Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:32 am
IndyPacers67 Mock Draft Version 3
The players have been worked out, stock has risen, stock has fallen, and now we are in the second to final stage of the draft process. This mock draft will be the final untill the day before the draft when all the teams have their intentions pretty much set.
1.) Milwaukee Bucks- Andrew Bogut C (7'0" 251)
This is the obvious pick here. The Bucks need help at every position and he is the most highly touted player in the draft. He'll absolutly be picked here.
2.) Atlanta Hawks- Marvin Williams SF (6'8" 228)
The Hawks want Marvin or Andrew, and they'll pick up whoever Milwaukee doesn't take. These two are a 1-2 lock this season. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Williams ends up being the best player in the draft.
3.) Portland Trailblazers- Chris Paul PG (6'1" 178)
Before everybody jumps on me and yells about how much they are drooling over Gerald Green, listen up. They will NOT pick Green at the 3rd spot. They are going to pick the best player available here, and see how far Green slips. Then they will work out a deal for the team that selects him.
4.) New Orleans Hornets- Deron Williams PG (6'3" 202)
They need a point guard, bad. He's the second best point guard in the draft. He's pretty much a lock for the 4th pick, I don't see him rising or slipping anywhere else. He's a very good composed player who has a good knowledge of the game. Don't be surprised if it takes him a few years and a few teams to develop though.
5.) Charlotte Bobcats- Gerald Green SF (6'7" 192)
They want Chris Paul, they know Portland wants Gerald Green. I see a trade here involving these two teams swapping players and maybe cash, a second round pick or a future pick going to Portland as well as Green.
6.) Utah Jazz- Martell Webster G/F (6'7" 230)
The draft really gets interesting here, but I definitley do not see Raymond Felton going this high. A lot of red flags have been raised in his workouts, and his stock has slipped drastically. The Jazz are choosing between 3 players here (Webster, Danny Granger and Antoine Wright). I mostly picked them to get Webster because they think he could develop the most out of the three. They are not planning on winning many games next season and they want to rebuild slowly instead of making the playoffs right away but not being able to get any farther then that.
7.) Toronto Raptors- Joey Graham SF (6'6" 217)
The Raptors will definitley pick a small forward with the departure of Vince Carter. The question here is who do they go with: Danny Granger? Antoine Wright? Do they take a major gamble and go with Hakim Warrick? I say no to all of these. Joey Graham's stock rises every day for 3 reasons. He is incredibly athletic, he is very very tough, he has incredible work ethic. He's a shorter version of Chris Bosh (not in style of play but in basketball personality) so the Raptors take him here.
8.) New York Knicks- Danny Granger SF (6'9" 225)
This could be a steal here for the Knicks. They get a tall athletic player who can put the ball in the basket. Plain and simple. Danny Granger can score. When you think about a lineup including Marbury, Crawford and Granger, you have a lineup that can flat out score. The Knicks know they are not a good enough defensive team to compete in half court games with the Pacers and Pistons. So they will try to go the other way and just try to outscore teams. Will Isiah actually make a good pick here? I think he just might
Now with there next pick, they need a big man
9.) Golden State Warriors- Charlie Villanueva PF (6'10" 237)
They will not make good on their promise to draft Channing Frye. The reason is simple, Troy Murphy is better when he plays Center, and power forward becomes the only real hole in the Golden State lineup. (Depending where you play Richardson or Davis etc.) I see them picking a guy who can rebound next to Murphy and I think will improve his outside shooting. Charlie will develop fast too, don't be surprised to see him have a 15-10 rookie season.
10.) LA Lakers- Raymond Felton PG (6'1" 200)
You should be thrilled Laker fans. This guy can play. He is a very good all around player. He shouldn't slip this low, but I think he will. Some mocks have him going even lower. Raymond will develop into a fantastic player, and he will be one of those guys where everybody asks why they passed on him. Good pick by the Lakers
11.) Orlando Magic- Channing Frye C (6'11" 244)
I think the Magic are in pretty good shape for next season, and they'll compete for a playoff spot. With Francis and Nelson at the point guard slots, Christe at the SG, Hill at SF, Howard at PF, all they need is a good center. They will go the Frye route because he fits their needs and he is the best player available. He is a gamble no doubt, he's skinny, he has trouble scoring against bigger players. But I think he will develop an outside shot and become a pretty decent NBA player.
