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Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:57 am

The Game wrote:cough*Jordan of the 80's*cough


Not quite the same, not only in production but also even back then Michael Jordan was still more patient offensively. Doug Collins was also the Bulls' coach through most of Jordan's career in the 80s. But in any event, the triangle isn't really suited to such a player, though as we've seen it can work.

What makes you so sure Kobe cant run it? 3 championship with him as the second option says he can and will run it better with him as the number 1 option.


Absolutely nothing. Perhaps I wasn't very clear, but I meant the other players Kobe's teamed with. It's a difficult offense to learn, if Kobe's the only one that really understands it, the offense isn't going to be effective is it?

Who said anything about Kobe falling in love with the triangle? He may like it but not necessarily adore it. As long as he accepts it, then expect Phil to be back coaching the lakers.


As I said in my last post, I was responding to the fact pissedoff claimed that Kobe liked the triangle. I was merely pointing out he hasn't been a great supporter of it in years past, I doubt he really enjoys it as much as the offense Rudy T was running, but can tolerate it if it means success. Like I said, if it succeeds, it succeeds.

And if Phil Jackson comes back, he really has no choice but to accept the triangle. I'd be really surprised to see Jackson return to the Lakers so readily. The organisation must be incredibly arrogant if they expect him to jump at the opportunity to coach just because they ran the triangle a little bit last year and Kobe is willing to at least tolerate it, given how they pushed him out the door last year.
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Postby The Game on Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:13 pm

Not quite the same

Yet in a way still similar eh? :lol:

But in any event, the triangle isn't really suited to such a player, though as we've seen it can work.

Cant argue with that :wink: (Y)

but I meant the other players Kobe's teamed with

The main reason why Phil is yet to be formally announced as the lakers coach is because Phil doesnt want to answer to anyone not named Jerry Buss. If he signs, im assuimng Phil got what he wanted and will therefore have control over the roster.

if Kobe's the only one that really understands it, the offense isn't going to be effective is it?

We can never really say that Kobe will be the only one that understands the triangle. I mean the lakers did win a title in Phil's first year as laker coach.

I'd be really surprised to see Jackson return to the Lakers so readily. The organisation must be incredibly arrogant if they expect him to jump at the opportunity to coach just because they ran the triangle a little bit last year and Kobe is willing to at least tolerate it, given how they pushed him out the door last year.

Phil wants power, he will only answer to Dr. Buss. If he answers to anyone else he wont be back, if he gets what he wants(Full control of the roster) than expect an official laker announcement soon. :wink:

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Andrew Bogut doesnt like Kobe :lol:
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Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:55 pm

The Game wrote:Yet in a way still similar eh? :lol:


There are similarities, no doubt about it. The circumstances are a little different.


The main reason why Phil is yet to be formally announced as the lakers coach is because Phil doesnt want to answer to anyone not named Jerry Buss. If he signs, im assuimng Phil got what he wanted and will therefore have control over the roster.


I'm guessing the reason he's yet to be formally announced as the Lakers' coach is because as far as anyone's aware, he hasn't agreed to take the position, nor has had any serious talks with the organisation about it.

We can never really say that Kobe will be the only one that understands the triangle. I mean the lakers did win a title in Phil's first year as laker coach.


I suppose you're right. After all, as soon as they started running the triangle this year, they started winning and have a great chance to be the 2005 NBA Champions. :P In all seriousness, I think you missed my point. If the Lakers surround Kobe with role players who have the offensive abilities and basketball IQ of Yinka Dare, the triangle isn't going to work.

Phil wants power, he will only answer to Dr. Buss. If he answers to anyone else he wont be back, if he gets what he wants(Full control of the roster) than expect an official laker announcement soon. :wink:


Alright, if you believe it's that simple. I'm just saying, if the Lakers think they can cast aside people or treat them however they want then click their fingers and have them return so to speak, they could be in for a rude shock. We all have our pride.

Interesting read on Bogut, though some of his criticisms of the last Team USA were a bit off the mark; I wouldn't have called that team the true best of the best, and Australia's strategy wasn't that great either, despite what Andrew Gaze would have you believe.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:03 pm

Boguts not even in the league and he criticising players... hes got guts!
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Postby BOSS on Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:08 pm

haha ye
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Postby -BHZMAFIA- on Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:10 pm

I really don't see Bogut being a no.1 pick really, I like Marvin Williams better at number 1
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Postby Andrew on Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:11 pm

Way off topic but I'll post it nevertheless: So many usernames with Cosby references. You know, you could always use references such as Dr Huxtable and Ghost Dad.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:12 pm

But Bogut can contribute straight away!
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Postby beau_boy04 on Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:53 pm

I'd give Lamar Odom and other incentives to have Chris Paul if I were the Lakers owner.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:55 pm

Lamar Odom is a bit too much for Chris Paul.. at least we know what Odom is capable of, Chris has never played in the NBA.. how do we judge him?
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Postby J@3 on Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:09 pm

Add to the fact that there's about 4 or 5 PG's in this draft who could all end up as good as each other. If the Lakers are to trade up for anyone I'd hope it's a big man.
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Postby kinokong on Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:44 pm

but the legitimate big man in the draft seemingly doesn't want to play with kobe judging by the comments that he made...
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Postby Fresh8 on Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:35 pm

Well, maybe Kobe will be the guy he's buying groceries for!
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Postby The Game on Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:23 pm

I'm guessing the reason he's yet to be formally announced as the Lakers' coach is because as far as anyone's aware, he hasn't agreed to take the position, nor has had any serious talks with the organisation about it.

