Shaq to the Heat

by **Micchy_boy** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:52 pm

No matter how hard to see shaq go, lakers must do what will be the next best thing for lakers. getting grant, odom, butler and a future draft will be good for lakers. and with the impending shaq trade, kobe might re-sign with lakers (getting more money and having his own team). with that lakers maybe a play-off contender this year and a great team on the next few years.

this is i want as starting 5
C - someone from FA
PF - Grant
SF - Odom
SG- Bryant
PG - Payton

but definitely will be this
C - Grant
PF - Odom
SF - Butler
SG- Bryant
PG - Payton

and the bright future of Miami (odom,butler and wade) will never happen coz they will going down after 1 or 2 years.

by **Jackal** on Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:26 pm

Not bad, we got Butler too.

Goodie, I as a Laker fan, am ok with it. Not happy, which moron would be happy giving up Shaq. Pfff...stupid Kobe. :roll:

Do the Heat have any cap space? Wallace & Swift are still out there..

Malone could follow O'Neal to Miami

Source.

Lakers are pursuing Divac. (how low can they go?) :roll:

Fisher's take on Shaq leaving:

"If it really is a done deal, it's something that didn't have to happen," Fisher said at a summer league game in Long Beach. "The way everything went down, it seemed inevitable.

"I don't think that when the season was over Shaq was really that adamant about leaving. He obviously was disappointed, like all of us were. But that changed when the line was clearly drawn that it wasn't his team and it was all about Kobe and that he'll have to take a back seat. I think at that point, Shaq washed his hands of the Lakers.

"It's unfortunate because we've had something very special."

The man was brought in saying it was his team, the man was told, get us Malone & Payton, it's your team. Pfff, some dirty ass mofo's up in that office man. Tch tch tch...

by **Jackal** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:13 am

Edit. Sorry, didn't notice I had the post above. :oops:

by **air gordon** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:39 am

the heat have the full MLE to use to plug in holes. swift would be a nice option however imo splitting the MLE on vets such as eric williams and rodney white would be the better route. miami shouldn't have a hard time convincing FA's to sign now that they are a contender

lakers are cornering the market on sf's and undersized pf's

odom just can't seem to get away from la

by **MC Hao** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:12 am

i really loved last year's heat, they played with heart. they shouldn't have broken up the core. damn, man.

by **Full Surface** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:23 am

MC Hao wrote:i really loved last year's heat, they played with heart. they shouldn't have broken up the core. damn, man.

Even with the core players they had, it's obviously clear they are never going to come close to winning a championship until they get a monster player.

by **th3gh05t** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:33 am

isnt LA Clippers (w/o kobe) better than LA Lakers (w/o kobe) hahaha

by **magius** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:42 am

wade + shaq = power shift in the east. Lakers? Well, lets just say that next year will be fun

by **FanOfAll** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:16 am

Great. Shaq's agent is now saying he doesn't know if Butler is involved or not.

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2569362

His agent does.

Perry Rogers, said Sunday a blockbuster deal between the Heat and Los Angeles Lakers is imminent and could be official Wednesday when the NBA's two-week player movement moratorium expires.

"It still can't officially be done, of course, but I can tell you we're confident that this will move forward," Rogers told The Associated Press in a phone interview Sunday. "We're excited about the prospects. We're confident that Shaquille will be moving to Miami soon."

Miami is expected to send a package that includes Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, one other player - perhaps Caron Butler - and a first-round draft choice to Los Angeles in exchange for the 7-foot-1, 340-pound O'Neal, who demanded a trade shortly after the Lakers lost the NBA Finals to Detroit.

Rogers said he did not know which players the Lakers and Heat have agreed to swap.

"What's been agreed to by (Heat president) Pat Riley and (Lakers GM) Mitch Kupchak, I have not been privy to," Rogers said.

