Official Finals Thread: Heat Vs Mavs

this isn't a series until Miami wins Game 4. Avery Johnson has solved Shaq and everyone else except Wade. Miami will go only as far as Wade can take them. Nice win for Miami, but once again they were outplayed and if it weren't for some Wade insanity they'd be in a 0-3 hole. They can't expect Wade to bring that every game.

Btw, can we please leave the Jordan comparisons alone. No one should be compared to Jordan unless they start winning championships, scoring titles and defensive accolades.

You compare him to Jordan?

There are quite a few experts who are comparing Wade to Jordan, not just him. You, my friend, are the one who is being laughed at. Get to know your stuff before you go on blasting other members with all this nonsense.

Today, in 1 of 3 games, he had a decent percentage. That's called luck. in previous two games his percentage was just pathetic.

Did you miss the whole Pistons/Heat series? Dwyane doesn't get lucky. It's called talent.

I'm not talking about those games, I'm talking about the finals, the most important games of the year, where he, except todays games, is denieing his team from a rare chance to win a championship. Today he played really well (still not as a "pass first" player should be playing), and I don't deny it. The fact is, he played exactly the same in the last two games, it's just that today he made those shots. That's the difference. A good player has to be able to adapt to the game so his team could win. He seem to not do that. He seems just to be curious about getting his stats, no matter what the result.
And about Jordan, that's worth of a good laugh. I read those articles too, but their just absurd. James is much closer to Jordan than this guy. With this kind of a team around him any NBA superstar (even allen, some other almost superstars) would reach the finals. Jordan didn't have such roster, and he not only won it, but he won it in style.
If you think he is playing as he should be, then why are the Heat trailing and why are they going to lose to a team that's normally weaker than them? He has loads of talent, but doesn't use it good enough to help his team.

Game 5 Western Conf. finals Dirk had 50pts 14/26 fg 5/6 3pointers 17/18 ft 12reb 3ast 1stl 1to

Game 3 NBA Finals Wade 42pts 14/26 fg 1/2 3pointers 13/18 ft 13reb 2ast 2stl 1to

So is it ok for dirk to play like this and not wade or is it jus ok to play like this to get the the championship but not play like this once you get there?

Oh yea and bhzmafia stop hatin on the heat i know y u dont like them

I didn't say anything about Dirk. He is just a scorer, who HAS to take shots. Wade is also. But Dirk never had the abilitie to involve his teammates to the game. He is just a pure scorer like Kobe. And THIS is what they need from him. Afterall, he's a forward, not a guard. While Wade, who plays guard, sometimes even point, CAN get his teammates involved and that way make it much harder for the defense to stop Miami. In the first two games Miami desperately needed execution on offense, whitch they didn't have, because of Wade and Walker. That's why their trailing 1-2 and will lose the series. I mean, we all know that Wade is a superplayer, he doesn't need to prove that anymore. Now he has to go for victories, and that is done by EXECUTING on offense, getting his teammates involved, not just going one-on-one all the time. Today he just showed, that he CAN win a GAME playing like this, but he won't win the series. That's what I've been trying to say. He's not playing the right way. That's why in the past 3 years the champions are a defensive, team-basketball playing team (Spurs, Detroit).

This win meant nothing. Dallas was winning and only Wade's exceptional performence was what allowed Miami to come out as a winner, but they're still losing the series.

Just becuase Memhpis couldnt beat Dallas in a game doesn't give you the right to be a hater. The finals are well and truely alive. Game 4 will be a war.

I'm not being a hater, I actually like Wade and I was impressed with his performance. I consider Dallas the better team though and that they will win the series with no doubt. Think about it, it took all that to beat Dallas in that one game when Dallas can basically blow the Heat out the water during other games. So this means the Heat have to play their hearts out every game in order for them to try and win this series literally. I think I've been right on the past 2 NBA Finals, so I'm looking to continue that streak.

