The age old Question: LeBron vs Kobe.

[imefimef]

The same "criticism" can be said about LeBron's FT shooting.

Are you special? That was the point i was trying to make was you can't say one player is more dedicated than the other, didn't you at least detect the hint of sarcasm in my text? In an argument were i say "you can't say one is more dedicated" than another i end it with "Obviously LeBron is dedicated than he is". Yeesh.

No one jumped ship. No one sailed with the ship in the beginning anyway.

I meant did the LeBron fans jump ship.

Two things. Those who are willing to discuss such a comparison have either:
1) Made up their own opinion and have such preference for one player or the other, despite stats or no stats. Their personal reason is justification enough. Nothing wrong with that imo, unless one crosses that line of being an annoying fanboi.

This is from the first page.

We all have rights to our opinions and i can't knock you for yours, but i'm not really asking for opinions

2) This kind of discussion has been done to death in the NLSC, or any basketball forum for that matter.
Especially with the limiting conditions you set forth in your thread. Comparing an 'older' player to a 26 year old freak of nature that hasn't even reached his prime yet? Might as well ask Kobe to jump over a moving truck irl.
It's like you made this thread and set the conditions so that you can stand up high in your soap box and enjoy looking down on others. How's the view up ther btw?
Though if you're lucky, you can force lurkers to actually post with such 'controversial' topics.

Regardless of what conditions i set, you chose to comment on it didn't you? If you ask right now who is the best, there are different aspects, longevity, winning e.t.c. but we can't argue on that because we don't know how either of their careers will end. The only thing we can talk about is the past and present. It would be stupid to argue about the past because, well, it's the past. The present on the other hand is now and that's what I am talking about, LeBron James is by far playing the best basketball right now and is the best player right now. Period. A fact, not an argument. If it is that i'm just a crazy person then i ask please give me reasons why it's Kobe and i hear shit like he has Shark blood, please GTFOH. That's not saying Kobe isn't good, but that LeBron is better. Not a diss to Kobe but a compliment to LeBron.

Jordan already had a decent mid-range game early in his career. In college even.
Kobe already had NBA range during his younger days. His problem then (and at times even now) was bad shot selection. Real bad shot selection, because he knew he can shoot that far which leads to some really ugly results (see LAL vs. Uta playoff series).

So you're ssaying we should discredit LeBron for having good shot selection there by taking shots he's better at which is attacking the basket? Yes that makes sense and about Jordan see my previous comment about Jordan's jumpshot. And even if so what? Kobe has a better jumpshot? SO! WHAT! I've said that myself multiple times, but is that reason enough why Kobe is better?
Devin Harris has a much better jumpshot than Rondo, and he takes more difficult shots than Rondo and makes more than Rondo and shoots better for freethrows, therefore he's better than Rondo. YES. That makes all the sense in the world.

[imefimef]

Lebron James sucks dick, I think Kobe Bryant is the best player to ever play and if you say he isnt you suck the cock too.

See i find this freaking hilarious. I'm not going into a fit because he's obviously joking but these are the kind of reasons i get (not literally) and it's supposed to change my opinion?

[koberulz]

Lest you think that this is one of those stats that puts too much weight on team defense I offer two counters. First, the defensive rating is per 100 possessions, meaning it's pace adjusted. Also, last year Kobe was 4th on his own team, behind Odom, Gasol and Bynum.

How on earth does that counter the idea of it relying too much on team defense?

[Jackal]

But I think that because Lebron doesnt have more rings, he sucks the cock. Kobe has 5.

Well 6, did you see that rock he gave Vanessa for sexing up that girl in Colorado? Shiiiiiiiiieeeetttt.

Lebron is a bitch, he wishes he could have Vanessa's ring let alone a championship one.

So Kobe wins...in this debate and in rings. And Lebrons talents are in south beach on his knees in front of Wade.

[Andrew]

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[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

Sorry Andrew, I'll watchout for that later on.