I just don't know what to believe. This is the newest article out there and it says Butler might or might not be included. But everything else says Butler is in. Butler is in, Heat are slightly on the losing side. Butler not in, they owned the Lakers in this trade. We'll have to see.

by **Micchy_boy** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:42 pm

i've read that lakers want butler to be included in the trade but miami want allen to be included. i dont have the link but im sure that i read about it. if i find the link i post it here.

i prefer butler than allen though.

by **FanOfAll** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:36 pm

Micchy_boy wrote:i've read that lakers want butler to be included in the trade but miami want allen to be included. i dont have the link but im sure that i read about it. if i find the link i post it here.

i prefer butler than allen though.

Allen? Malik Allen? He's worth nowhere close to Butler, so naturally I think the Lakers would decline. It does make the trade work out (contract wise) though.

by **bchogan** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:31 pm

I don't think Allen is part of any trade, but I heard that the Lakers might be interested in one of the Heat's draftees. I don't remember for sure who it was, maybe Dorell Wright. They mentioned it on sportscenter, but I haven't seen it mentioned online yet.

In related news, if (when) the deal goes through, though, it looks like Payton will leave. Check out the story: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1838214

by **Jackal** on Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:52 pm

Lmfao, I know I'm supposed to be a loyal LA fan and all that crap, but what the fuck is happening? I ask the question and have the answer too, Jerry Buss has lost his marbles. He's gone beserk, he's gone cuckoo, it was bound to happen with so many feuds and that much NBA Playoff Drama.

He just broke up a championship worthy team because one player was not satisfied. Pff..Lakers didn't even try anything else, they've got a mind set that Bryant is the next big thing (he's not, and with big thing I mean someone like Michael Jordan, not Tracy McGrady)..

Payton is willing to leave if Shaq's gone, it's been hinted that Malone will follow Shaq to Miami if he's able to do so. Now, think here for a moment, Malone & Payton have been in the NBA for a long long while, isn't it strange they don't want to stick around and play with the next big thing? C'mon, Bryant will single handedly carry LA to the playoffs on his already burdened shoulders. (read rape case)

Are Malone & Payton fools? Why stick around to play with an aging, declining fat lump of corruption? What's the point? Oh, Championships, sorry. :oops:

If I could, I would just like to ask Buss one thing, what the fuck was/is he thinking? Come on...players are probably shit scared to go to LA now.

Odom must be like, damn...I better get along with Bryant or my ass is out of here because pretty boy there doesn't like me. If Bryant dislikes Odom, expect Buss to deal him just to keep pretty boy Bryant happy. Seriously, teams can be built around one player or focus on one players demands etc, but not when it's negative. Come on, Championship contention to "will they make it past the second round?"

What the fuck was he thinking? Keep Bryant and we make money? Everyone loves Bryant, people will buy tickets to come watch him? Yeah asshole, people come to watch the playoffs too. Asswipe.. :roll:

9 Championship rings, 9...that's what Phil Jackson has achieved in his life. He's in the top 5 coaches of basketball all time. You let him walk, because his strategy (that worked for another great, I forget his name though, help me out) doesn't work for pretty boy Bryant? Ugh.

Led the league in field goal percentages 5 times with four of them right after eachother, two time regular season scoring champion, 9 time all star selection, 4 time All NBA first team selections, MVP of 99-00 season, Three-time NBA Finals MVP after leading the Lakers to back-to-back-to-back NBA Finals victories (read LA piggy backed on his back, when it came to them piggy back riding Bryant, they were nicely kicked out by SA.), selected as one of the 50 greatest players all time.

You let Shaquille O'Neal walk for Brian Grant, Lamar Odom & maybe Caron Butler...because your pretty boy thinks he's got a more running type of game? It suits him more? How far do you go to please this guy? How much must be done for this selfish asshole to be satisfied?