I just can't believe Dirk missed that free throw, it brought back memories of Pau.

The heat only "played their hearts out" in the last 5 minutes of the game, and the completely dominated dallas in that period. You're man ammunition for why dallas will win is becuase you "think" you corectly predicted the last two finals winners

this isn't a series until Miami wins Game 4. Avery Johnson has solved Shaq and everyone else except Wade. Miami will go only as far as Wade can take them. Nice win for Miami, but once again they were outplayed and if it weren't for some Wade insanity they'd be in a 0-3 hole. They can't expect Wade to bring that every game.

It's not a series? Then why are you watching and posting about it? If Dallas won game 3 I'd agree with you, but 2-1 constitutes a series, and is as close as it can be after 3 games. You cant be 1.5 all.

Btw, can we please leave the Jordan comparisons alone. No one should be compared to Jordan unless they start winning championships, scoring titles and defensive accolades.

So is Kobe deserving of the comparison?

It's not a series? Then why are you watching and posting about it? If Dallas won game 3 I'd agree with you, but 2-1 constitutes a series, and is as close as it can be after 3 games. You cant be 1.5 all.

it's not a series to me because Dallas has completely outplayed Miami. Miami's win was very fortunate (Shaq & Udonis FT's, Payton J and Wade domination). Other than that, Dallas was the better team, and the onus is on Miami to make this a series.

So is Kobe deserving of the comparison?

obviously not.

it's not a series to me because Dallas has completely outplayed Miami. Miami's win was very fortunate (Shaq & Udonis FT's, Payton J and Wade domination). Other than that, Dallas was the better team, and the onus is on Miami to make this a series.

But the fact of the matter is its 2-1. You can't use the fortunate excuse, its not legitimate. Basketball is somewhat luck related. Was Dallas "fortunate to win game 2, with stackhouse hitting 3's left right and centre, shaq only taking 5 shots and Wade playing like Richard Hamilton rather than Lebron James. Miami has made it a series by winning this game. You cant have a closer result after 3 games then 2-1, so I'm not really sure what you expect to make it a "series" in your books.

obviously not.

But he fits your criteria of having to win a championship, scoring title and defensive accolades.

You cant have a closer result after 3 games then 2-1, so I'm not really sure what you expect to make it a "series" in your books.

Too true.

this was definitely the most frustrating, sickening game I've watched since the Bulls-Jazz '98 NBA Finals series (& no I'm not talking about Game 6)....

Stackhouse - they would've been better with Griffin out there....he was shocking all day....
Avery Johnson's tactics - keeping Stackhouse on the floor....not calling a timeout when Dirk was looking for one....having Dirk inbound the ball on the final play....

fall credit to Wade & Haslem though....they earnt their paychecks tonight

That's why I'm going for Dallas. Miami has 5x talent over Dallas, but 2/3 of their players are douchebag egoists, who go for stats (especially Wade).

Oh yeah, and you arrived at that conclusion based on what? Is this the same freudian logic you used to say that Arvydas Sabonis was the greatest center, or that Machidhakdjsdakjldsa for NOK is one of the greatest 3pt shooters in the world?

You say they don't have more talent? Look at their roster:
Wade, Shaq, Walker, Mourning, Payton, Williams (all stars), then Haslem and J. Posey.
While Dallas only have D. Nowitzky as an all star, good scorers Terry, Howard and Stackhouse, two centers with no real offensive threat, Van Horn with no D and Griffin with no offense. You look at the rosters and you see the huge differense. Miami have skills+experience, but they don't have TEAM basketball. But maybe you don't know what that is.

EDIT: wait until next season and you'll see yourself. If it wasn't for the racist coach, you would know that Macijauskas is a top-5 shooter.

And about Sabonis, he is the highest basketball IQ having center in the history of basketball. That's what I think is the most important, that's why I think he's the best. You may think that a big diesel is better, I don't care.

I wasn't arguing over the talent. I was arguing the second part of the statement about Dwyane Wade being an egoist.

