fgrep15 wrote:Baron Davis doesn't have as many turnovers as Pierce because he shoots the ball so often, who's got time to turn it over, also they really spread the floor and line-up guys all over the arc which makes for easy passing,
don't push the ball the way the Celtics do and Baron Davis doesn't play for the Boston Celtics, where there is much more pressure on Pierce.
If you belive Baron Davis is doing more than Paul Pierce is, this is your opinion, but the numbers do not back this up
First the baron is a PGs and is 6'3 so no one expects him to average 7 boards per game, he's getting more dimes more steals and i don't believe you said the Hornets don't push the ball as much, watch some New Orleans games and see the breaks that come from the Baron and Armstrong steals, also the shoot the ball to often and have no time to t.o the ball statement is very vague, the guy is still averaging 8 dimes and 2.6 t.o, pierce is getting 4 t.o....Tmac is the man in Orlando and is getting 2.96. If 43% of The Baron's shots weren't 3's hed be shooting 44% from the field but he's never seen a 3 point shot he didn't like, and yes the Baron is a PG and has the ball in his hands more than PP does.......and if the Baron could shoot at least 80% from the line he'd be averaging 24.2ppg
Fine see it however you want to, you don't see Pierce leading his team in everything, carrying them on his back. Vince Carter's team was lottery bound before that trade for Donyell Marshall and Jalen Rose, which makes sense they have made the impact, before that this was the worse offensive team in the NBA (they still have the lowest scoring average, because they were so horrible before the trade) and that is to Vince Carter's discredit, this improvement of the team is not because Vince Carter starting doing something differently.
Lottery Bound, i dunno about that, yea they weren't scoring but neither were their opponents, they were still at .500 before the trade,they beat Dallas 77-71, how do you hold Dallas to 71 points. Look at Indiana they were only averaging about 86per game, now 89 and Detroit too, it doesn't matter if you don't score a lot as long as your opponent scores less. VC has won so many games for the team, yea he doesn't go after rebounds as much till crunch time but what you gonna do and PP is beating him in dimes but since the trade VC has been averaging about 6, when you drive and drop off the ball to rock hands AD who misses dunks what can you do. Carter was also too unselfish, he was taking the same amount of shots be4 the trade as he is now. Also look at the Magic, do you think the Raptors team before the trade was better than the Orlando team, i dunno, but the Raps were still winning.
The comparisons to Orlando and your scoring analysis are both ramblings that I have no clue what you are trying to say.
I have League Pass and do watch New Orleans games, Toronto games and Boston games, I know who pushes the ball and I know who makes mistakes often and I also know who is the most clutch of three players.
I have been watching the NBA for 20 years and I have seen almost all the games this and last season to some extent. This year I have seen complete games of New Orleans and have been impressed with them as a unit, but not Baron Davis' jacking the ball up all over the place.
I guess my opinions are either too strong or just not respected, but don't ever accuse me of being unaware, not understanding or misinformed, I advise you nothing could be further from reality. To push my credentials further, I have a
BA in Mathematics and have some understanding of analysis statistics.
I know that may seem cocky or it may not matter to anyone, but don't tell me how I may not understand numbers, or how they apply to complete analysis. Yes you have to understand pro basketball as well, something else I am not lacking.
These latest outbursts are an indication of my frustration with the media and it's hype based on nothing, their complete lack of understanding the entire picture and the posters in this forum pulling meaningless statements from no where and applying them as fact.
If a guy misses 6.4 three pointers and 13.5 total shots along with the unforgiving ability to make a free throw added with 2.96 turnovers, he takes less care of the ball at any postion than any other player in the NBA*
Read this: Baron Davis takes care of the ball worse than everyone in the NBA except *Allen Iverson. If you think it's crazy or you love AI and Baron so much you can't see it, fine, but they do not take care of the ball better than Paul Pierce.
If you want to hear about Allen Iverson's miscues, just ask.
Statistics are not the only way of looking at the players, I understand this, but you guys point out Pierce's turnovers and say that's the end of him being an MVP player, but then tout Iverson, who turns the ball over more than Pierce and misses more shots than Pierce by a whole lot.
Vince Carter is an outstanding player, no doubt, but he is not the all-around player and leader Paul Pierce is.
, geez, im doing Biochem right now but i don't think I could ever do just math.
lol im just joking, feel free to post your opinions 
