It's Over..Don't even try ...Kobe MVP

by **Boyk** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 12:49 am

hotshot_963 wrote:
Laddas_KB8 wrote:well i kinda stupid now saying ithink KG will get it, after seeing KG get shutdown by mark madsen.......its hard to say now lol
but i 'd say the top 5 candidates are Kobe,KG,T-Mac,Shaq,Duncan

U seriously think that Shaq could be named MVP this year? Sheesh...

hmmmmmmm let me think about that.........yes!
he should be mentioned in the top 5 every year. most dominant and unstoppable player in the league.

YouTube · by **mp3** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:58 am

U seriously think that Shaq could be named MVP this year? Sheesh...

?????????????

name 5 players that can stop shaq

no wait name 3!

i can only think of 1, ben wallace on a very good day
in the last meeting shaq had 35 pts and 14 reb
i think anyone who puts up numbers like that against big ben should get some credit for mvp

by **Rens** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:31 am

I could name a hundred players that can guard Shaq, and more.

YouTube · by **mp3** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 3:54 am

I could name a hundred players that can guard Shaq, and more.

like??

by **Rens** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:16 am

mp3 wrote:
I could name a hundred players that can guard Shaq, and more.

like??

Abdul-Wahad, Tariq
Abdur-Rahim, Shareef
Alexander, Courtney
Allen, Malik
Allen, Ray
Alston, Rafer
Amaechi, John
Andersen, Chris
Anderson, Derek
Anderson, Kenny
Anderson, Shandon
Archibald, Robert
Arenas, Gilbert
Armstrong, Brandon
Armstrong, Darrell
Arroyo, Carlos
Artest, Ron
Atkins, Chucky
Augmon, Stacey
Bagaric, Dalibor
Baker, Vin
Barry, Brent
Barry, Jon
Baston, Maceo
Bateer, Mengke
Batiste, Mike
Battie, Tony
Battier, Shane
Baxter, Lonny
Bell, Raja
Bender, Jonathan
Best, Travis
Bibby, Mike
Billups, Chauncey
Blount, Corie
Blount, Mark
Booth, Calvin
Boozer, Carlos
Borchardt, Curtis
Boumtje-Boumtje, Ruben
Bowen, Bruce
Bowen, Ryan
Boykins, Earl
Bradley, Michael
Bradley, Shawn
Brand, Elton
Brandon, Terrell
Bremer, J.R.
Brewer, Jamison
Brezec, Primoz
Brown, Kedrick
Brown, Kwame
Brown, P.J.
Brown, Randy
Brown, Tierre
Brunson, Rick
Bryant, Kobe
Bryant, Mark
Buckner, Greg
Burke, Pat
Butler, Caron
Butler, Rasual
Caffey, Jason
Camby, Marcus
Campbell, Elden
Carter, Anthony
Carter, Vince
Cassell, Sam
Cato, Kelvin
Chandler, Tyson
Cheaney, Calbert
Childs, Chris
Christie, Doug
Clancy, Sam
Clark, Keon
Claxton, Speedy
Cleaves, Mateen
Coleman, Derrick
Coles, Bimbo
Collier, Jason
Collins, Jarron
Collins, Jason
Crawford, Chris
Crawford, Jamal
Croshere, Austin
Curry, Eddy
Curry, Michael
Dalembert, Samuel
Dampier, Erick
Daniels, Antonio
Davis, Antonio
Davis, Baron
Davis, Dale
Davis, Emanual
Davis, Hubert
Davis, Ricky
DeClercq, Andrew
Delk, Tony
Dickau, Dan
Dickerson, Michael
Diop, DeSagana
Divac, Vlade
Dixon, Juan
Doleac, Michael
Dooling, Keyon
Drew, Bryce
Drobnjak, Predrag
Dudley, Chris
Duncan, Tim
Dunleavy Jr., Mike
Eisley, Howard
Ellis, LaPhonso
Ely, Melvin
Eschmeyer, Evan
Evans, Reggie
Feick, Jamie
Ferry, Danny
Finley, Michael
Fisher, Derek
Fizer, Marcus
Ford, Alton
Forte, Joseph
Fortson, Danny
Foster, Jeff
Fowlkes, Tremaine
Fox, Rick
Foyle, Adonal
Francis, Steve
Funderburke, Lawrence

I could go on...

