All-Time Best Player

by **sdot_thadon** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:57 am

I agree. Where do you think he sits all-time right now though?

by **Matthew** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:08 pm

Good question. He's top 20.. Actually, I might do my top 20 right now.

1. Jordan
2. Magic
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Shaq
6. Kareem
7.Wilt
8. Tim Duncan
9. Hakeem
10. West
11. Malone
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Rick Barry
15. George Mikan
16. Scottie Pippen
17. Kobe Bryant
18. Isiah Thomas
19. Bob Cousy
20. Charles Barkley

Whats yours?

by **sdot_thadon** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:19 pm

1.Jordan
2.Hakeem
3.Magic
4.Bird
5.Shaq
6.Oscar Robertson
7.Wilt
8.Kareem
9.West
10.Karl Malone
11.Barkley
12.Baylor
13.Pippen
14.Stockton
15.Thomas
16.Moses
17.Pistol Pete
18.Cousy
19.Kobe(will retire higher than this)
20.Dr.J

by **Matthew** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:22 pm

Hakeem at 2?! Cousy at 18 and no signs of Bill Russel in your list? Pistol Pete at 17? Thats a disgusting list.

by **sdot_thadon** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:45 pm

damn, did forget russell, he should have went behind wilt. but hakeem in his prime was almost as unstopable as mj and a defensive force too. what about cousy?

by **The Show** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:57 pm

I'm not the type to ramble on and on about something that hasn't happened, especially about something as sacred as greatest of all time. So I'll put the LeBron talk to rest. But I will say this. Everybody can recognize greatness and I noticed their was something special about him the night he touched an NBA court. One day I'll tell you I told you so. 8-)

by **sdot_thadon** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 2:04 pm

No doubt, it's just a matter of where he'll place all-time, not if. But I won't put him in yet because he only has a few years under his belt and he's only 21. He'll be there though, probably top 5.

by **Amphatoast** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:01 pm

Matthew wrote:Absolutely, and I dont think anyone in their right mind can actually place Kobe ahead of Jordan just yet. But its a good comparison, becuase quite frankly, I have kobe at the number 2 shooting guard ever right now behind only Jordan.

your list doesn't reflect that, wasn't' oscar robinson and west a SG?

by **Matthew** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:05 pm

I rate Oscar as a pg.

by **The X** on Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:46 pm

I honestly find it hard to rate the top player, even at their respective positions....so I've just put down 3 of top players at their respective positions....I'm sure I'm forgotten or left out some great players, but yeah, here it is:

Top C's:
Russell, Wilt, Shaq

Top PF's:
Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Top SF's:
Bird, Baylor, Havlicek

Top SG's:
Jordan, West, Bryant

Top PG's:
Magic, Robertson, Thomas

by **Matthew** on Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:54 am

Hondo ahead of Pippen? Thats pretty bad.

by **The X** on Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:26 pm

Matthew wrote:Hondo ahead of Pippen? Thats pretty bad.

it was a flip up between Hondo, Dr. J & Dominique who all slightly edged out Pippen....I love Pip & all, definitely more than MJ, I just wasn't willing to put him ahead of the others....& besides, I just felt like having Hondo in the list....

EDIT: Forgot about Rick Barry who should probably be ahead of Pip too....it's really all personal preference....I haven't taken a long, hard look at their careers so it was a quick 2 minute job....

by **Air Zoom Kobe I** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:16 am

The X wrote:Top C's:
Russell, Wilt, Shaq

Top PF's:
Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Hakeem isn't On the list?

:roll:

Karl Malone.

by **Jugs** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:53 am

Fuck up you homer.

by **23 LeBron** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:06 am

D.J. Mbenga

Jordan, without doubt.

by **The X** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:50 am

clutchcity wrote:
The X wrote:Top C's:
Russell, Wilt, Shaq

Top PF's:
Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Hakeem isn't On the list?

Karl Malone.

he's a top 5 centre....behind Abdul-Jabbar/Alcindor....

as for Malone, 2nd best PF of all-time is fair....you have to remember that until recently, the PF position was a rebounding & defensive role player position....the only real PF's of note in the early years were Bob Pettit & well, Bob Pettit....often you'd have guys like Unseld & Cowens who would be PF's today, but they were classed as C's back in their day....McHale gets honorable mention....but yeah, the list will change with all the multi-talented big men coming through....

by **Air Zoom Kobe I** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:15 am

The X wrote:
clutchcity wrote:
The X wrote:Top C's:
Russell, Wilt, Shaq

Top PF's:
Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Hakeem isn't On the list?

Karl Malone.

he's a top 5 centre....behind Abdul-Jabbar/Alcindor....

as for Malone, 2nd best PF of all-time is fair....you have to remember that until recently, the PF position was a rebounding & defensive role player position....the only real PF's of note in the early years were Bob Pettit & well, Bob Pettit....often you'd have guys like Unseld & Cowens who would be PF's today, but they were classed as C's back in their day....McHale gets honorable mention....but yeah, the list will change with all the multi-talented big men coming through....

Im Saying It SHould BE more like

PF-Duncan, Bird, Barkley

by **The X** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:48 am

clutchcity wrote:
The X wrote:
clutchcity wrote:
The X wrote:Top C's:
Russell, Wilt, Shaq

Top PF's:
Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Hakeem isn't On the list?