12.) LA Clippers- Antoine Wright SG (6'6" 203)
The Clippers are close. They are very close to contending. I think they will use this pick to select a guy who is possibly going to be a good backup shooting guard maybe even a starter. He is an outstanding 3-point shooter, but who knows if his range really reaches the NBA 3 point range. I think hes a bit of a gamble, but he is the best player available, and the Clip crew doesn't really have any major holes that need filling.
13.) Charlotte Bobcats- Rashad McCants SG (6'4" 201)
Yes, most mock drafts have him going lower then this, even as low as 21. However, I see McCants stock rising by draft day because teams will be worried about him straighting out his attitude problems and playing up to the potential he has. On paper he should be a top 5 pick, but his attitude problems have cost him a whole lot. Charlotte has two picks in the lottery and they will probably not be able to over look McCants. He is by far the best talent available here, I don't see them passing.
14.) Minnesota Timberwolves- Hakim Warrick SF/PF (6'8" 215)
The T-Wolves are by far the best team in the lottery. They have the best player in the league (debatable) with Kevin Garnett, and he is surrounded by some good players. Its a complete shame they weren't competeing for the title this year, and I fully expect them right back in the race for the title next season. Hakim Warrick is so much like Kevin Garnett is scary. I think the T-Wolves are too bright to pass up on a guy with his talent. He has the best chance to flourish with the T-Wolves, considering his mentor would be the guy who I'm sure he models a lot of his game after. No way the T-Wolves pass on Warrick here.
15.) New Jersey Nets- Fran Vazquez PF (6'10" 230)
I think there's still talk Vazquez may pull his name from the draft but if he doesn't he will definitley go to New Jersey. They were really hoping for Hakim Warrick, but with him gone, they will have to settle. I saw Vazquez play when I went to Barcelona, and the guy is NBA ready. The guy can flat out play. I don't see him being a major threat right away, but one thing he will not be is tentative. He can shoot from outside, he can drive, and he can definitley rebound. I think NJ will make this pick biting their lip because they wanted someone who can run with Kidd, Carter and Jefferson. They'll only pick him because hes a guy who is very good, and they won't risk passing on him. (Yes, that does seem to be a trend)
16.) Toronto Raptors- Sean May PF (6'8" 260)
The Raptors have two first round picks, after picking Joey Graham with their first pick, they will go with a guy who has question marks, but great upside here. May can run (faster then people think) he can rebound, and he can score. I like May here, and I think he'll fit in well with Toronto. This also gives them a very good young frontcourt, that could develop in to an excellent one with Graham, May and Bosh.
17.) Indiana Pacers- Francisco Garcia SG (6'7" 190)
This guy is why I'm hoping the Laker trade doesn't go down. He looks so much like Reggie when he's playing. I really want him on the team. He has tremendous upside, he can shoot the three better then anyone in the draft, and he can slash to the basket. I question his defense, but at this stage, that's ok. With Artest and Jackson starting at the 3 and 2 We don't exactly need a defensive stopper right now coming off the bench. If the trade doesnt go through (still a possibility) this will be the pick. If the Lakers pick here I expect them to pick Johan Petro.
18.) Boston Celtics- Johan Petro C (7'0" 260)
I don't know too much about Petro, but I know he's supposed to be good. I also know the Celtics have their eye on him and they want a center out of this draft. They won't pick Andre Blatche because they already have a high schooler on this team in Al Jefferson. I don't think they want to take on another one in back to back years. I see them picking someone who has already played pro-ball.
19.) Memphis Grizzlies- Yaroslav Korolev SF (6'9" 220)
Yaroslav is supposed to be an excellent player, but I think the college class is too good this year for him to be picked much higher. The Grizz have a pretty good team, and with the possibility of Bonzi Wells being gone, they want to stack up at the small forward position. They are willing to take on a guy like this, and who knows, he could be pretty good here.
20.) Denver Nuggets- Andray Blatche F/C (7'0" 230)
I don't know much about this kid, but he's supposed to be tough. He has good potential and plays well facing the basket. I think the Nuggets are willing to pick him since they have another pick coming in two picks.
21.) Phoenix Suns- Chris Taft F/C (6'10" 260)
After the Chicago workouts, Taft's stock fell like a rock tied to a T.V tied to a Truck tied to Oliver Miller. He did not work out well, and after being projected a top 10 pick he will slip all the way down to 21. Yes, he could go higher, but I think people will look past him. The Suns will pick him because their guessing he just had an off-tryout. Obviously their lineup is pretty much set (except for Richardson, who may be traded) so they go with the talent here and pick Taft.
