Random NBA Discussion 2014-15 Season

[NovU]

You are right. Jennings and Jrue is a pretty good comparison. Both have been red hot in this young season. Let's see if they can sustain their effort.

As for the Blazers, Kaman signing is turning out to be gold. Sprinkle bit of Steve Blake on top, you actually have a dependable bench now. It's nice that Slotts can turn to bench now instead of playing starters 45 minutes per night.

[[Q]]

now we have a bench

Meh. Kaman has been playing well as I thought he would (I picked him in our fantasy league)
Leonard has been a terrible backup in the past but I watched him start for Aldridge vs. the Nets and he hit a few 3s.
Blake is a solid PG but not the offensive threat Mo Williams was.
McCollum? Robinson? Wright? Crabbe? the rest of the bench is pretty useless. Mo was better for the bench than Kaman & Blake are this year.

[NovU]

Mo Williams led bench last season was possibly the worst bench in the league. Kaveman is rock solid, his stats have surged out of nowhere. Blake is providing slightly more than Mo did. This bench actually is respectable. Scott had no choice but to play only the starters last year but he has luxury to go 7-8 man deep now.

[[Q]]

True, the depth will definitely help this year but it will be most obvious in the playoffs.

But they still have a problem with finding ways to score when going to this second unit

[shadowgrin]

"Tim Duncan has more career games and minutes than the entire Sixers roster combined."

Outstanding.

[Mandich]

"Tim Duncan has more career games and minutes than the entire Sixers roster combined."

Outstanding.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kobe has more missed shots than the roster combined.

[XxStunner]

"Tim Duncan has more career games and minutes than the entire Sixers roster combined."

Outstanding.

Wouldn't be surprised if Kobe has more missed shots than the roster combined.

[Spree#8]

People like to hate on Brandon Jennings but he is as good as say, Jrue Holiday. However, Jrue getting the all star nod over him in 2013's weak field of Eastern guards skewed public perception. Both are average starters at best, albeit at the deepest position, and this isn't Jennings' first red hot November.

Jrue is a noticeably better shooter and a much better defender (and that's putting it lightly since Jennings is an awful defender). He can also play off the ball if asked to. So... not really.

Jennings' shooting on the young season is so far above and beyond anything he's ever done to this point that I have serious doubts about him sustaining it. It's still only 11 games.

[NovU]

Same shit. Result depicts so.

This generalization just gets better each day. Wade is a poor shooter, let's say James Jones is a better player, heck he won 3pt contest. Penetration collapses the D, it's a good skill to have, not only for higher percentage shots but as it also opens up the floor. Heck, I also could say stupid things like reason for Jennings's poor shitty shooting with Bucks was because of his useless teammates. Just take a look at the roster. What else could he have done other than chucking bad shots.

Jrue is on par with Jennings, at least telling from what we're given so far. There's just not much ground to believe he's significantly the better of two.

[XxStunner]

Same shit. Result depicts so.

This generalization just gets better each day. Wade is a poor shooter, let's say James Jones is a better player, heck he won 3pt contest. Penetration collapses the D, it's a good skill to have, not only for higher percentage shots but as it also opens up the floor. Heck, I also could say stupid things like reason for Jennings's poor shitty shooting with Bucks was because of his useless teammates. Just take a look at the roster. What else could he have done other than chucking bad shots.

Jrue is on par with Jennings, at least telling from what we're given so far. There's just not much ground to believe he's significantly the better of two.

But D Wade shoots .490 ~~ .510 from the Field, i do agree dat jrue = jennings, but jennings has a POOR FG, he can't even hit 400...

[Spree#8]

Same shit. Result depicts so.

This generalization just gets better each day.[...] Penetration collapses the D, it's a good skill to have, not only for higher percentage shots but as it also opens up the floor. Heck, I also could say stupid things like reason for Jennings's poor shitty shooting with Bucks was because of his useless teammates. Just take a look at the roster. What else could he have done other than chucking bad shots.

Jrue is on par with Jennings, at least telling from what we're given so far. There's just not much ground to believe he's significantly the better of two.

I can already tell where you're going with this and I'm not getting lured into it again. Short response and the only one I'll bother to give: the rosters of those Bucks were never offensive juggernauts but the players there could put enough pressure on the defense to not justify Jennings shooting below 40% from the floor year in and year out. Hell, since the Bogut-Ellis trade Jennings may not even have been their first option anymore.