Gedas, some of the stuff you're saying is absolutely retarded. Dwayne Wade's play should not reflect his mind-frame. You can question his judgement and decision-making at times, but never question his desire to win. The guy is one of the most humble, least egotistic superstars this league has seen in a long time.

The Jordan-comparisons are valid. The guy constantly elevates his game during in the fourth quarter. The fact is, some of his performances are MJ-like, and not seen in any other player in this league. The guy can shoot a low percentage for the first three quarters and then dominate the final twelve minutes. He's just that good. He's by no means perfect, and lacks consistency, but if there's any time to acknowledge the similarities, it's certainly after last night.

Plus, where in the world are you getting the idea that Miami is so much more talented than Dallas? Since when are Walker, Williams, Mourning and Payton all-stars? Mourning and Payton provide nothing on offense, while the other two do the same on defense. They're all role-players who used to be all-stars, minus Williams who never has been one. The Mavs, on the other hand, have all the offensive firepower in the world.

I was just about to jump in...but GloveGuy said practicly everything i meant to say.

Gedas, some of the stuff you're saying is absolutely retarded. Dwayne Wade's play should not reflect his mind-frame. You can question his judgement and decision-making at times, but never question his desire to win. The guy is one of the most humble, least egotistic superstars this league has seen in a long time.

The Jordan-comparisons are valid. The guy constantly elevates his game during in the fourth quarter. The fact is, some of his performances are MJ-like, and not seen in any other player in this league. The guy can shoot a low percentage for the first three quarters and then dominate the final twelve minutes. He's just that good. He's by no means perfect, and lacks consistency, but if there's any time to acknowledge the similarities, it's certainly after last night.

Plus, where in the world are you getting the idea that Miami is so much more talented than Dallas? Since when are Walker, Williams, Mourning and Payton all-stars? Mourning and Payton provide nothing on offense, while the other two do the same on defense. They're all role-players who used to be all-stars, minus Williams who never has been one. The Mavs, on the other hand, have all the offensive firepower in the world.

I wasn't talking about that, but anyways. Whatever, as I see you don't understand what I'm trying to say. Miami would be leading 3-0 if he would have played as well as he CAN. I wasn't talking about his basketball IQ, whitch is still lacking. MAYBE, after a couple of years, he will be good and know how to use his abilities. Right now, him being compared to Jordan makes me laugh. Kobe is much closer to that. He has 3 rings, he has the abilitie to step his game in the final Q., he is the best clutch player and they play in simmilar style. Still, even Kobe is FAR from Jordan, and it's just stupid to compare him to Jordan.
Sheesh, I might say that many "experts" compare James, Bryant to Jordan. But this is just wrong and demoralising to Jordan himself. All of these players put together might be up to it, but not aside. So please let this go, Wadee ain't even gonna reach James level, not to talk about Jordan.

The heat only "played their hearts out" in the last 5 minutes of the game, and the completely dominated dallas in that period. You're man ammunition for why dallas will win is becuase you "think" you corectly predicted the last two finals winners

The Heat played their hearts out in the first half and the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. They wanted that game so bad that they OD'ed on the starting lineups And thats not my main ammunition, I've said over and over that the Mavericks are too deep of a team to the point of where Miami just can't compete with them in a series. Wade had to score 40 points in order for them to get a 2 point victory.

I'm pretty sure Avery Johnson will find a way to stop Wade since he did pretty much find a way to stop Shaq. When you look at the bench production from the Heat players in the last game, you'll see that they only got 8 points out of their bench. Posey won't score unless he gets fouled or is shooting a completely non-contested 3-point shot. We already know about Payton and Mourning, I just don't consider them threats. With Stack, Dampier, Harris, Daniels and KVH on the Mavs bench, I can see them outscoring the Heat bench by 20 every game. Luckily for the Heat, Stackhouse had an off night and was only 1-9 from the field which probably won't happen for the next few games. And I "DID" correctly pick the last two championship winners. Miami just caught alot of breaks in that game as far the jumper GP made with 9 secs, Dirk missing the free throw to Stack having a bad night. You don't see those types of things everyday from the Mavs or you won't expect GP to hit a potential game winning shot either at his age.