Pff, Buss must be worried about his health. That's one explanation as to why he's letting all of this happen. Hey, with so many near playoff eliminations and as many entertaining and heartstopping plays this Laker team has made in the playoffs, I would be in fear of my health too. I (at the 'ripe' age of 17) almost died of heart failure when the clock was winding down in Sacramento and Horry just managed to sink the Kings..aah memmories. (Shutup Crawford)
Buss can't handle those situations anymore, it's been too long since they've been a mediocre team. I fully understand Mr Buss. I support you all the way. Don't drop dead on us anytime soon. *Note the sarcasm.*

Another reason: Jerry Buss & Kobe Bryant must be having sexual relations with eachother, I see no other explanation for it. After the rape case he must've obliged to Buss' filthy old mind, he probably thought to himself, let me sleep with him, he'll get me a good lawyer, Buss will get me out of my 'sticky' situation.

In return they fall head over heels in love with eachother, so now..it's like any other relationship. Buss' (wo)man has been hurt, Buss will go all out to satisfy him. Championships? How is this of any importance? Malone hasn't got what it takes in bed, I'm sure Buss must hate the fact that Malone keeps screaming "Johnny Johnny" everytime he & Buss decide to get together.

Payton? His cocky face must turn Buss off...
O'Neal? Meh, Buss couldn't handle that sexy beast.

So all in all folks, that sums up the reasons for Buss. He's not mentally ill, he's not had a late-life (not mid-life, that old geezer has past the mid-life ages) crisis.

**Note, this is a rant of a frustrated Laker fan who actually wants to see his favorite team win, not take an early exit from the playoffs. If this rant has in anyway offended you because you too are in love with Mr. Bryant or Mr. Buss, I don't give a shit. Someone has to be offended for it to be fun. :bday:

Don't take this rant too seriously, take it with some sense of humor, we won't be laughing about much in the future anyways.

I said we won't be laughing because only Laker fans will be offended.

Robby, don't attack me about Malone...it's just a joke. Everyone knows of the infamous John & Karl jokes.**

by **Amphatoast** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:50 am

would be funny to see if any other Laker feels the need to follow Shaq and ditch Kobe cuz they don't think they can win without the big fellow...poor Kobe must be feeling burnt now. I'm guessing this will play in the clippers favor of signing Kobe.
Kobe to Clippers plz!!

by **Jackal** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:54 am

Amphatoast wrote:would be funny to see if any other Laker feels the need to follow Shaq and ditch Kobe cuz they don't think they can win without the big fellow...

Huh? If that's hinted towards me, you misunderstood. I'll be supporting LA, I just think the way they handled the situation is stinky.

I never said I would follow Shaq to LA? Shaq can go do whatever he feels like doing...I'll watch him play because I like his game but I wont be rooting for Miami if they were playing vs LA, I would be rooting for LA. :wink:

by **Amphatoast** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:59 am

Jackal wrote:
Amphatoast wrote:would be funny to see if any other Laker feels the need to follow Shaq and ditch Kobe cuz they don't think they can win without the big fellow...

Huh? If that's hinted towards me, you misunderstood. I'll be supporting LA, I just think the way they handled the situation is stinky.

I never said I would follow Shaq to LA? Shaq can go do whatever he feels like doing...I'll watch him play because I like his game but I wont be rooting for Miami if they were playing vs LA, I would be rooting for LA.

hehe sorry, i meant any other Laker players, not fans

by **Jackal** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 2:18 am

Meh, it's alright.

It's sad though...it's a whole drama as to how this thing is unfolding.

Medvedenko is a FA.
Fox said he's not sticking around for the team to be built around Kobe.
Sampson was picked up by Charlotte I think...
Grant is a FA.
Malone is a FA, he's said he's following Shaq.
Payton doesnt want to stick around.
Russell is a Fa.

It's possible that 9 maybe even 10 of the 16 players wont be on LA's roster next season.