Kobe gotten 6.9 rebounds once and the next highsest 6.3. Same with assists Lakers have played out the triangle offense and Kobe has never gotten more than 6 assists a game which was once then one 5.9. As far as Kobe's defense from one of those links i posted:

OMG!! Like if one more rebound is really going to affect the man. Really man we're here and we're talkin' about rebounding. OMG Lebron averaged 7 and Kobe got 6 OMG!!!!!! (and no I'm not joking with you)

Kobe has never led the league in steals, and only finished in the top 5 twice. He's only finished in the top 10 in Defensive Win Shares once. He's only averaged more than a block a game once in his career. Not only does he not stop the other guy from scoring, he doesn't generate a lot of big plays himself either. I understand the illusion exists that he's a great defensive player, so please don't come telling me how many All Defensive teams he's been on. He doesn't belong on them.

I just lost respect for this writer. How can you base defense on steals and blocks? That's 1/4 of defense because there's more things you can do on the defensive end to help your team.

Well if someone actually says something worth listening to then why the hell wouldn't I? I mean really you're telling me all the "because he has shark like instincts are supposed to make me change my opinions?

When the hell did anybody mention anything with "shark-like instincts"?

What? Micheal Jordan was a HORRIBLE 3 point shooter in his first 5 seasons, he shot from 0.173% to 0.276%. Those are nothing but HORRIBLE numbers, and in the coming seasons he still had bad years in shooting the 3(especially at the end of his career ending with 0.18% and 0.29%. And you honestly are telling me LeBron didn't get better as a shooter since '03? If you honestly believe that then i don't respect any of your opinions because that literally makes no sense.

I was referring to what Shadowgrin said about his mid-range jumper and his overall shot. But, Kobe DID have a shot( 3pters, midrange, pull-up, everything...)

And if you're too stupid to get that i'm joking by calling you Charlie Sheen and you believe i think you really are Charlie Sheen then yeah, turn off the computer and put on your helmet.

I'm not the person to joke around with in that matter. So stop calling me Charlie Sheen.

Oscar Robertson played in a different time, they actually adjusted his stats to today's game and it doesn't come up to a triple double, the pace was much more different and i remember LeBron's stats were adjust to that pace and it actually came out to more than a triple double over a season. Hedo, Andre, Pippen and Magic never scored 30per. The only 3 players to ever get 30 points a game, over 7 rebounds and 7 assists are The big O (but i already explained about the pace thing), Micheal Jordan (You prolly heard about him before) and oh this dude called LeBron. Only rookies to get 20+ ppg game 5 rebs and 5 asts? Big O, MJ and LeBron.

I was referring to the "point-forward" statement. Hedo, Andre, Scottie, Magic could get 7 assists, 7 assists on any given night so it's not rare. Shows you know nothing of them or even the legends. Plus, I see Bird no where in your statement which is a facepalm. Bird could score 30, grab reb, and pass the ball like a point guard. Hell, your NBA knowledge is so ignorant that you forgot Tyreke Evans who averaged 20,5,5 last year as a ROOKIE.

Now here's some good old stats for you(since you love stats):

Larry Bird

1986-1987 season
PPG:28.1 RPG:9.2 APG:7.6 on 74 games and 40.6 minutes per game.

Tyreke Evans

2009-2010 season
PPG:20.1 RPG:5.3 APG:5.8 on 72 games and 37.2 minutes per game.

Scottie Pippen

1991-1992 season
PPG:21.0 RPG:7.7 APG:7.0 on 82 games and 38.6 minutes per game.

Now my favorite:

Magic Johnson

1979-1980(rookie season)
PPG:18.0 RPG:7.7 APG:7.3 on 77 games and 36.3 minutes per game.

1981-1982 season(fuckin monster 3rd season holy shit)
PPG:18.6 RPG:9.6 APG:9.5 on 78 games and 38.3 minutes per game.

Gotta love basketball-reference.com!