22.) Denver Nuggets- Ike Diogu PF (6'8" 255)
The only reason Diogu isn't going to go a lot higher is because his game reads Marcus Fizer all over it. He has great footwork and he can handle the ball extremely well. His major weakness is he is slow and he is too small to play the PF position, and too slow to play SF. The Nuggets pick him here because they are going to take the risk that he can overcome his weaknesses and become he great player he should be.
23.) Sacramento Kings- CJ Miles SG (6'6" 210)
CJ can shoot very well. He is one of the best pure shooters in the draft if not the best. He absolutly knows the game better then any other high schooler in the draft, and he has good size. He will be a long term project but the Kings are willing to take that on. He will have a good mentor in Cuttino Mobley, they should work well together.
24.) Houston Rockets- Wayne Simien PF (6'8" 255)
Wayne Simien is a BEAST. If he didn't have serious injury problems he would be a top 10 pick easily. A lot of teams will pass on him simply because of that. He just isn't durable enough to sustain an 82 game season. If he can overcome that then we will see the steal of the century. With his talent there's no way he should slip all the way to 24. If he is able to reach his potential, Houston will be a real title contender within a few years.
25.) Seattle Supersonics- Ersan Ilyasova SF (6'9" 210)
I have never seen Ersan Ilyasova play, so I can't comment too much on him. The Sonics will not make the playoffs next year (unless they can somehow resign all the guys they are probably going to lose) so they aren't going to pick someone like Monta Ellis, who will have no chance to develop, and will get angry and leave. They'll pick a guy like this who nobody really knows. He is really young (barely 18) and I think will probably be anothe Darko.
26.) Detroit Pistons- Mona Ellis PG (6'3" 177)
Monta is a guy who will probably take up to 4 years to develop, but I think he has the potential to be a fantastic point guard. I've seen him play multiple times, and I played in a tournament that he was in 3 years ago. This is a guy who I hate to see go to Detroit because I like him so much, but they will pick him because they can afford to wait on him. They already have the most compete roster in the NBA, they don't need someone who will help them now, but maybe someone who can develop in to a good backup for Chauncy.
27.) Utah Jazz- Ronny Turiaf PF (6'9" 238)
nbadraft.net has Ronny going to the Pacers in the second round. But I think him slipping to 46 is about as likely as my dog playing in the NFL. Ronny is a big body that can rebound like crazy, and he is intimidating down low. He was virtually unstoppable for some games with Gonzaga last season, and really could develop in to a super steal for Utah. I'm really high on this guy, I think he has a chance to be a great 3rd option for any team in the league.
28.) San Antonio Spurs- Julius Hodge G/F (6'7" 202)
I love Julius, he was my favorite player in the tourny last year. I'm rooting for him very hard to be a first round pick because I want him to get the chance to get that guarenteed contract. I think the Spurs will take a gamble with him. Obviously he is very skinny, which is his definite downside, but he knows the game better then anyone in this draft. I'll definitley be following his pro career, and it would be nice to see him going somewhere were he won't be a threat to the Pacers (untill the finals of course.)
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29.) Miami Heat- Salim Stoudamire SG (6'1" 186)
I think the Nick Van Exel comparison is apt, Salim is a guy who is an amazing outside shooter, and can put up a lot of points in a very short amount of time. He is so clutch, I don't think he'll slip as low as people think. However, his pro career could be a short stay. He is far too short to play shooting guard, but he isn't quick enough and lacks passing skills to play point guard. Look for the Heat to take another risk here by picking Salim, and if he doesn't pan out, I think Miami is going to be O.K.
30.) New York Knicks- Kennedy Winston SG (6'6" 220)
I think the Knicks have had their eye on Kennedy for a while for this pick, and I don't think they will pass on him. He can shoot the 3, he has NBA range, he's an underrated defender. The only reason he isn't a higher pick is because he just flat out isn't intense enough. He doesn't care enough about the game to be a top 15 pick, when with his skill level he should be. I think playing in the pros may raise that level of intensity though, but if it doesn't he'll be gone pretty quick.
The players have been worked out, stock has risen, stock has fallen, and now we are in the second to final stage of the draft process. This mock draft will be the final untill the day before the draft when all the teams have their intentions pretty much set.
1.) Milwaukee Bucks- Andrew Bogut C (7'0" 251)
This is the obvious pick here. The Bucks need help at every position and he is the most highly touted player in the draft. He'll absolutly be picked here.