It's also interesting how you ignored two thirds of my argument and just repeated "Jrue is on par with Jennings" again. Never change, man.

The best part, though, is this:

Wade is a poor shooter, let's say James Jones is a better player, heck he won 3pt contest.

Arguing with what you believe someone said instead of what they actually said appears to be your specialty. Enjoy yourself, I have better things to do with my time than going over all this again. All that will do for me is getting called an idiot with a brain defect once more, because that's what you do when people disagree with you.

[NovU]

I kinda remember arguing this fiction writer that was claiming Jrue > Rondo while inventing all kinds of theories and stories, and that new ast stat of his proving rondo a sucky passer . Not sure was you but...



Both Jennings and Jrue have been average at their best so far in their career. Who cares who's been tiny bitsy better or worse. This probably is the make or break season anyway.

[Spree#8]

I kinda remember arguing this fiction writer that was claiming Jrue > Rondo while inventing all kinds of theories and stories, and that new ast stat of his proving rondo a sucky passer

You have to be doing this on purpose.

I didn't even intend on replying, but since you already brought up Rondo, here's some more "fiction writing" for you before I truly quit bothering you:

Celtics:

2011:

With Rondo (68 games): 106.6 ORtg / 100.9 DRtg 47-21 (.691)
Without Rondo (14 games): 104.1 ORtg / 97.4 DRtg 9-5 (.643)

2012:

With Rondo (53 games): 101.0 ORtg / 98.9 DRtg 31-22 (.585)
Without Rondo (13 games): 101.1 ORtg / 95.5 DRtg 8-5 (.615)

2013:

With Rondo (38 games): 100.9 ORtg / 102.7 DRtg 18-20 (.474)
Without Rondo (43 games): 104.2 ORtg / 104.2 DRtg 23-20 (.535)

2014:

With Rondo (30 games): 103.4 ORtg / 112.2 DRtg 6-24 (.200)
Without Rondo (52 games): 103.1 ORtg / 106.6 DRtg 19-33 (.365)

The amazing floor general, assist king, triple-double machine and great defender whose team almost always happens to play better without him. Probably the most overrated player in the league today - which isn't all that surprising to me, given his nature of shameless stat-whoring. So yeah, I'll take Jrue over him any day of the week.

[JAWSFreelao]

Back to the Blazers: I think they need to get rid of McCollum. He's injury prone, and he hasn't done shit for this team. He can create shots, I will give him that. But a veteran, scoring shooting guard (Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, Randy Foye) who is also a microwave is what this team needs.
As for Allen Crabbe, this kid could develop into a Brandon-Rush-esque role player. 3 and D. Crabbe just needs to get over his nerves and get his shot together.

[Mandich]

shooting guard (Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, Randy Foye) who is also a microwave is what this team needs.

Firstly: ambitious.
Secondly: someone has been playing a lot of 2k.

[JAWSFreelao]

True, true. And yeah it is rather ambitious, but according to ESPN's trade machine: IF we traded Dizzy Wright, Meyers Leonard, and some sort of draft pick for Kevin Martin, Hollinger estimates an increased seven wins.
If we traded Joel Freeland & McCollum for Foye and Darrell Arthur we have an increased 3 wins.
If we traded McCollum and Victor Claver to Memphis for Courtney Lee we have an increased 9 wins.
So yes it's ambitious, but we have pieces to make it happen.

[Mandich]

Fans saying we as if they have a say in what that particular organization does.

You'd be willing to thin up the already thin Blazers rotation for one player ?

No you don't have the pieces to make it happen.

[JAWSFreelao]

Yes, I'd thin up the rotation. And hey, no need to get all defensive just because I said "we." But yeah I'd thin up the rotation, because the Kevin Martin/Randy Foye could make up CJ McCollum and Joel Freeland's numbers on any given night. And we do have the pieces. Look at the Nuggets. A massive f***ing mess right? That means they're going to throw a fire sale, get rid of their current semivalued players in exchange for young talent. I guarantee they'd take CJ McCollum and Will Barton in exchange for Randy and Darrell. So we have the pieces to swap with the Nuggets.
The Timberwolves are a rebuilding team. Kevin Martin is pushing 31, he has no place on this young team. Eventually, they're going to get rid of him. So why not strike while the iron's hot and his value is high? They'd take Thomas Robinson and McCollum too. More young talent.
So I think you underestimate the value our Blazers players have in terms of rebuilding pieces.