EDIT:
You obviously don't know about the game of basketball. The Lakers offense is like the Princeton's offense which requires a LOT of cutting, moving, and passing. The Lakers didn't run that offense for one season since Kobe was there due to Rudy coming in. Each NBA team has a system that the coach develops for the offense and defense. The CAV's system has always been to give LeBron the ball and get the hell out of the way (well just to make it short and simple), while the Lakers requires a lot of moving and passing between all 5 players. But, I doubt you don't how the hell the offense is and or even Princeton. For example look at how Raymond Felton flourished under New York and his PPG went up and his APG too (even though he had Amare). So once again, it's the game of basketball.

[shadowgrin]

The same "criticism" can be said about LeBron's FT shooting.

Are you special? That was the point i was trying to make was you can't say one player is more dedicated than the other, didn't you at least detect the hint of sarcasm in my text? In an argument were i say "you can't say one is more dedicated" than another i end it with "Obviously LeBron is dedicated than he is". Yeesh.

Fact, my sarcasm detector has exploded a long time ago.
See those quotation marks on 'criticism'?

It would be stupid to argue about the past because, well, it's the past. The present on the other hand is now and that's what I am talking about, LeBron James is by far playing the best basketball right now and is the best player right now. Period. A fact, not an argument. If it is that i'm just a crazy person then i ask please give me reasons why it's Kobe and i hear shit like he has Shark blood, please GTFOH. That's not saying Kobe isn't good, but that LeBron is better. Not a diss to Kobe but a compliment to LeBron.

Then what the hell is the point of this 'factual' thread anyway?
Maybe I should make a thread: 'The earth spins around the sun!' and wait for people to give me new 'facts' that say otherwise?

So you're ssaying we should discredit LeBron for having good shot selection there by taking shots he's better at which is attacking the basket? Yes that makes sense and about Jordan see my previous comment about Jordan's jumpshot. And even if so what? Kobe has a better jumpshot? SO! WHAT! I've said that myself multiple times, but is that reason enough why Kobe is better?
Devin Harris has a much better jumpshot than Rondo, and he takes more difficult shots than Rondo and makes more than Rondo and shoots better for freethrows, therefore he's better than Rondo. YES. That makes all the sense in the world.

No. I said that to inform others who might be confused with what you just said about Jordan and Kobe regarding their shot early career. The same thing you are doing right now regarding facts about LeBron.

[benji]

Maybe I should make a thread: 'The earth spins around the sun!' and wait for people to give me new 'facts' that say otherwise?

"Sir, a moment of your time."

[benji]

Maybe I should make a thread: 'The earth spins around the sun!' and wait for people to give me new 'facts' that say otherwise?

"Sir, might you have a series of pamphlets to which I may receive in the future, your ideas do bring great interest to my studies."

[imefimef]

That 6 rebs was just once or twice in his career, other seasons range from 4-5 plus over 82 games they do matter.

In earlier posts i got stuff like "killer instincts" and shit like that. i went with "shark-like instincts and sharkblood(in a later post) for comedic effect.

Kobe did have the jumpshot, but Jordan didn't early in his career so should that same argument be implemented in a Kobe vs Mj discussion? Plus regardless, i've stated Kobe has a better jumpshooter multiple times.

Ok you are not Charlie Sheen. You are obviously Batman. Say Hi to Robin for me.

Ok NONE of those people's stat lines(except Bird) has 30ppg tho? SO really WTF? The highest was 21 points. Plus if you notice, i said

Hedo, Andre, Pippen and Magic never scored 30per

I specifically left Bird off that list because he came pretty damn close. And yes i forgot to add Reke to that 20,5,5 rookie season so OBVIOUSLY my NBA knowledge is ignorant.
Well i say you have ADD or can't read because of that list you posted, because first i didn't mention Bird and neither of them got the 30 i said they didn't have which you were trying to disprove.
So you are saying Kobe is a better playmaker or rebounder than LeBron? Plus didn't the Bulls run triangle offense? Then how did Micheal who is also 6'6'' (so don't tell me LeBron is taller) get those rebounds and assists? Don't worry I'll wait.


Now shadow, yes i saw them and took it as it's not really a criticism which was my point ergo made no sense for you to be sarcastic about my sarcasm. Too confusing.

