Kidd (finally) traded to Dallas

[Andrew]

Unless Van Horn is mulling playing again it'll probably be exactly the same situation where he just collects a paycheque at the veteran minimum. It almost seems like something that should be against the rules, not to mention a strategy that's put to good use in NBA Live.

[jonthefon]

Just don't make the FREAKING TRADE. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Tony Parker and Baron Davis are all licking their chops at this proposal.

[chrisnu]

If the trade goes through, that leaves the undersized Brandon Bass playing a lot of center. Or Juwan Howard. Hassell hasn't been given much of an opportunity in Dallas. If Antoine Wright is still sent to Dallas, as was reported with the initial trade scenario, he may get some playing time with the Nets.

[Andrew]

Just don't make the FREAKING TRADE. Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Tony Parker and Baron Davis are all licking their chops at this proposal.

If they are, they're underestimating him a bit. Kidd may be on the downside of his career but he's not exactly plodding around like Shaq or doing very little on the court at two rebounds short of a triple double on the year.

[[Q]]

what wouldve happened for the all-star game if the initial trade had gone through?

[shadowgrin]

Jerry Stackhouse, whose mouth also put the first deal in jeopardy

When his contract is over, I wonder if anyone is willing to sign George since he's such an ass.

[Andrew]

what wouldve happened for the all-star game if the initial trade had gone through?

I suppose they would have named a replacement, unless it was far too late. If it was too late, they'd probably have him either sit or out or just let him play for the East since he was selected as a representative of the Nets in the first place. It certainly would have been an odd situation.

When his contract is over, I wonder if anyone is willing to sign George since he's such an ass.

Probably, but not for big bucks. That's the funny thing about his stance, he's blocking the trade to protect his Early Bird rights for a bigger payday but his actions are probably going to hurt his chances of that anyway.

[benji]

If they are, they're underestimating him a bit. Kidd may be on the downside of his career but he's not exactly plodding around like Shaq or doing very little on the court at two rebounds short of a triple double on the year.

Yeah, that's nice and all, but he's doing very little that wins basketball games. Unless missing shots and turning it over wins basketball games.

[shadowgrin]

^^ The league does have the power to delay the approval of a trade.
If it was delayed until the end of the ASG, Kidd would still play in the game in the conference he was chosen in.

[Scrazynet]

YOu don´t want van horn on the nets... he got paid 14 million two seasons ago.

he has no heart, no bball desiring, if Nesterovic had the same koncak van horn had, he would have retired after done with the spurs....

Van horn to me is like a shawn bradley young bro.

[J@3]

YOu don´t want van horn on the nets... he got paid 14 million two seasons ago.

he has no heart, no bball desiring, if Nesterovic had the same koncak van horn had, he would have retired after done with the spurs....

Van horn to me is like a shawn bradley young bro.

Wtf?

[Andrew]

YOu don´t want van horn on the nets... he got paid 14 million two seasons ago.

he has no heart, no bball desiring, if Nesterovic had the same koncak van horn had, he would have retired after done with the spurs....

Van horn to me is like a shawn bradley young bro.

He's not going to be paid $14 million now though. He'll be a sign-and-trade throw in to make the deal work under the salary cap and will probably never play another minute in the league. He's only in the discussion for financial reasons.

[Lamrock]

What is a "koncak"?

[Andrew]

Either a contract, or...

[Scrazynet]

What is a "koncak"?

Jon Francis Koncak (born May 17, 1963 in Cedar Rapids, Iowa) is an American former professional basketball player. A 7'0" center from Southern Methodist University, Koncak was selected with the 5th pick in the 1985 NBA Draft by the Atlanta Hawks. Koncak spent ten seasons with the Hawks (1985-1995), mainly in a reserve role, then concluded his career with the Orlando Magic. He retired in 1996 with career totals of 3,520 points and 3,856 rebounds.

Though a reliable defender and fan-favorite for much of his career, Koncak is perhaps best remembered for the six-year, US$ 13 million contract he received from the Hawks in 1989 - an unprecedented total for a reserve. The deal was roundly criticized since it paid Koncak more than Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. His large contract prevented the Hawks from taking part in any other major free agent signings for several years. As a result, he earned the derisive nickname "Jon Contract", and many sports anchors continue to use Koncak's name in place of the word "contract" ("The Seattle Supersonics signed Jim McIlvaine to a $35 million, 5-year Koncak today...") when reporting what appears to be an excessively large signing. Koncak is blamed for the rapid salary increases that occurred in the NBA following his signing [1].

[Scrazynet]

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He's not going to be paid $14 million now though. He'll be a sign-and-trade throw in to make the deal work under the salary cap and will probably never play another minute in the league. He's only in the discussion for financial reasons.[/quote]

I´m aware of it. I just don´t like him ......

[Andrew]

It doesn't really matter to the Nets though. He wouldn't be going there to play, he'd only be making the deal work and providing cap relief when his deal comes off the books this offseason.