2.) Atlanta Hawks- Marvin Williams SF (6'8" 228)
The Hawks want Marvin or Andrew, and they'll pick up whoever Milwaukee doesn't take. These two are a 1-2 lock this season. I wouldn't be surprised if Marvin Williams ends up being the best player in the draft.
3.) Portland Trailblazers- Chris Paul PG (6'1" 178)
Before everybody jumps on me and yells about how much they are drooling over Gerald Green, listen up. They will NOT pick Green at the 3rd spot. They are going to pick the best player available here, and see how far Green slips. Then they will work out a deal for the team that selects him.
4.) New Orleans Hornets- Deron Williams PG (6'3" 202)
They need a point guard, bad. He's the second best point guard in the draft. He's pretty much a lock for the 4th pick, I don't see him rising or slipping anywhere else. He's a very good composed player who has a good knowledge of the game. Don't be surprised if it takes him a few years and a few teams to develop though.
5.) Charlotte Bobcats- Gerald Green SF (6'7" 192)
They want Chris Paul, they know Portland wants Gerald Green. I see a trade here involving these two teams swapping players and maybe cash, a second round pick or a future pick going to Portland as well as Green.
6.) Utah Jazz- Martell Webster G/F (6'7" 230)
The draft really gets interesting here, but I definitley do not see Raymond Felton going this high. A lot of red flags have been raised in his workouts, and his stock has slipped drastically. The Jazz are choosing between 3 players here (Webster, Danny Granger and Antoine Wright). I mostly picked them to get Webster because they think he could develop the most out of the three. They are not planning on winning many games next season and they want to rebuild slowly instead of making the playoffs right away but not being able to get any farther then that.
7.) Toronto Raptors- Joey Graham SF (6'6" 217)
The Raptors will definitley pick a small forward with the departure of Vince Carter. The question here is who do they go with: Danny Granger? Antoine Wright? Do they take a major gamble and go with Hakim Warrick? I say no to all of these. Joey Graham's stock rises every day for 3 reasons. He is incredibly athletic, he is very very tough, he has incredible work ethic. He's a shorter version of Chris Bosh (not in style of play but in basketball personality) so the Raptors take him here.
8.) New York Knicks- Danny Granger SF (6'9" 225)
This could be a steal here for the Knicks. They get a tall athletic player who can put the ball in the basket. Plain and simple. Danny Granger can score. When you think about a lineup including Marbury, Crawford and Granger, you have a lineup that can flat out score. The Knicks know they are not a good enough defensive team to compete in half court games with the Pacers and Pistons. So they will try to go the other way and just try to outscore teams. Will Isiah actually make a good pick here? I think he just might
Now with there next pick, they need a big man
9.) Golden State Warriors- Charlie Villanueva PF (6'10" 237)
They will not make good on their promise to draft Channing Frye. The reason is simple, Troy Murphy is better when he plays Center, and power forward becomes the only real hole in the Golden State lineup. (Depending where you play Richardson or Davis etc.) I see them picking a guy who can rebound next to Murphy and I think will improve his outside shooting. Charlie will develop fast too, don't be surprised to see him have a 15-10 rookie season.
10.) LA Lakers- Raymond Felton PG (6'1" 200)
You should be thrilled Laker fans. This guy can play. He is a very good all around player. He shouldn't slip this low, but I think he will. Some mocks have him going even lower. Raymond will develop into a fantastic player, and he will be one of those guys where everybody asks why they passed on him. Good pick by the Lakers
11.) Orlando Magic- Channing Frye C (6'11" 244)
I think the Magic are in pretty good shape for next season, and they'll compete for a playoff spot. With Francis and Nelson at the point guard slots, Christe at the SG, Hill at SF, Howard at PF, all they need is a good center. They will go the Frye route because he fits their needs and he is the best player available. He is a gamble no doubt, he's skinny, he has trouble scoring against bigger players. But I think he will develop an outside shot and become a pretty decent NBA player.
12.) LA Clippers- Antoine Wright SG (6'6" 203)
The Clippers are close. They are very close to contending. I think they will use this pick to select a guy who is possibly going to be a good backup shooting guard maybe even a starter. He is an outstanding 3-point shooter, but who knows if his range really reaches the NBA 3 point range. I think hes a bit of a gamble, but he is the best player available, and the Clip crew doesn't really have any major holes that need filling.