[NovU]

I kinda remember arguing this fiction writer that was claiming Jrue > Rondo while inventing all kinds of theories and stories, and that new ast stat of his proving rondo a sucky passer

You have to be doing this on purpose.

I didn't even intend on replying, but since you already brought up Rondo, here's some more "fiction writing" for you before I truly quit bothering you:

Celtics:

2011:

With Rondo (68 games): 106.6 ORtg / 100.9 DRtg 47-21 (.691)
Without Rondo (14 games): 104.1 ORtg / 97.4 DRtg 9-5 (.643)

2012:

With Rondo (53 games): 101.0 ORtg / 98.9 DRtg 31-22 (.585)
Without Rondo (13 games): 101.1 ORtg / 95.5 DRtg 8-5 (.615)

2013:

With Rondo (38 games): 100.9 ORtg / 102.7 DRtg 18-20 (.474)
Without Rondo (43 games): 104.2 ORtg / 104.2 DRtg 23-20 (.535)

2014:

With Rondo (30 games): 103.4 ORtg / 112.2 DRtg 6-24 (.200)
Without Rondo (52 games): 103.1 ORtg / 106.6 DRtg 19-33 (.365)

The amazing floor general, assist king, triple-double machine and great defender whose team almost always happens to play better without him. Probably the most overrated player in the league today - which isn't all that surprising to me, given his nature of shameless stat-whoring. So yeah, I'll take Jrue over him any day of the week.

Interestingly, Kobe suffers a same ill fate in a similar win/loss stat column. But saying you'd take Jrue over Rondo is similar to saying Tyreke over Kobe any day of the week. It's silly.

You also forgot to mention his best seasons were from 07 to 10 when the Celtics were clearly at their peak. His contribution to the team success is not for discussion but a fact. Just as a sample, his ORtg during the period was avg 108 on a defense oriented team. iirc, Jrue made allstar team with 101 or 102, then it sunk to shitty 9x near season end. There you have your allstar.

Rondo in last two seasons was irrelevant as we all know he was injured most of time, played injured. But if that is what makes up your argument, so be it. From 12-13 season, he barely played 1/3 seasons.

Also for the stats, why don't you stick to your usual 82games.com.
10-11 season: (Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. / Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.)
With Rondo: 111.0 / 101.5 (2525 minutes)
Without: 102.2 / 100.1 (1430 minutes)
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11-12 season: (Offense: Pts per 100 Poss. / Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.)
With Rondo: 105.2 / 97.3 (1958 minutes)
Without: 100.2 / 98.1 (1229 minutes)
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Basically the team went from being good without Rondo to frigging-awesome with Rondo.


And NO, I hate this Rondo guy. I am one of those guys who claimed he was detrimental to the team with his offcourt issues, took side of Ray and Doc, just ask Sauru. But I call spade a spade. On-Court Rondo is a good guy for the team and a bad guy for the opponent.

Again, Jennings vs Jrue is more appropriate at this stage. It's dumb to say otherwise.

[NovU]

Thoughts on tonight's games.

1) Awful shooting night by Brandon Knight, 5 for 20 is inexcusable, especially that missed wide open lay up to end the game in 2nd OT . Nonetheless they won the game. Must be a feel good victory for Jason Kidd against the his, former Nets squad. Also Jabari vs Bogdanovic was a nice rookie battle.

2) As for the Raptors beating the Grizzlies, just wow. This was a battle between best teams from each conference. Great win for the Raptors, Canadian team beating former Canadian team. Nice indeed.

3) The Cavaliers suffer yet another loss. LBJ still can't beat the true champion with his new squad. Sad. I mean Irving > Wade, right?

[Andrew]

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Ouch.

[JAWSFreelao]

Knight had an EASY finish there. Poor kid. But in terms of picking Jrue over Rondo, based on their current values.. I'd be inclined to pick Rondo. Rondo can do it all on a shitty ass Celtics team; just imagine what the offense would look like if he had some real targets to swing to.
Another note: How about The Greek Freak tonight? 18 and 11, great numbers.

[deihatein]

Cuban is an idiot for letting Chandler walk in the first place but damn having him back in a Mavs uniform like he never left. Wright has been awesome as well. Lobs everywhere!

[Kevin]

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Ouch.

idiot.

[JAWSFreelao]

That basically sums up Brandon Knight's career. He's like a miniature Javale McGee.