[shadowgrin]

Koncak is blamed for the rapid salary increases that occurred in the NBA following his signing

I thought it was Larry Bird, which resulted in having the term "Bird Rights".
Then Michael Jordan with his $30,000,000 season/s.

[NNpF]

If they are, they're underestimating him a bit. Kidd may be on the downside of his career but he's not exactly plodding around like Shaq or doing very little on the court at two rebounds short of a triple double on the year.

Yeah, that's nice and all, but he's doing very little that wins basketball games. Unless missing shots and turning it over wins basketball games.

He's been missing shots his entire career. And Steve Nash, Jason Kidd and Deron Williams are all nearly top the league in turnovers, it happens when you handle the ball as much as they do, it doesn't make them horrible all of a sudden.

Devin Harris hasn't been forced to run a team yet, if the trade goes through then you can start comparing his turnovers and what not to Kidd's.

[Scrazynet]

It doesn't really matter to the Nets though. He wouldn't be going there to play, he'd only be making the deal work and providing cap relief when his deal comes off the books this offseason.

Sadly he is coming back to play...

"On Saturday, Joel Litvin, the NBA’s president of league and basketball operations, made it clear that a player out of the league and included in a trade must have genuine intentions of resuming his career.

That likely won’t be a problem. The source said Van Horn, who has not played since the 2005-06 season with the Mavs, will make $4 million in the deal to meet salary requirements, incentive enough to report to another of his former teams, the Nets, take a physical and likely assume a roster spot."

Here´s the source: http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/479339.html

that´s what happens for not supporting me on the trash talk )))

Now he got an extra 4 million for doing nothing... un*****INGbelievable.

I hate van horn.

[Andrew]

Aaron McKie is still yet to play for the Grizzlies. Even if Van Horn "intends" to play, it doesn't mean that he'll actually see action with the Nets. He'll need to report and take a physical but from there he can sit, which does little harm to New Jersey.

[J@3]

What part of that says he's going to play? It says he's going to take a physical and assume a roster spot, Aaron McKie did the same thing in the Gasol trade.

[Scrazynet]

hmmm, you guys have a point.

[benji]

He's been missing shots his entire career. And Steve Nash, Jason Kidd and Deron Williams are all nearly top the league in turnovers, it happens when you handle the ball as much as they do, it doesn't make them horrible all of a sudden.

Devin Harris hasn't been forced to run a team yet, if the trade goes through then you can start comparing his turnovers and what not to Kidd's.

I really hate to have to repeat things I've already said in the thread. So I'll add more this time.

Jason Kidd turns it over on 23.6% of his possessions. Steve Nash on 22.3%, Deron Williams on 18.0% and Devin Harris on 16.4%. The biggest difference though, is that Kidd shoots 48%, Nash shoots 64%, Williams shoots 60% and Harris shoots 59%.

As a result, Kidd's ORtg is 100, Nash's is 119, Harris' is 115 and Williams' is 116. Kidd hurts your team when he plays like this, the other three guys don't.

[NNpF]

He's been missing shots his entire career. And Steve Nash, Jason Kidd and Deron Williams are all nearly top the league in turnovers, it happens when you handle the ball as much as they do, it doesn't make them horrible all of a sudden.

Devin Harris hasn't been forced to run a team yet, if the trade goes through then you can start comparing his turnovers and what not to Kidd's.

I really hate to have to repeat things I've already said in the thread. So I'll add more this time.

Jason Kidd turns it over on 23.6% of his possessions. Steve Nash on 22.3%, Deron Williams on 18.0% and Devin Harris on 16.4%. The biggest difference though, is that Kidd shoots 48%, Nash shoots 64%, Williams shoots 60% and Harris shoots 59%.

As a result, Kidd's ORtg is 100, Nash's is 119, Harris' is 115 and Williams' is 116. Kidd hurts your team when he plays like this, the other three guys don't.

I read your previous posts.

You can throw all the stats in the world into this thread, none of them show Kidd has to do a lot more for his team than Harris in order for them to be successful. Shooting percentages aside, I brought up Williams and Nash to show that even though they are fantastic passers and ball handlers they are still tops in the league in turnovers because they handle the ball and are forced to make more plays for their teams than Harris.

Until Harris is put in the position of Kidd, which he most likely soon will be, that is when you can start comparing them more fairly. Kidd has been a terrible shooter his entire career, that's not what makes him special.

I know you're a huge stats guy so I'm not going to tell you that stats don't always tell the whole story when you can watch every game a player plays.

I agree that I think Dallas is giving up too much in this trade, but certainly not because Harris is a better point guard than Kidd, but because of the age. Harris is already a very good player and has many good years ahead of him while we don't know how much years Kidd has left in him.

What I'm basically trying to say is, your stats are showing he's a horrible shooter, everyone knows that. That's not where he makes his money.