You compare him to Jordan?

There are quite a few experts who are comparing Wade to Jordan, not just him. You, my friend, are the one who is being laughed at. Get to know your stuff before you go on blasting other members with all this nonsense.

Today, in 1 of 3 games, he had a decent percentage. That's called luck. in previous two games his percentage was just pathetic.

Did you miss the whole Pistons/Heat series? Dwyane doesn't get lucky. It's called talent.

I'm not talking about those games, I'm talking about the finals, the most important games of the year, where he, except todays games, is denieing his team from a rare chance to win a championship. Today he played really well (still not as a "pass first" player should be playing), and I don't deny it. The fact is, he played exactly the same in the last two games, it's just that today he made those shots. That's the difference. A good player has to be able to adapt to the game so his team could win. He seem to not do that. He seems just to be curious about getting his stats, no matter what the result.
And about Jordan, that's worth of a good laugh. I read those articles too, but their just absurd. James is much closer to Jordan than this guy. With this kind of a team around him any NBA superstar (even allen, some other almost superstars) would reach the finals. Jordan didn't have such roster, and he not only won it, but he won it in style.
If you think he is playing as he should be, then why are the Heat trailing and why are they going to lose to a team that's normally weaker than them? He has loads of talent, but doesn't use it good enough to help his team.

Game 5 Western Conf. finals Dirk had 50pts 14/26 fg 5/6 3pointers 17/18 ft 12reb 3ast 1stl 1to

Game 3 NBA Finals Wade 42pts 14/26 fg 1/2 3pointers 13/18 ft 13reb 2ast 2stl 1to

So is it ok for dirk to play like this and not wade or is it jus ok to play like this to get the the championship but not play like this once you get there?

Oh yea and bhzmafia stop hatin on the heat i know y u dont like them

I didn't say anything about Dirk. He is just a scorer, who HAS to take shots. Wade is also. But Dirk never had the abilitie to involve his teammates to the game. He is just a pure scorer like Kobe. And THIS is what they need from him. Afterall, he's a forward, not a guard. While Wade, who plays guard, sometimes even point, CAN get his teammates involved and that way make it much harder for the defense to stop Miami. In the first two games Miami desperately needed execution on offense, whitch they didn't have, because of Wade and Walker. That's why their trailing 1-2 and will lose the series. I mean, we all know that Wade is a superplayer, he doesn't need to prove that anymore. Now he has to go for victories, and that is done by EXECUTING on offense, getting his teammates involved, not just going one-on-one all the time. Today he just showed, that he CAN win a GAME playing like this, but he won't win the series. That's what I've been trying to say. He's not playing the right way. That's why in the past 3 years the champions are a defensive, team-basketball playing team (Spurs, Detroit).

For some reason I thought they brought Williams in to play point so he can distribute the ball and Wade can play shooting guard to shoot the ball. IDK maybe I'm wrong. Even with that I cant c how someone can call wade a ball hog. Kobe got critized for not going down firing and wade gets critized for going down firing and WINNING!

I'm not comparing anyone to jordan but as far as lebron to wade i believe wade has done jus as much and if lebron will get those comparisons wade should too. Wade lead the heat his rookie season to the playoffs and won the 1st round and gave the pacers a tough fight in the 2nd round. I believe lebron is jus now doing that as far as the playoffs is concerned. Stats wise wade may never keep up with him but winning wise well those stats dont lie.

You compare him to Jordan?

There are quite a few experts who are comparing Wade to Jordan, not just him. You, my friend, are the one who is being laughed at. Get to know your stuff before you go on blasting other members with all this nonsense.

