Oh, so you are giving Jordan the credit for the wins in the year where he played 60 games and shot 41%.
How can you not? Also, "nice" way to elude the point of how you got the years wrong.
David Robinson was out most of that season before Duncan, then he played most of Duncan's rookie year.
Robinson immediately stood back for Duncan. Who was the nba first team member?
Yes, naturally adding an all star player to any second round team can make them a championship team.
Yeah just ask portland that when they added dale davis in the off season of 2000.
Taking a 29 win team to 62 wins and then having them remain a top team for your career, that sure is a little sidenote.
Duncan did the same thing. Jordan took longer to get to the top, but stayed there much longer then bird.
Oscar had to deal with the likes of Russell's Celtics and Wilt's Sixers. There was 5 teams in the eastern conference during some of those years. Think of all the times he had to play them in a season. Talk about competition - having to play against arguably the 2 best players ever week after week.
I dont care if Oscar had to deal with a trash can on seaseme street. The fact is he didnt get it done, and it was a regular occurance for his team to miss the playoffs. You can whinge about Jordan being athletic (lol like thats a bad thing) or being marketable, but he wasnt some David Beckham who didn't deleiver in the sport. Oscar did absolutely nothing in terms of winning until he was teamed up with Kareem. If you dare compare that to Jordan being with Pippen, well then you're an idiot. Kareem was absolutely unstopable, and was the man who virtually ended the Celtics auroa of invincability on their home court with that crazy sky hook at the end of game 6. Pippen was great in his role, but not until 1998 was he even compariable to Jordan in terms of their value to the bulls.
Haha, you forgot already about the Bulls big dropoff of 2 wins. Yeah, Mr. Hanes underwear sure was great. You also forgot to add that Cincinnati replaced Oscar with Hall of Famer Tiny Archibald. Who did the Bulls replace Jordan with again? Steve Kerr?
So oscar was that expendable he was replaced by a sub 6 foot player? Cincinatti actually wanted him to go? lol... yeah talk about value.
The bottom line, with Jordan, 6 championships. Without him, 0.
With Oscar in cincinatti, early playoff exit (if they make the playoffs of course). Without him, 3 less wins.
Strong arguement
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Jordan never made it past the first round without Pippen. Even with an all star like Oakley, Jordan couldn't do it. Not only that, but he NEVER HAD A WINNING RECORD in the nba without Pippen! The GOAT couldn't manage 42 wins?!? 20 year old Lebron managed to do it with similar teammates as Jordan had.
Becuase they played virtually their entire careers together?
Jordan had rule changes made to benefit his game, Wilt had rule changes made to stop his dominance. Jordan was lucky enough to have one of the 50 greatest players ever as a teammate, one of the greatest rebounders and defensive players, one of the greatest coaches ever, on and on... The Bulls TEAM won the championships.
Oh, well if we're going by that: George Mikan > Bill Russel.
And if you say the bulls teams won those rings, but then say "if bird was on a worse team then he was, he'd put 35 a night up", you contradict yourself in the highest form. But I guess thats needed in forming an arguement against Jordan as the best, you have to pick and choose double standards against him, and combine feats from 4 or 5 of the best to even bring a case forward.
Yeah, I meant 1979-1980. Those guys were also on the 78-79 team that had 29 wins, except Pistol Pete - but he wasn't a factor in 79-80 as he only played 26 games with 17 minutes per and then he retired. Cowens and Archibald were past their primes in Bird's rookie year. The 29 win Celtic team also had 8 players scoring double figures. Last year's Knicks had quite a few players averaging in double figures also.
Soft.
That's the first I've heard that one. Numerous articles have been written by Bill Simmons and others talking about how diluted the NBA became after the 80s with all the expansion teams. More teams = less good players available for each team. People like Michael Cooper would be starters on most any NBA team today, but with the great Lakers 80s lineup he was a bench guy.
You could say the exact same thing for Kukoc and BJ armstrong (except for 93 of course). Even last years miami team, you could say Alonzo would be starting on 20 teams in the league right now.
However, the big O was great, but much like Wilt he was a superman among men in his day. Put MJ in the 60's and then guess how the record books might read.........
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At the Michael Cooper reference. Anyone can take a 6th man from a team that played starters minutes and say something like that. Cooper wasn't even very good, so that's not even a good example of that.
This guy obviously has it in for MJ.