YouTube · by **mp3** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:38 am

oh yer.........
if shaq plays 1 vs 100 is that what you meant???
yer that would work......
i meant who could STOP shaq! not guard him

Darrell,Armstrong???
Bryce,Drew???
Earl,Boykins??????????? what r u smoking?

by **Rens** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:45 am

No I meant one-on-one. Why can't those players guard Shaq?

YouTube · by **mp3** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:13 am

shaq is just 2 big and 2 strong for any nba player to handle one on one.
i think the key to stopping the lakers is to shut down the role players, contain kobe and throw as many double and triple teams at shaq as you can :wink:

by **Clinton** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:48 am

Guarding a player and stopping a player are two totally different things. All of those guys you mentioned Dan could guard Shaq, but none of them have a chance of stopping him.

by **Wall St. Peon** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:42 pm

He may have meant true one on one...the little guys and the athletic guys would kill Shaq because they're quicker than him and have range, plus they'd probably be able to steal the ball... :roll:

Shaq would have to get the ball within his range in order to do anything in that situation...

by **Boyk** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:26 pm

Enahs Live wrote:He may have meant true one on one...the little guys and the athletic guys would kill Shaq because they're quicker than him and have range, plus they'd probably be able to steal the ball...

Shaq would have to get the ball within his range in order to do anything in that situation...

no they still wouldnt, maybe the taller better defender guards eg. t-mac,kobe,artest etc. but the rest would not have a chnace in one-on-one, he'd just post up and back his way all the way down to the key, and BLAM!

he'd over power them still

by **Clinton** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:57 pm

the little guys and the athletic guys would kill Shaq because they're quicker than him and have range, plus they'd probably be able to steal the ball...

Umm, no they wouldn't. Shaq parks himself on either side of the lane and waits for the entry pass. Once he gets it, NOONE will stop him. The big guys have shown they can't do it, and no coach is stupid enough to put a guard or small forward on him. They can't stop him from posting up, and they can't stop him once he is posted up. The "little guys and athletic guys" would be killed by Shaq. What does range have to do with guarding someone?

by **Chris Ma** on Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:25 pm

Clinton wrote:Guarding a player and stopping a player are two totally different things.

i agree that this is what Dan Gadzuric means!

as for the mvp thing, some times ago i said kobe will definitely win it, but well, KG seems to be an alien after the all star break
i think it would be very interesting before the announcement of MVP cos no one could guarantee who would be the MVP!

by **Wall St. Peon** on Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:11 am

no they still wouldnt, maybe the taller better defender guards eg. t-mac,kobe,artest etc. but the rest would not have a chnace in one-on-one, he'd just post up and back his way all the way down to the key, and BLAM!

he'd over power them still

Would he be able to stop them? He has to come out and check the ball, and if he just backed into the lane they'd get a wide open shot...they would have more of a chance to stop him than he them because the ball gets checked behind the three point line...Shaq crossing over a guard with quick hands? I'd like to see it...

Clinton wrote:Umm, no they wouldn't. Shaq parks himself on either side of the lane and waits for the entry pass. Once he gets it, NOONE will stop him. The big guys have shown they can't do it, and no coach is stupid enough to put a guard or small forward on him. They can't stop him from posting up, and they can't stop him once he is posted up. The "little guys and athletic guys" would be killed by Shaq. What does range have to do with guarding someone?