Today, in 1 of 3 games, he had a decent percentage. That's called luck. in previous two games his percentage was just pathetic.

Did you miss the whole Pistons/Heat series? Dwyane doesn't get lucky. It's called talent.

I'm not talking about those games, I'm talking about the finals, the most important games of the year, where he, except todays games, is denieing his team from a rare chance to win a championship. Today he played really well (still not as a "pass first" player should be playing), and I don't deny it. The fact is, he played exactly the same in the last two games, it's just that today he made those shots. That's the difference. A good player has to be able to adapt to the game so his team could win. He seem to not do that. He seems just to be curious about getting his stats, no matter what the result.
And about Jordan, that's worth of a good laugh. I read those articles too, but their just absurd. James is much closer to Jordan than this guy. With this kind of a team around him any NBA superstar (even allen, some other almost superstars) would reach the finals. Jordan didn't have such roster, and he not only won it, but he won it in style.
If you think he is playing as he should be, then why are the Heat trailing and why are they going to lose to a team that's normally weaker than them? He has loads of talent, but doesn't use it good enough to help his team.

Game 5 Western Conf. finals Dirk had 50pts 14/26 fg 5/6 3pointers 17/18 ft 12reb 3ast 1stl 1to

Game 3 NBA Finals Wade 42pts 14/26 fg 1/2 3pointers 13/18 ft 13reb 2ast 2stl 1to

So is it ok for dirk to play like this and not wade or is it jus ok to play like this to get the the championship but not play like this once you get there?

Oh yea and bhzmafia stop hatin on the heat i know y u dont like them

I didn't say anything about Dirk. He is just a scorer, who HAS to take shots. Wade is also. But Dirk never had the abilitie to involve his teammates to the game. He is just a pure scorer like Kobe. And THIS is what they need from him. Afterall, he's a forward, not a guard. While Wade, who plays guard, sometimes even point, CAN get his teammates involved and that way make it much harder for the defense to stop Miami. In the first two games Miami desperately needed execution on offense, whitch they didn't have, because of Wade and Walker. That's why their trailing 1-2 and will lose the series. I mean, we all know that Wade is a superplayer, he doesn't need to prove that anymore. Now he has to go for victories, and that is done by EXECUTING on offense, getting his teammates involved, not just going one-on-one all the time. Today he just showed, that he CAN win a GAME playing like this, but he won't win the series. That's what I've been trying to say. He's not playing the right way. That's why in the past 3 years the champions are a defensive, team-basketball playing team (Spurs, Detroit).

For some reason I thought they brought Williams in to play point so he can distribute the ball and Wade can play shooting guard to shoot the ball. IDK maybe I'm wrong. Even with that I cant c how someone can call wade a ball hog. Kobe got critized for not going down firing and wade gets critized for going down firing and WINNING!

I'm not comparing anyone to jordan but as far as lebron to wade i believe wade has done jus as much and if lebron will get those comparisons wade should too. Wade lead the heat his rookie season to the playoffs and won the 1st round and gave the pacers a tough fight in the 2nd round. I believe lebron is jus now doing that as far as the playoffs is concerned. Stats wise wade may never keep up with him but winning wise well those stats dont lie.

Boy, this is one long ass quite

Anyways, I won't repeat my opinion for the n-th time. I didn't critisize him for this game. If he would play like today all of the time, then he would be the best of all time. But he doesn't. So, if he has a great night like today, Heat win and he is god. But if Wade has a bad night (whitch is more often), they lose, like in the first two games. The Heat depends on 2 players. Shaq is out of the question, so now it's a Wade lottery. I'm just saying this team will not win a championship unless Wade learns to share the ball when he's cold. THAT'S A FACT.

Boy, this is one long ass quite

Anyways, I won't repeat my opinion for the n-th time. I didn't critisize him for this game. If he would play like today all of the time, then he would be the best of all time. But he doesn't. So, if he has a great night like today, Heat win and he is god. But if Wade has a bad night (whitch is more often), they lose, like in the first two games. The Heat depends on 2 players. Shaq is out of the question, so now it's a Wade lottery. I'm just saying this team will not win a championship unless Wade learns to share the ball when he's cold. THAT'S A FACT.