Karl Malone.

he's a top 5 centre....behind Abdul-Jabbar/Alcindor....

as for Malone, 2nd best PF of all-time is fair....you have to remember that until recently, the PF position was a rebounding & defensive role player position....the only real PF's of note in the early years were Bob Pettit & well, Bob Pettit....often you'd have guys like Unseld & Cowens who would be PF's today, but they were classed as C's back in their day....McHale gets honorable mention....but yeah, the list will change with all the multi-talented big men coming through....

Im Saying It SHould BE more like

PF-Duncan, Bird, Barkley

I got Bird as No. 1 SF....I think of Bird more as a SF than PF....

by **Air Zoom Kobe I** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:52 am

The X wrote:
clutchcity wrote:
The X wrote:
clutchcity wrote:
The X wrote:Top C's:
Russell, Wilt, Shaq

Top PF's:
Duncan, Malone, Barkley

Hakeem isn't On the list?

Karl Malone.

he's a top 5 centre....behind Abdul-Jabbar/Alcindor....

as for Malone, 2nd best PF of all-time is fair....you have to remember that until recently, the PF position was a rebounding & defensive role player position....the only real PF's of note in the early years were Bob Pettit & well, Bob Pettit....often you'd have guys like Unseld & Cowens who would be PF's today, but they were classed as C's back in their day....McHale gets honorable mention....but yeah, the list will change with all the multi-talented big men coming through....

Im Saying It SHould BE more like

PF-Duncan, Bird, Barkley

I got Bird as No. 1 SF....I think of Bird more as a SF than PF....

What?

He's More of a Power Forward because he was too BIG to go up against 3's and he had normally played the 4 so thats why I said that.

EDIT: He was too BIG. my fault

by **sdot_thadon** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:31 pm

What?

He's More of a Power Forward because he was too small to go up against 3's and he had normally played the 4 so thats why I said that.

Nah, Bird was a 3, he was 6'9 220 lbs. He was capable of guarding some powerforwards, but his money position was small forward. Mchale was the Celtics' powerforward for most of their run. That team was versatile and interchangable.

by **---** on Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:56 pm

He's More of a Power Forward because he was too small to go up against 3's and he had normally played the 4 so thats why I said that.

Too small to play SF so he played PF instead??? Wheres the logic in that?

by **Air Zoom Kobe I** on Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:15 am

sdot_thadon wrote:
What?

He's More of a Power Forward because he was too small to go up against 3's and he had normally played the 4 so thats why I said that.

Nah, Bird was a 3, he was 6'10 220 lbs. He was capable of guarding some powerforwards, but his money position was small forward. Mchale was the Celtics' powerforward for most of their run. That team was versatile and interchangable.

Lol

So by saying this, you can just automatically put Dirk at the 3, Diop at 4 and Dampier at 5? Hell nah.
Dirk's money position is 3 and his actual position is 4. I don't see why. Duncan can back him down 24/7 around the clock in the paint.

I said that because, say if u use a team that has a small forward at hmmm 6'6. Are you going to put someone 6'9, 6'10 (a la Bird, Dirk, KG) up against them when you have an aging frontcourt? I don't think so.

O YEA I MEANT TOO BIG

I GOTTA EDIT MY POST

SRY YALL

by **sdot_thadon** on Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:12 am

Bird had rivalries in the east with: Bernard King, Dr. J, Nique,ect. ,all smallforwards.

by **jfs** on Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:49 am

Jordan = overrated

1983-84 Bulls before Jordan = 27-55
1984-85 Bulls with Jordan = 38-44

1992-1993 Bulls with Jordan = 57-25
1993-1994 Bulls without Jordan = 55-27

1978-1979 Celtics before Bird = 29-53
1980-1981 Celtics with Bird = 62-20

1987-1988 Celtics with Bird = 57-25
1988-1989 Bird only plays 6 games, but they still have hall of famers = 42-40

Magic Johnson had similar impacted for his teams as Bird. Magic and Bird were by far better shooters, passers, rebounders and easily made everyone on the floor better. All Jordan has got is that he was faster and shot the ball more. If Bird didn't have all those hall of famers to pass to then he would have averaged 35 a night. If there had only been Bird or Magic and not both of them, then either of them would have won more championships. Jordan's last championships were against lower competition. Take guys like Pippen away from Jordan and you are looking at his career being more like Dominique Wilkins or Clyde Drexler.

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 30 pts and 23 rebounds for his entire career! He's a 7'1" guy who led the league in assists! He averaged 50 pts in one season!

Oscar Robertson averaged 26 pts, 7.5 reb, 9.5 assists for his entire career! His second year in the league: 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists per game!

Then there is Kareem - his accomplishments are just mind boggling. Jordan is 6th best ever at most. Oh, don't forget Bill Russell. Jordan is 7th best ever - MAYBE.

by **Matthew** on Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:08 am

Lol, you idiot jfs. You say how "if bird didnt have hall of famers, he would have scored 35 a night", then you talk about team records like its the be all and end all in the discussion.

But seeing you want to compare team accomplishments:
Chicago 6 championships with Jordan
Chicago 0 without him

Washington (despite losing their best 3 players) a 15 + win turnaround with MJ at the age of 39.

How did Magics comeback impact the 95-96 lakers exactly?

Oscar Robertson is the most overated chump in the history of basketball. For someone to be "so good", to only have one ring becuase he piggy backed Kareem is a joke. Hey I can go average a triple double in a local competition, maybe I'm the greatest.

The reason MJ isnt Dominique or Clyde is he took that away from them. They had their chances, but MJ was far too good. You can say Mike had pippen, well Kareem had Magic. Russell had Cousy. Wilt had West and Baylor. Oscar had Kareem. Bird had Mchale, Parrish and DJ.

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