Quote the rest of my post...TRUE ONE ON ONE...ie no one else on the team...so he wouldn't get an entry pass. Read before you reply...

by **magius** on Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:57 am

im just wondering what makes payton such a good leader??

you dont guard shaq... you make him work on defense. Probably tim duncan is the closest thing to even hoping of dimnishing him or tiring him.

for that matter, why dont the lakers just dump it into shaqs hand EVERY possession?? who needs kobe? whenever shaq has his hands on the ball good things happen, defenses swarm, holes open up, passing lanes are free. It really defeats me why they just dont throw it into him 100% of the time. ben wallace cant guard shaq for squat, he's 6'9 for gods sake. Olajuwan was the only one who could do it - but then shaq got fat and was too much to handle. Who knows though, maybe olajuwan could've guarded present day shaq when olajuwan was in his prime. We'll never know.

by **Clinton** on Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:11 pm

Why bother talking about them playing one on one. it's not going to happen. I thought he was talking man on man defense.
Even if we are talking about a one on one game, it would be pretty easy to score on Shaq because he doesn't like to leave the key, but he is going to score on them just as easy. Shaq has enough dribbling skills to drive from the perimeter.

by **Wall St. Peon** on Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:20 pm

Clinton wrote:Why bother talking about them playing one on one. it's not going to happen. I thought he was talking man on man defense.
Even if we are talking about a one on one game, it would be pretty easy to score on Shaq because he doesn't like to leave the key, but he is going to score on them just as easy. Shaq has enough dribbling skills to drive from the perimeter.

Again...read the rest of my post....that's how Dan's list of players who can guard Shaq could be interpretted...because it'd be a lot easier for them to guard Shaq than it would be for Shaq to guard them simply because their ranged play....but...since thinking outside of the box is discouraged here, I'll just leave my insight at home and just agree with EVERYTHING you say....

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:36 pm

for that matter, why dont the lakers just dump it into shaqs hand EVERY possession??

Because if they did the same thing every possession, the defense would wise up to it and could position a player to intercept the pass before it got to Shaq. Also, Shaq doesn't play 48 minutes a game, they need to have other options and other plans.

by **Rens** on Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:08 pm

lol, I just meant they can guard him...

by **Drex** on Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:21 am

who needs kobe?

the lakers, and shaq. Kobe is in the Lakers for his ability to attack the basket, and if Shaq gets double-teamed, Kobe cut to the rim and Shaq pass him the ball, and Kobe finish with a dunk, layup, etc.

for that matter, why dont the lakers just dump it into shaqs hand EVERY possession??

because the other team could put 2 defenders on shaq, and kobe gets angry

by **Wall St. Peon** on Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:46 am

Dan-o wrote:lol, I just meant they can guard him...

Can't a guy be a smartass anymore?

Apparently not... :roll:

by **Boyk** on Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:50 am

lol, sum of these replies are fucked :roll:

sorry for the language but c'mon people, im sure yous are smarter tahn that!
geez!
there really quite stupid! and annoying

by **Rens** on Wed Mar 12, 2003 4:58 am

Enahs Live wrote:
Dan-o wrote:lol, I just meant they can guard him...

Can't a guy be a smartass anymore? Apparently not...

I guess not.. though you calling me Dan-o is quite smartass

I hope you're not assuming I'm the retro-patching-god, in that case you'd be wrong

by **Wall St. Peon** on Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:24 am

sorry for the language but c'mon people, im sure yous are smarter tahn that!
geez!
there really quite stupid! and annoying

Yeah...you say that 'there' really quite stupid and annoying....using the wrong form of there and making yourself look stupid...

If my post was annoying and stupid, then the majority of the posts on this board are mentally retarded....

by **Boyk** on Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:10 pm

Enahs Live wrote:
sorry for the language but c'mon people, im sure yous are smarter tahn that!
geez!
there really quite stupid! and annoying

Yeah...you say that 'there' really quite stupid and annoying....using the wrong form of there and making yourself look stupid...

If my post was annoying and stupid, then the majority of the posts on this board are mentally retarded....

Did i specifically point out thats yours were the annoying and stupid ones??? no i didnt, so why make up shit like dat lol.
and if you wanna be like that, then one of your comments was definatley annoying, when you said who needs Kobe.........ummm i think every team would like ot have a player like that on there team.

Why you gotta start crap like that??

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