Obviously he hasnt agreed to take position :P
Him not having serious talks with the organization is crap, the knicks have lost hope, Jeannie Buss has given hints and Phil Jackson wants to talk to Kobe... :wink:

In all seriousness, I think you missed my point. If the Lakers surround Kobe with role players who have the offensive abilities and basketball IQ of Yinka Dare, the triangle isn't going to work.

You missed my point too.. Phil is not stupid enough to coach a team that cant run his offense.

Alright, if you believe it's that simple. I'm just saying, if the Lakers think they can cast aside people or treat them however they want then click their fingers and have them return so to speak, they could be in for a rude shock. We all have our pride.

You completely missed my point, i was merely speculating as to what it would take to get Phil back. Oh and for your information, Phil is very interested in coaching the lakers. He wouldnt try and talk to Kobe if he isnt.

I'd give Lamar Odom and other incentives to have Chris Paul if I were the Lakers owner.

I read a rumor that last february the lakers rejected a Stojakovic for Odom deal. What makes you think they'll give him up for Chris Paul? :lol:
Oh and Kupchak is inlove with Felton... :wink:

O and as for Bogut, he should talk to Dwight Howard about how Kobe welcomed him to the league

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Postby furious1 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:05 am

Hahaha Kobe does that to everyone. Remember the welcome he gave LeBron in his rookie year? Or how about dunking on Yao and then shooting a three right in his face.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:52 am

I wanted to know how MJ welcomced Kobe to the NBA...
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Postby Drex on Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:39 pm

Kicking his ass on the ASG...
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:43 pm

So did he score a three point play?
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:58 pm

Bill Cusby wrote:So did he score a three point play?


That's the "Welcome to the big time" play they generally show, the baseline turnaround fadeaway that ended up being a three point play.

Obviously he hasnt agreed to take position
Him not having serious talks with the organization is crap, the knicks have lost hope, Jeannie Buss has given hints and Phil Jackson wants to talk to Kobe...


I hadn't heard it that way, but I don't dispute he hasn't ruled out a return to the Lakers' sideline.

You missed my point too.. Phil is not stupid enough to coach a team that cant run his offense.


Of course not. But I was just talking about the triangle in general. It's not an offense that's going to work with a bunch of stiffs surrounding Kobe. Obviously, if the Lakers are going to run the triangle - with or without Phil - they'd be best served to surround Kobe with suitable players. That's all I was saying.

You completely missed my point, i was merely speculating as to what it would take to get Phil back. Oh and for your information, Phil is very interested in coaching the lakers. He wouldnt try and talk to Kobe if he isnt.


Very interested? Trying to talk to Kobe? The way I read it, it was the other way around with Phil being very open to the possibility, not necessarily pursuing it as the Lakers are with him. But with the amount of information we get about these private discussions and negotiations (or rather how little we truly know), we're all going to see it differently.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:06 pm

Both parties are interested to tlak imo... but noone is willing to take the first step because they dont want to act a fool!
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:13 pm

Leverage is also at stake. If it's the Lakers going after Jackson, he can fetch himself a big contract. The Lakers aren't exactly short of a dollar, but it's simple business. If you can get a coach of Jax's calibre for $5 million per year, do you really want to pay him $10 million per year?
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:28 pm

When:

1) Jax joined the Bulls
2) MJ returned to the Bulls
3) Jax joins the Lakers

have those instances ever had the same sort of 'hope' that Laker fans have when we talk about the team's future? I dunno how to explain but it seems that there is a lot of emphasis saying that if Kobe and Jax rejoin eachother.... everything will be solved...
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:34 pm

You've got your timeline mixed up there. Phil Jackson joined the Bulls in the late 80s as Doug Collins assistant, and was named head coach after Collins' dismissal prior to the 1989/90 season. Michael Jordan retired in 1993, Jackson remained the Bulls' head coach, Jordan returned in 1995 and the two remained with Chicago up until 1998.

It's going to take a bit more than Jax's return to the Lakers to get back to the level they were at a couple of years ago, but it might be a good start. As Jae was saying earlier, it might not be the best option but Jackson's track record speaks for itself.
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Postby Fresh8 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:41 pm

Firstly, i should have clarified when Jax became HC. With MJ returning to Bulls, becuase Jax and the Bulls were mediocre... MJ returning is sort of same effect, or is it?

Yeah, what i'm trying to syai s that many people think this will put everything back together... but then again Jax has always turned teams and steered them forwards... i dont think not many of the times before he did start winning alot did he get this attention...
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Postby beau_boy04 on Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:16 pm

Drex wrote:Kicking his ass on the ASG...


LOL :D
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