NBA Draft Lottery 2016

[benji]

Hinkie hasn't drafted poorly. Assuming Embiid plays this year, four of his five acquired lottery picks will be in the Sixers rotation, along with two more 2016 first rounders.

And the deal he made with MCW brings in a Kings first rounder in the next two years, and they still are owed a Lakers first rounder which only has one year left of protection. The team can potentially have nine first rounders (six or more from the lottery!) 24 and younger in their rotation to start 2018.

[mp3]

I wouldn't call drafting 3 centers in 3 years smart drafting when 2 of them were already injured and then Noel And Okafor have terrible chemistry together, he is good at trading for picks however like the deal he got away with from the Kings last year.

[NovU]

Ofc Hinkie built an interesting looking foundation for 76ers' future, perhaps for next decade.

But there's no denying Hinkie dug his own grave and lied in it. He pretty much got banned by the league and his greatest legacy is the best tank commander in history. Perhaps this was the plan all along by majority 76ers owner. Sacrifice Hinkie.

[Phil89]

Why do people act like Hinkie had the opportunity to draft Andrew Wiggins and D'Angelo Russell but passed on them because he has a center fetish?

The guy had the third pick in both 2014 and 2015 and took the best prospect available to him with the knowledge that he had at the time. He was just unlucky that they both happened to be centers and that one of them turned out to be injury-prone.

The draft classes for this year and next year seem to be stacked with quality wings/guards, so you would imagine that his plan would have been to balance out the roster organically in those drafts.

[mp3]

Why do people act like Hinkie had the opportunity to draft Andrew Wiggins and D'Angelo Russell but passed on them because he has a center fetish?

The guy had the third pick in both 2014 and 2015 and took the best prospect available to him with the knowledge that he had at the time. He was just unlucky that they both happened to be centers and that one of them turned out to be injury-prone.

The draft classes for this year and next year seem to be stacked with quality wings/guards, so you would imagine that his plan would have been to balance out the roster organically in those drafts.

Sure he got unlucky with Joel being injured 2 straight years but he could of plugged other holes on the roster with talent.

Also he could of flipped the picks by still taking best player available and traded down for players that they felt fit in better with "The Plan".

I do get what he was trying to do with the tanking and the draft picks but I don't think he really knew how to build a team based on chemistry or blending a Roster with young players and vets.

[benji]

he could of plugged other holes on the roster with talent.

How. Specifics.

Also he could of flipped the picks by still taking best player available and traded down

No, never do this. It's not the NFL Draft. Always draft best available talent and hold to showcase if you afford it. Especially fucking 20 year old centers who are consensus top three picks.

No matter what flaws he showed this season, people are still going to want Jahil Okafor more now that he's proven he can get 15-20 points a game. It's the same for if they can get Embiid on the court. If they have three legit bigs, their bargaining power on any single one increases substantially.

[shadowgrin]

I wouldn't call drafting 3 centers in 3 years smart drafting when 2 of them were already injured and then Noel And Okafor have terrible chemistry together

I do get what he was trying to do with the tanking and the draft picks but I don't think he really knew how to build a team based on chemistry or blending a Roster with young players and vets.

Drafting based on need instead of the best available talent is how Portland ended up with Sam Bowie instead of Jordan and the Clippers drafting Olowokandi.

Okafor is a rookie. I doubt any GM knows the right player chemistry before they even drafted a player.

[[Q]]

Hinkie hasn't drafted poorly. Assuming Embiid plays this year, four of his five acquired lottery picks will be in the Sixers rotation, along with two more 2016 first rounders.

And the deal he made with MCW brings in a Kings first rounder in the next two years, and they still are owed a Lakers first rounder which only has one year left of protection. The team can potentially have nine first rounders (six or more from the lottery!) 24 and younger in their rotation to start 2018.

What's the protection on the Lakers pick next year? Top 1??

[skoadam]

For me its obvious philly wont choose Simmons or Ingram, since few years their choices was always bad lol

[byronray15]

Hinkie hasn't drafted poorly. Assuming Embiid plays this year, four of his five acquired lottery picks will be in the Sixers rotation, along with two more 2016 first rounders.