First off you can always cut out part of the quote (see above). Secondly, you're saying that Wade has a bad night more often than a good night? Ok...I'll pretend Wade didn't shoot 60-some percent in the last series against the Pistons. Thirdly, if Wade played "like today all of the time" then he'd draw a million Kobe comparisons to how he's so selfish and doesn't pass the ball. You see Kobe getting 30-40-50 points night in and night out and drawing every negative adjective possible.

I'm pretty sure Avery Johnson will find a way to stop Wade since he did pretty much find a way to stop Shaq.

Stopping a 34 year old Shaq is alot different than stopping Wade. Number one, Avery rotates in Diop and Dampier on Shaq, also constantly double teaming him when he touches the ball. So most of the time, the Mavs find a good way to deny shaq the ball. Shaq is also not as mobile as Wade and won't go anywhere but infront of the basket.

Now, Avery will not double team Wade, because that would free up passing lanes and probably end up in a Shaq dunk or wide open 3. Wade will always get the ball, heck, he usually brings it up the floor. The Mavs don't match up well at all with Wade. Griffin is too slow, Harris is too small, same with Jet Terry. Wade constantly blows by the defenders and goes to the basket where he either lays it in or throws a lob to Shaq.

And we can say whatever we want about the Mavs offense, but remember that they have not scored 100 points in this series. That's why I think Miami has a legit chance at beating them. Most of the mavs spurts seem to come at the beginning or end of quarters, usually none in between. I think as long as the Heat can knock down the open shots and close out quarters they shouldn't have as much of a problem. It's not like the Mavs are stomping the shit out of them. [/b]

Gedas wrote:

Anyways, I won't repeat my opinion for the n-th time. I didn't critisize him for this game. If he would play like today all of the time, then he would be the best of all time. But he doesn't. So, if he has a great night like today, Heat win and he is god. But if Wade has a bad night (whitch is more often), they lose, like in the first two games. The Heat depends on 2 players. Shaq is out of the question, so now it's a Wade lottery. I'm just saying this team will not win a championship unless Wade learns to share the ball when he's cold. THAT'S A FACT.

so now if wade has a bad shootin night he should pass the ball more is wat you're saying? and if he isnt then he shouldnt pass the ball. so the old notion for shooters and scorers to keep shooting is not something that you believe in or atleast not in wade's case. so if he starts off bad he shouldnt try and score anymore? Im sorry but im a big fan of if aint broke dont try and fix it. If the mavs want to continue to play wade one on one which no one one the mavs can stop him keep puttin the pressure on them to stop him and once he gets doubled and tripled teamed then it is time to throw the ball to his teammates.

Well right about now I'm 100% and fully is a D.Wade hater lol.
It was such a beautiful pass by dirk and Wade had to come out of
nowhere and tip the ball off but Wade is nice, even though its
funny how Dallas wins @ home with doulbe digit points and
Heat has to win with an promising and praying 2 points ahead.

Gedas
u still havnt answered my question how does dwade play for stats.
im not doubting tht jordan is possibly the best player ever but u are not considering all the factors. u are considering the comparison of the Bull's roster during Jordan's time and the roster of the Heat during this span of time. u have not compared the rosters of the opponents now have u??

Gedas
u still havnt answered my question how does dwade play for stats.
im not doubting tht jordan is possibly the best player ever but u are not considering all the factors. u are considering the comparison of the Bull's roster during Jordan's time and the roster of the Heat during this span of time. u have not compared the rosters of the opponents now have u??

What is the question? I already said my opinion in that long ass quote. You can probably find the answer to your question there.

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What is the question? I already said my opinion in that long ass quite. You can probably find the answer to your question there.