13.) Charlotte Bobcats- Rashad McCants SG (6'4" 201)
Yes, most mock drafts have him going lower then this, even as low as 21. However, I see McCants stock rising by draft day because teams will be worried about him straighting out his attitude problems and playing up to the potential he has. On paper he should be a top 5 pick, but his attitude problems have cost him a whole lot. Charlotte has two picks in the lottery and they will probably not be able to over look McCants. He is by far the best talent available here, I don't see them passing.
14.) Minnesota Timberwolves- Hakim Warrick SF/PF (6'8" 215)
The T-Wolves are by far the best team in the lottery. They have the best player in the league (debatable) with Kevin Garnett, and he is surrounded by some good players. Its a complete shame they weren't competeing for the title this year, and I fully expect them right back in the race for the title next season. Hakim Warrick is so much like Kevin Garnett is scary. I think the T-Wolves are too bright to pass up on a guy with his talent. He has the best chance to flourish with the T-Wolves, considering his mentor would be the guy who I'm sure he models a lot of his game after. No way the T-Wolves pass on Warrick here.
15.) New Jersey Nets- Fran Vazquez PF (6'10" 230)
I think there's still talk Vazquez may pull his name from the draft but if he doesn't he will definitley go to New Jersey. They were really hoping for Hakim Warrick, but with him gone, they will have to settle. I saw Vazquez play when I went to Barcelona, and the guy is NBA ready. The guy can flat out play. I don't see him being a major threat right away, but one thing he will not be is tentative. He can shoot from outside, he can drive, and he can definitley rebound. I think NJ will make this pick biting their lip because they wanted someone who can run with Kidd, Carter and Jefferson. They'll only pick him because hes a guy who is very good, and they won't risk passing on him. (Yes, that does seem to be a trend)
16.) Toronto Raptors- Sean May PF (6'8" 260)
The Raptors have two first round picks, after picking Joey Graham with their first pick, they will go with a guy who has question marks, but great upside here. May can run (faster then people think) he can rebound, and he can score. I like May here, and I think he'll fit in well with Toronto. This also gives them a very good young frontcourt, that could develop in to an excellent one with Graham, May and Bosh.
17.) Indiana Pacers- Francisco Garcia SG (6'7" 190)
This guy is why I'm hoping the Laker trade doesn't go down. He looks so much like Reggie when he's playing. I really want him on the team. He has tremendous upside, he can shoot the three better then anyone in the draft, and he can slash to the basket. I question his defense, but at this stage, that's ok. With Artest and Jackson starting at the 3 and 2 We don't exactly need a defensive stopper right now coming off the bench. If the trade doesnt go through (still a possibility) this will be the pick. If the Lakers pick here I expect them to pick Johan Petro.
18.) Boston Celtics- Johan Petro C (7'0" 260)
I don't know too much about Petro, but I know he's supposed to be good. I also know the Celtics have their eye on him and they want a center out of this draft. They won't pick Andre Blatche because they already have a high schooler on this team in Al Jefferson. I don't think they want to take on another one in back to back years. I see them picking someone who has already played pro-ball.
19.) Memphis Grizzlies- Yaroslav Korolev SF (6'9" 220)
Yaroslav is supposed to be an excellent player, but I think the college class is too good this year for him to be picked much higher. The Grizz have a pretty good team, and with the possibility of Bonzi Wells being gone, they want to stack up at the small forward position. They are willing to take on a guy like this, and who knows, he could be pretty good here.
20.) Denver Nuggets- Andray Blatche F/C (7'0" 230)
I don't know much about this kid, but he's supposed to be tough. He has good potential and plays well facing the basket. I think the Nuggets are willing to pick him since they have another pick coming in two picks.
21.) Phoenix Suns- Chris Taft F/C (6'10" 260)
After the Chicago workouts, Taft's stock fell like a rock tied to a T.V tied to a Truck tied to Oliver Miller. He did not work out well, and after being projected a top 10 pick he will slip all the way down to 21. Yes, he could go higher, but I think people will look past him. The Suns will pick him because their guessing he just had an off-tryout. Obviously their lineup is pretty much set (except for Richardson, who may be traded) so they go with the talent here and pick Taft.
22.) Denver Nuggets- Ike Diogu PF (6'8" 255)
The only reason Diogu isn't going to go a lot higher is because his game reads Marcus Fizer all over it. He has great footwork and he can handle the ball extremely well. His major weakness is he is slow and he is too small to play the PF position, and too slow to play SF. The Nuggets pick him here because they are going to take the risk that he can overcome his weaknesses and become he great player he should be.