And the deal he made with MCW brings in a Kings first rounder in the next two years, and they still are owed a Lakers first rounder which only has one year left of protection. The team can potentially have nine first rounders (six or more from the lottery!) 24 and younger in their rotation to start 2018.

What's the protection on the Lakers pick next year? Top 1??

No, still Top 1 - 3 Protected but unprotected in 2018 for the 76ers. If the 76ers still don't get a pick by 2017, the Orlando Magic will get the 2017 and 2018 2nd round draft picks but will get the 2019 1st round draft pick if Philly gets the 2017 1st round pick.

[byronray15]

For me its obvious philly wont choose Simmons or Ingram, since few years their choices was always bad lol

I believe they picked the best talent available in the draft. Don't act like they had the chance to draft Towns, D'Lo, Wiggins or Parker in that draft because they actually had the 3rd pick consecutively in those years. I believe they'll pick Simmons, the best available prospect with the most NBA ready talent and body as of the moment.

- Lakers fan here, I'd still love the fact that the draft is Top 2 heavy and we'll still have the chance to draft Brandon Ingram.

[skoadam]

For me its obvious philly wont choose Simmons or Ingram, since few years their choices was always bad lol

I believe they picked the best talent available in the draft. Don't act like they had the chance to draft Towns, D'Lo, Wiggins or Parker in that draft because they actually had the 3rd pick consecutively in those years. I believe they'll pick Simmons, the best available prospect with the most NBA ready talent and body as of the moment.

- Lakers fan here, I'd still love the fact that the draft is Top 2 heavy and we'll still have the chance to draft Brandon Ingram.

Simmons best available talent? sry man not in my eyes. Big guy with great body and court vision...the end. In current NBA its not enough, and he wont be playin with kids anymore. Simmons is one of the most overated rookies in last years.

[byronray15]

Simmons best available talent? sry man not in my eyes. Big guy with great body and court vision...the end. In current NBA its not enough, and he wont be playin with kids anymore. Simmons is one of the most overated rookies in last years.

Hmm. Let me tell you my opinion about this man by asking you this question. How many SF / PF possibly a small ball center do you know is capable of defending 4 - 5 positions without sacrificing that much height while also being capable of running the floor and dictate the offense? Hmm. Let's see, Lamar Odom (Retired), Joakim Noah (On Decline), Draymond Green, LeBron James etc. In that pattern, you'll see they are a very rare commodity and if you see a 20 year old - 6'10" with a NBA ready body who has good court vision and passing abilities while also being able to dictate and penetrate the defense of the opposing teams, you have to grab the chance to get that especially if you're a team who doesn't have a primary ball handler a.k.a 76ers.

[NovU]

Simmons is a really interesting prospect because we've never seen someone like him ever before.

For a perimeter playmaker of his caliber, it's just unseen someone who utilized so little mid to long range shots. Usually whether good or bad, you have data to evaluate someone's shooting ability/potential but for him, it's entirely non-existent. That's one area for sure Lakers and 76ers will give a long hard look during their work out sessions. Team that drafts him wants him to develop into an unique mismatch player. It is gonna be a fun experiment wherever he lands.

Ingram on the other hand provides to be a less margin of error I guess. I think the 76ers need to draft Ingram for that reason. He has range and spacing is important especially for a team that has traditional bigs to develop. Congrats, Lakers. Ben Simmons you've been clamouring for entire season might just fall on your lap.

[mp3]

he could of plugged other holes on the roster with talent.

How. Specifics.

Also he could of flipped the picks by still taking best player available and traded down

No, never do this. It's not the NFL Draft. Always draft best available talent and hold to showcase if you afford it. Especially fucking 20 year old centers who are consensus top three picks.

No matter what flaws he showed this season, people are still going to want Jahil Okafor more now that he's proven he can get 15-20 points a game. It's the same for if they can get Embiid on the court. If they have three legit bigs, their bargaining power on any single one increases substantially.

They could of taken Okafor and traded down Mudiay while picking up extra draft picks and filler.