Yes, in your quite, your long ass quite, you have all the answers.

Dwyane Wade is fucking amazing. Hobbled by Shaq falling on him, the fatigue, the tough Dallas defense, he battles through and carries this team to a win. What a shot by Payton, I felt so happy for his smack talking ass.

That was one of the best games in the Playoffs, very very intense. Here's looking forward to tonights game. Fuck school, it's the NBA Finals.

Btw, you sure are talking with a lot of confidence Mafia, just because a team is deep and seemingly too much to handle, doesn't make it a fact that they'll win. You're almost trying to convince whoever is for Miami that it's hopeless to even hope. Why? Dallas is too deep you say. It's nice to read comments from "haters" and all, but your utter disrespect for the opponent is just sickening.

Dwyane Wade is fucking amazing. Hobbled by Shaq falling on him, the fatigue, the tough Dallas defense, he battles through and carries this team to a win. What a shot by Payton, I felt so happy for his smack talking ass.

That was one of the best games in the Playoffs, very very intense. Here's looking forward to tonights game. Fuck school, it's the NBA Finals.

Btw, you sure are talking with a lot of confidence Mafia, just because a team is deep and seemingly too much to handle, doesn't make it a fact that they'll win. You're almost trying to convince whoever is for Miami that it's hopeless to even hope. Why? Dallas is too deep you say. It's nice to read comments from "haters" and all, but your utter disrespect for the opponent is just sickening.

I didn't think it sounded that bad. I mean the only players I consider threats on the Heat are Jwill, Wade, Haslem and Shaq. Those 4 players can have really good nights, as far as Posey, he can have a good defensive game but I can't see him just being the main reason why they would win a game. The threats I see on Dallas are Terry, Howard, Dirk, Daniels, KVH, Stackhouse. As far as Griffin, Dampier, Diop and those type of players, I don't consider them to have big games for Dallas, but just like Posey they could be key defensive factors.

I mean, I just really don't think the Heat can beat the Mavericks straight up, I would love to be wrong though becaue that would just make me even more anxious to watch the games. Anything can happen in basketball games so I wouldn't put money on the games played either. But, I'm real confident on my prediction, but if I'm wrong, I will admit it. Just like I really don't think the Heat will win the next game, but if they do, they would've really proved me wrong.

as far as Posey, he can have a good defensive game but I can't see him just being the main reason why they would win a game. The threats I see on Dallas are Terry, Howard, Dirk, Daniels, KVH, Stackhouse. As far as Griffin, Dampier, Diop and those type of players, I don't consider them to have big games for Dallas, but just like Posey they could be key defensive factors.

That I don't agree with. Posey is definetly a threat from the 3pt line... he's by far the best shooter on the Heat. He just doesn't have any plays run from him, so usually he gets open looks when Shaq is doubled. If he hits 3 or 4 three pointers, the Heat usually win.

as far as Posey, he can have a good defensive game but I can't see him just being the main reason why they would win a game. The threats I see on Dallas are Terry, Howard, Dirk, Daniels, KVH, Stackhouse. As far as Griffin, Dampier, Diop and those type of players, I don't consider them to have big games for Dallas, but just like Posey they could be key defensive factors.

That I don't agree with. Posey is definetly a threat from the 3pt line... he's by far the best shooter on the Heat. He just doesn't have any plays run from him, so usually he gets open looks when Shaq is doubled. If he hits 3 or 4 three pointers, the Heat usually win.

That's what I'm saying, thats the only reason why I don't see him as a threat on offense. It's like he has to be open in order for him to get his shots off because he can't really create his own shot. He was like that when he played in Memphis. He get his points from fastbreak dunks, wide open shots and at the line. I've rarely seen him use his post up game that he use to have in Memphis, but I could be wrong because its not like I've been watching the Heat all year long anyway It seems to me that Dallas has made it where if Shaq is doubled, they are able to get out quick enough to either contest the outside jumper or force them to keep moving the ball around.