23.) Sacramento Kings- CJ Miles SG (6'6" 210)
CJ can shoot very well. He is one of the best pure shooters in the draft if not the best. He absolutly knows the game better then any other high schooler in the draft, and he has good size. He will be a long term project but the Kings are willing to take that on. He will have a good mentor in Cuttino Mobley, they should work well together.
24.) Houston Rockets- Wayne Simien PF (6'8" 255)
Wayne Simien is a BEAST. If he didn't have serious injury problems he would be a top 10 pick easily. A lot of teams will pass on him simply because of that. He just isn't durable enough to sustain an 82 game season. If he can overcome that then we will see the steal of the century. With his talent there's no way he should slip all the way to 24. If he is able to reach his potential, Houston will be a real title contender within a few years.
25.) Seattle Supersonics- Ersan Ilyasova SF (6'9" 210)
I have never seen Ersan Ilyasova play, so I can't comment too much on him. The Sonics will not make the playoffs next year (unless they can somehow resign all the guys they are probably going to lose) so they aren't going to pick someone like Monta Ellis, who will have no chance to develop, and will get angry and leave. They'll pick a guy like this who nobody really knows. He is really young (barely 18) and I think will probably be anothe Darko.
26.) Detroit Pistons- Mona Ellis PG (6'3" 177)
Monta is a guy who will probably take up to 4 years to develop, but I think he has the potential to be a fantastic point guard. I've seen him play multiple times, and I played in a tournament that he was in 3 years ago. This is a guy who I hate to see go to Detroit because I like him so much, but they will pick him because they can afford to wait on him. They already have the most compete roster in the NBA, they don't need someone who will help them now, but maybe someone who can develop in to a good backup for Chauncy.
27.) Utah Jazz- Ronny Turiaf PF (6'9" 238)
nbadraft.net has Ronny going to the Pacers in the second round. But I think him slipping to 46 is about as likely as my dog playing in the NFL. Ronny is a big body that can rebound like crazy, and he is intimidating down low. He was virtually unstoppable for some games with Gonzaga last season, and really could develop in to a super steal for Utah. I'm really high on this guy, I think he has a chance to be a great 3rd option for any team in the league.
28.) San Antonio Spurs- Julius Hodge G/F (6'7" 202)
I love Julius, he was my favorite player in the tourny last year. I'm rooting for him very hard to be a first round pick because I want him to get the chance to get that guarenteed contract. I think the Spurs will take a gamble with him. Obviously he is very skinny, which is his definite downside, but he knows the game better then anyone in this draft. I'll definitley be following his pro career, and it would be nice to see him going somewhere were he won't be a threat to the Pacers (untill the finals of course.)
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29.) Miami Heat- Salim Stoudamire SG (6'1" 186)
I think the Nick Van Exel comparison is apt, Salim is a guy who is an amazing outside shooter, and can put up a lot of points in a very short amount of time. He is so clutch, I don't think he'll slip as low as people think. However, his pro career could be a short stay. He is far too short to play shooting guard, but he isn't quick enough and lacks passing skills to play point guard. Look for the Heat to take another risk here by picking Salim, and if he doesn't pan out, I think Miami is going to be O.K.
30.) New York Knicks- Kennedy Winston SG (6'6" 220)
I think the Knicks have had their eye on Kennedy for a while for this pick, and I don't think they will pass on him. He can shoot the 3, he has NBA range, he's an underrated defender. The only reason he isn't a higher pick is because he just flat out isn't intense enough. He doesn't care enough about the game to be a top 15 pick, when with his skill level he should be. I think playing in the pros may raise that level of intensity though, but if it doesn't he'll be gone pretty quick.
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Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:11 am
Troy Murphy is better when he plays Center, and power forward becomes the only real hole in the Golden State lineup.
Troy Murphy better at C? You must be joking here... every time he tries to post up or face up to the basket facing a 6' 10" athletic and/or strong big man he gets the crap blocked out of his shot... Troy is a shooting power forward with a great outside game, and a fantastic rebounding sense, but has NO ability WHATSOEVER to play C... Period... 11.) Orlando Magic- Channing Frye C (6'11" 244)
He won't faal below 8 or 9, one of the Knicks or Warriors will get him... Yes, it probably is a reach but these two teams will draft for need, Golden State more righfully so... Plus the Magic will be content with the two-headed monster of Cato/Battie for now...