1- Shaq
2- Malone
3- Payton
4- Bryant (possible)
5- Fisher
6- Fox
7- Grant
8- Russell
9- Medvedenko
10- Sampson

What does LA have left:

If Shaq leaves (duh) they have:

1- Grant
2- Odom
3- Butler (maybe)
4- Bryant (maybe)
5- Cook
6- George
7- Walton
8- Rush
9- Douthit
10- Vujacic

Meh, playoffs here they come. :roll:

by **Matt** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 3:48 am

i'd still say that they'll make the playoffs (Kobe stays) but how competitive they'll be is hard to predict

by **Jackal** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:06 am

Yeah, I think they'll make the playoffs, but not past the second round.

by **twolvezfanfoever** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 5:53 am

they may not get past the first.if Kobe dont come back,they may be in real trouble.Im just hopin da Clip Show decide to play a couple game in Anaheim just so he would sign

by **air gordon** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:49 am

these 4 are a virtual lock to make the playoffs. even if dallas took a small step back:
spurs
twolves
kings
dallas

these 3 teams made it last year and have or are in the progress of making additions
memphis
rockets
nuggets

that's 7 spots right there

then there are these teams that have made significant upgrades
jazz
suns

then there's new orleans moving to the west and the clippers who still haven't done anything with all that cap space

its reasonable to say the lakers are only better then 2 teams in the west: the sonics and the warriors

if/when this trade becomes official, lakers left with the undersized grant and odom to face a division (and conference) full of PF powerhouses

let's just hold off on the playoff talk for now

and thanks for the shoutout, rant boy

by **fgrep15** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:49 am

crawford4MIP4real wrote:the heat have the full MLE to use to plug in holes. swift would be a nice option however imo splitting the MLE on vets such as eric williams and rodney white would be the better route. miami shouldn't have a hard time convincing FA's to sign now that they are a contender

lakers are cornering the market on sf's and undersized pf's

odom just can't seem to get away from la

Stromile Swift can't be gotten for the MLE, he's going to get at least 6 million a year.

Jackal wrote:Odom must be like, damn...I better get along with Bryant or my ass is out of here because pretty boy there doesn't like me. If Bryant dislikes Odom, expect Buss to deal him just to keep pretty boy Bryant happy. Seriously, teams can be built around one player or focus on one players demands etc, but not when it's negative. Come on, Championship contention to "will they make it past the second round?"

Second round? More like will they make the playoffs :lol:

Amphatoast wrote:would be funny to see if any other Laker feels the need to follow Shaq and ditch Kobe cuz they don't think they can win without the big fellow...poor Kobe must be feeling burnt now. I'm guessing this will play in the clippers favor of signing Kobe.
Kobe to Clippers plz!!

I hope not, I want the Clippers to win but not with Kobe, I want us to win ourselves, no one will give credit to Brand and Maggette, a healthy Clippers team can win at least 39 games in the West, they wiin 43 with Kobe people will say he turned the team around :roll:

Especially the media, they'll jump right on it.

Payton isn't staying. Odom is back in LA which could mea more drig problems :cry:

, which could mean missing games which could mea suckyness for the Lakers.
With Odom they can make the playoffs at 6-8th seed, but they aren't going past the first round.
Unless some other good signings are made, they aren't really going anywhere.

by **RedTorro** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:37 am

Kobe will fae the same situation that A.I. has, nobody will come to the Lakers because they know they won't get any touches. Anyways I heard Kobe is pushing the Clippers to play some games at the Pond in Anaheim. If this happens that would be awesome! Lakers without Kobe and Shaq would be hilarious.

by **fgrep15** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:57 am

In AI's situation it was that they had people, but they traded them because AI can't play well with other people that need the ball.

So they were actually there, they just got traded.

by **Jackal** on Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:00 am

fgrep15 wrote:In AI's situation it was that they had people, but they traded them because AI can't play well with other people that need the ball.

So they were actually there, they just got traded.

This could very well be the case with Bryant.

Imagine he doesnt get along with Odom, won't they trade away Odom?

Crawford, you're welcome.

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