[skoadam]

Simmons best available talent? sry man not in my eyes. Big guy with great body and court vision...the end. In current NBA its not enough, and he wont be playin with kids anymore. Simmons is one of the most overated rookies in last years.

Hmm. Let me tell you my opinion about this man by asking you this question. How many SF / PF possibly a small ball center do you know is capable of defending 4 - 5 positions without sacrificing that much height while also being capable of running the floor and dictate the offense? Hmm. Let's see, Lamar Odom (Retired), Joakim Noah (On Decline), Draymond Green, LeBron James etc. In that pattern, you'll see they are a very rare commodity and if you see a 20 year old - 6'10" with a NBA ready body who has good court vision and passing abilities while also being able to dictate and penetrate the defense of the opposing teams, you have to grab the chance to get that especially if you're a team who doesn't have a primary ball handler a.k.a 76ers.

you said same thing, that guy have no idea about jumpshots, i think he have no idea about existing of the 3p line. His main skill to score is drive to the basket, but we must remember we are talking about bumping kids from college+ i have some doubts about his future improvement.

[mp3]

I wouldn't call drafting 3 centers in 3 years smart drafting when 2 of them were already injured and then Noel And Okafor have terrible chemistry together

I do get what he was trying to do with the tanking and the draft picks but I don't think he really knew how to build a team based on chemistry or blending a Roster with young players and vets.

Drafting based on need instead of the best available talent is how Portland ended up with Sam Bowie instead of Jordan and the Clippers drafting Olowokandi.

Okafor is a rookie. I doubt any GM knows the right player chemistry before they even drafted a player.

Iam not saying don't take BPA iam just saying that this doesn't mean you have to keep the player you can always find a team looking to trade up like Boston were last year offering future (high) draft picks.

[air gordon]

Simmons is a really interesting prospect because we've never seen someone like him ever before.

never? just glancing at his size and skillset he sounds like a more athletic version of boris diaw.

Ingram on the other hand provides to be a less margin of error I guess

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but projected to be a bigger project for a team looking to add some wins now.

[NovU]

Athletic Boris Diaw is unseen. Is he really the best comparison we have available to Ben Simmons btw? At his best what do we have of him or at worst whose game do you think he'd mimic, or in betweens? I honestly have no idea, we have to be imaginative and broad.

But more importantly, there was never a precedent where one could successfully play a PG role in his size with complete absence of range game. We don't even know if he was truly a helpless shooter entirely sure because he took virtually so little it's a tiny sample size. It's kinda intriguing and concerning at the same time how a player that utilizes no outside shots saw so much success at a play making point guard role and got to the rim so well to score.

[air gordon]

i leave it to you all to decide what is the "best" comparison. imo it's setting oneself up for disappointment to expect a good match between a college freshman and an established nba player. maybe if you want to compare both their college stats you can make some headway.

what's his vertical? how "explosive" is he? we don't know since he didn't go to the combine.

a tall guy who can handle with a questionable jumper? not a first. tbh i haven't seen the guy play. too bad his team didn't make the tourney.

[NovU]

End product speculation is always going to be the central topic for high profile new comers. For a player of his hype, he already has set the bar pretty high.

[CT4]

The draft day may be really interesting as Phitakinglly, LA and Boston are apparently interested in trading the picks. As an Celtic if we can't get a really good star (NO Okafor,Love) we better keep the pick (waiting for ya Buddy)

[air gordon]

End product speculation is always going to be the central topic for high profile new comers. For a player of his hype, he already has set the bar pretty high.

Or maybe speculation rises since your team had been eliminated

[Kevin]

air gordon, an athletic Boris Diaw? That's putting it lightly. He has huge potential but his IQ is questionable. A DeRozan at best or Gay at the least.

I'm really intrigued about who the 69ers would pick as the 1st pick. Perhaps another center? Or Simmons? We should make a mock draft thread again.

[air gordon]

yeah it's putting it lightly. time to get the hype train moving.

just pointing out a skillset similar to what i read on a scouting report. i don't claim to be a draft expert and i'm not trying to rain on any of your guys parade. it's a fun time for the teams picking in the lottery. enjoy it. again

DeRozan? Gay? That sounds pretty damning