12.) LA Clippers- Antoine Wright SG (6'6" 203)
The Clippers are close. They are very close to contending. I think they will use this pick to select a guy who is possibly going to be a good backup shooting guard maybe even a starter.
They hope to build for the future... one or two seasons in te future... LA Clippers fans' are probably the most patient in the league, and won't mind another season out of teh playoffs if they are going to be true title contenders in the future... Plus, it is rumored that they have made a promise to Russian 18 year oild sensation Yaroslav Korolev of CSSKA Moscow, hoping to steal the next Kirilenko..
15.) New Jersey Nets- Fran Vazquez PF (6'10" 230)
he's 22 years old, and not enetring draft through college I believe it is his last year of eligibility... Should the Nets get him at 15, he'll be the steal of the draft...
17.) Indiana Pacers- Francisco Garcia SG (6'7" 190)
This guy is why I'm hoping the Laker trade doesn't go down. He looks so much like Reggie when he's playing. I really want him on the team. He has tremendous upside, he can shoot the three better then anyone in the draft,
I agree here, but Francio is not the best shooter in the draft... JJ Reddick (will stay another year though... ) and Salim Stoudamire are shooting phenoms.... although his height could make him better at pro level... He should bulk up a bit, though... unless he wants to be EXACTLY like Reggie...
21.) Phoenix Suns- Chris Taft F/C (6'10" 260)
After the Chicago workouts, Taft's stock fell like a rock tied to a T.V tied to a Truck tied to Oliver Miller.
... tied to John Madden... 
Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:16 am
Indy's is very similar to nbadraft.net's.
Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:02 pm
Jae wrote:Indy's is very similar to nbadraft.net's.
That's because I read the scouting reports there for the players Ive never seen, so our sources are the same, and just great minds think alike
Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:32 pm
As long as you don't use Chad Ford as your source (cough, Sit) you'll be fine
Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:11 pm
haha... it wasnt my mock draft Jae! i put up Chad Ford's mock draft...
Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:01 pm
I realize that now, but you didn't say it was Chad Ford's
Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:36 pm
shame Sit, shame 
I'll post my version 3 and probably final version of my mock draft after June 20, which I believe is the deadline for underclassmen to pull out....
I'll post my version 3 and probably final version of my mock draft after June 20, which I believe is the deadline for underclassmen to pull out....
Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:52 pm
Jarrett Jack's apparentely pulled out
Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:49 pm
if that's the case then I guess he didn't get a guarantee in the middle of the 1st Round that he was looking for....he's obviously hoping for a weaker draft next season with age limit in place....don't know if his stock will climb significantly, but you never know....with a huge season he could be a mid-to-late lottery pick, depending on what other PG's are in the draft....
Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:58 pm
Sorry Jae.. I thought there was something like we werne allowe dto post ESPN insider articles because it was illegal? So i din't post it directly.. and i didnt say it was mine either!
Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:35 am
Mock Draft finished.
D-whatthefuckeveryournameisthesedays:
As for Troy Murphy I meant on the defensive end he's better at Center
I disagree with you about Frye, but we'll see, also I see a Magic trade of Battie.
You may be right about Korolev, I didn't know about that.
Why would you even bring up JJ Redick, he isn't in the draft, I said "best shooter in the draft"
Plus, I think Garcia is better then Salim shooting wise.
D-whatthefuckeveryournameisthesedays:
As for Troy Murphy I meant on the defensive end he's better at Center
I disagree with you about Frye, but we'll see, also I see a Magic trade of Battie.
You may be right about Korolev, I didn't know about that.
Why would you even bring up JJ Redick, he isn't in the draft, I said "best shooter in the draft"
Plus, I think Garcia is better then Salim shooting wise.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:57 am
As for Troy Murphy I meant on the defensive end he's better at Center
Oh reaaaally? Is probably his strength, quickness, ahtletic ability and toughness what makes him so good on D
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Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:58 am
As for Troy Murphy I meant on the defensive end he's better at Center
No he isn't ... Trust me, it's my team, I know he can't bang it with the bruisers on D... That's why Foyle is here, at least he can block a few shots... Troy is a finesse rebounding PF, nothing more, nothing less...
Plus, I think Garcia is better then Salim shooting wise.
As I said, technique and release-wise, Salim is on top. Francio's height gives him the edge for shooting over people in the pros, though... But if you haven't witnessed Salim's lighning quick release, you haven't seen anything... Another level...
