No, that was a part of it, but far from all of it. If it were then teams would've been doing it a long, long time ago. Like i said shaq's old and he wont punish you as much as he used to be able to for not doubling him. The reason they concentrated on kobe is because kobe is stoppable, while shaq is still unstoppable but now at an exeptable level. If detroit had played this way against the shaq of old they would've been swept.

i dont know if lamar can play as well as he did this year without consistent touches, and unless kobe develops a rash of the hands and payton agrees to play like this year again thats not really going to happen or at least i dont think so. Butler needs touches to be effective too, he's not really a spot up.

consider this, odom this year averaged 14 shots per game. Guess how much shaq averagd this year? thats right, 14. People act as if kobe dumps it into shaq all the time and that detracts from his stats. Thats incorrect, people who actually want the lakers to win WISH kobe dumped it into shaq all the time. I think playing with shaq if anything improves kobe's stats since la isnt or wasnt knee deep in stars ala dallas, sac, and theres more than enough ball to share between two players. Besides like i've been saying again and again its always easier when your not the number one defensive option.

anyway, the lakers are kaput next season, almost everyone seems to be getting stronger. The ones with the big men are the only real contenders, the others can go bye bye.

by **fgrep15** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:07 pm

consider this, odom this year averaged 14 shots per game. Guess how much shaq averagd this year? thats right, 14. People act as if kobe dumps it into shaq all the time and that detracts from his stats. Thats incorrect, people who actually want the lakers to win WISH kobe dumped it into shaq all the time. I think playing with shaq if anything improves kobe's stats since la isnt or wasnt knee deep in stars ala dallas, sac, and theres more than enough ball to share between two players. Besides like i've been saying again and again its always easier when your not the number one defensive option.

In the finals he averaged 22.6 shots a game, and 5 free throw attempts a game, shooting 38.1% :lol:

and 17.4% from 3 range.

When he averaged 30, he took 23.5 shots a game and went to the line 8.7 times a game, and of course with better FG% and 3PT%.
I see him shooting something like 42% next season, and like 35% from three, 84% from the line, while taking 25.4 shots (ahh), and going to the line about 8.5 times a game still.
If it happens like that he'd averaged 30.04 PPG, but not too efficiently.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:01 pm

My prediction: For Kobe, between 27 and 31 ppg, around 6 rpg and no more than 5.5 apg. For the Lakers, no higher than .610 barring some major changes to other teams in the West.

by **matmat8** on Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:14 pm

Im sure he will do everything to get over 30ppg.
My predections about 30/6/6.

by **Gripni** on Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:29 am

The Lakers can't be compared to the Magic. That's because of their star. Kobe and T-mac are completely different in their situations.

Both of them wanted to be #1. So they got rid of the person ahead of them and took a team over without much support. But Kobe is doing it after 3 Championships. He won't let himself get sick of being alone. Then he would look like an idiot. He gave up a Finals team for being the superstar then got tired of losing. T-mac is different. He's never been on a good team. He wanted to be #1 and he got that. But he wanted to be #1 because he was on a bad team and decided he would win more as the star of the team then with someone else starring. He was right, but his team was still pretty bad and the GM didn't help him enough. He got sick of losing. He had never been on a really good team. So he got onto a good team that he can make great instead of a bad team he makes mediocre. T-mac needs to win. He understands that he can't win alone. Kobe has always won, and he needs more than that. He wants to win alone. Even though their game is similar, their personalities are completely opposite.

Kobe will get 36 ppg, 7 rpg, 5 apg. He'll take around 30 shots per game and shoot around 40%. Odom will get around 15 ppg. The team will win around 45 games.

Or, Kobe will get around 25 ppg, 8 rpg, and 8 asp. He'll take around 18 shots per game and shoot around 45%. Odom will get around 20 ppg and the Lakers will win around 52 games. It's Kobe's choice.

by **Jackal** on Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:43 am

You all keep forgetting he could average 0.0 points per game, 0.0 assists per game & 0.0 rebounds per game whilst shooting an amazing 0 %.

Stats from Jail Basketball don't count in the NBA.

by **magius** on Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:32 am

when kobe averages 36 7 and 5 or 25 8 and 8 cats will fuck dogs and give birth to humans.

by **th3gh05t** on Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:44 pm

magius wrote:when kobe averages 36 7 and 5 or 25 8 and 8 cats will fuck dogs and give birth to humans.

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