D-whatthefuckeveryournameisthesedays:
Be nice kid, be nice.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:09 am
Sit wrote:Sorry Jae.. I thought there was something like we werne allowe dto post ESPN insider articles because it was illegal? So i din't post it directly.. and i didnt say it was mine either!
Ah very clever, I didn't even think of that to be honest
I read about one of Salim's 1 on 1 workouts where he did nothing but shoot 3's
apparentely the guy kept coming right out to guard him at the perimiter since he knew he was just going to shoot, but he just hit them over the top of him.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:20 am
marvin williams's height really discouraged me. he's still huge (228, 7-3 wingspan) but draftcity had him, at times, as tall as 6'10. that woulda been UBER!! now he's just a regular sized SF and an undersized PF. granted the wingspan, but his height won't be able to overshadow his strength.
keep your eye out on STEPHEN GRAHAM. this kid's too affected by injuries and stupid OSU's decision to play him PF/SF. he was recruited as a PG!!
6'6" PG/SG/SF! the next coming of marquis daniels, just stronger and a guy that DUNKS MORE. i think he'll go undrafted but he'll be a STEAL.
keep your eye out on STEPHEN GRAHAM. this kid's too affected by injuries and stupid OSU's decision to play him PF/SF. he was recruited as a PG!!
6'6" PG/SG/SF! the next coming of marquis daniels, just stronger and a guy that DUNKS MORE. i think he'll go undrafted but he'll be a STEAL.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:31 am
If you look at some of the Hawks forums, there's a lot of talk how Josh Smith's future is at PF (BS if you ask me) - and he's the same height as Williams (6'7''). I still doubt that either Smith or Williams can actually play PF longterm and be successfull at it (with that I mean an Allstar). Williams does have a body of Dwight Howard but the latter has a two inch advantage. No, Williams's future is at SF - he's a inside/outside scoring SF with good size for his position. You know that there's a 40% chance that he gets listed at 6'10 (some reports are describing him as a '6'9 1/2'' forward'), 40% for 6'9'' and 20% for his real size ? Draftexpress wrote that he's a PF/SF and not vice versa.
? Draftexpress wrote that he's a PF/SF and not vice versa.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:34 am
Add to the fact that Williams' vertical isn't really too much to write home about either. I mentioned Stephen Graham earlier in the thread, I hope someone picks him up in the 2nd round
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:43 am
Stephen is Joey's bro', right? If they have the same genes (->athleticism) then someone MUST take him.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:45 am
He's barefoot 6' 8", correct? He'll get listed as 6' 9" or even 6' 10" if he's close enough in the NBA. He's also only 19...Kris Humphries grew 3" in the NBA.
If he's 6' 8" in shoes then yeah, he's best off playing SF unless he has massive amounts of upper body strength to hold another PF off with just 1 arm.
I think Stephen will get picked up 1 way or another...it would be unusual to have 1 twin be so much worse athletically, and Stephen did outplay Joey in Chicago.
If he's 6' 8" in shoes then yeah, he's best off playing SF unless he has massive amounts of upper body strength to hold another PF off with just 1 arm.
I think Stephen will get picked up 1 way or another...it would be unusual to have 1 twin be so much worse athletically, and Stephen did outplay Joey in Chicago.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:49 am
He's exactly 6'7 barefoot.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:11 am
Jarret Jack pulled out of the draft.
"One NBA team we spoke to has been informed that Jarrett Jack pulled his name out of the draft. Despite the progress that has been made recently, Jack is still worried about the possibility of a lockout next year, and therefore has decided to play it safe and return to college for his senior year. Jack cancelled a workout today with the Grizzlies." DraftExpress.com
Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:31 am
Captain America wrote:Jarret Jack pulled out of the draft."One NBA team we spoke to has been informed that Jarrett Jack pulled his name out of the draft. Despite the progress that has been made recently, Jack is still worried about the possibility of a lockout next year, and therefore has decided to play it safe and return to college for his senior year. Jack cancelled a workout today with the Grizzlies." DraftExpress.com
Hahaha, what a dumb reason, the lockout has already been averted... idiot. I bet his stock falls a lot, because I don't see much happening at GTech next season. He should have left after his sophomore year.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:35 am
well, this year's PG class is deep so maybe he thinks he'll be higher up next year.
Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:10 am
Damn, i was hoping the Pistons would pick him if Wayne Simean and Ike Diogu are gone.