The point is ppl like ur self and Charlie She...no i mean Batman said i don't listen to others and can't change my mind, so i ask for reasonable reason because i don't change my opinions and principle based on a whim such as "a better temperament to go with some mad skill"
Plus if you do agree that it is a fact, then why argue about it? I think it's a fact and will reconsider if i get a fact that disproves it.
No, with Mj, regardless of shot selection shooting 17%, 16%,18%,13%,and then 27% is BAD BAD BAD. Ending with 23%, 18%,then 29%. That's 8 out of 15 seasons of horrible seasons and in 94-95 he only played 17 games so that more like 8 outta 14.
EDIT: He also had another 27% season in 91-92 and that was in his prime. so thats 9 bad 3 point seasons.
RE-EDIT: My bad to the "Flaming C", see i am making use of the EDIT button.
RE-RE-EDIT: @Benji, no i disagree because the sun sucks dick and the earth overall comes through when you really need it.

[jenroe962002]

Because Kobe can nail that so they can't question that.

as i read in some book it goes like this:

Michael Jordan: Winning

Kobe Bryant: Greatness

LeBron James: Amaze

You can't question pulling up from way too deep for 3 when you're down by 4 in the closing moments? Then you are obviously a GENIUS.
And WTF does the last part mean? what does that have to do with anything?
EDIT: You should burn that book because it would be more useful to you as a heat source then for you to read it.

I do not question Kobe making deep 3 pointer because he can nail that, What about LeBrick?
Why would i burn that book I am not a "Defend my NBA Hero Lebron "No Fundamentals" James."
Can I ask you something? Have you ever watch a Basketball game? Why do you compare Lebron and Kobe with stats? huh.
I agree with Mr.Underated: Lebron don't know fundamentals. I consider Tim Duncan greater than Lebron because of how he play.

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

Ok NONE of those people's stat lines(except Bird) has 30ppg tho? SO really WTF? The highest was 21 points. Plus if you notice, i said Hedo, Andre, Pippen and Magic never scored 30per

You're fucking insane. They literally HAVE to score 30 just to be on your "list"? Your're insane if you don't include Larry Bird or Magic because of that reason. Besides, Bird was fucking white and Magic averaged 19,9,9 for basically a triple-double season. LeBron will NEVER be in their same breath or even near their legacy. He's done. His stupid stats and his legacy are done because he flew to South Beach to join "Wade's Team". Nuff' said.

So you are saying Kobe is a better playmaker or rebounder than LeBron? Plus didn't the Bulls run triangle offense? Then how did Micheal who is also 6'6'' (so don't tell me LeBron is taller) get those rebounds and assists? Don't worry I'll wait.

I just have to lol at your comment. Jordan had high assists stats during the Collin Years which where from 1984-1989. Different system, different coach (even though they had Tex Winters). 1989-1998, Jordan averaged 6/5 assists per game under Phil Jackson. When he came back for the full 1995-1996 season he started to average 4 a game. Better do your research next time.

The point is ppl like ur self and Charlie She...no i mean Batman said i don't listen to others and can't change my mind, so i ask for reasonable reason because i don't change my opinions and principle based on a whim such as "a better temperament to go with some mad skill"

You're very biased person. I'm not biased at all because I just mentioned at least 5 different players that do the same thing as LeBron. LeBron is very gifted player but he just doesn't have "it", but you're not going to understand, so fuck it. I'm not going to continue arguing with a person like you. You're wiling not to accept that you're wrong AND I'm giving legit reasons, stats, and statements. You set up this thread to go your way and you just want to piss people off obviously. I'm done with you.

[Jackal]

By the way, I think it's unfair to say "look at what LA did and surrounded Kobe with all stars whereas they got shit for Lebron".

Who the fuck wants to play in Cleveland?

[Modifly]

Just curious, ignoring rings who would you pick as a better player imefimef, McGrady or Kobe?

I'm aware that your question wasn't directed at me, but I'll take McGrady all the way.

[imefimef]

@jenroe9620002
Yeah i'm not talking to you anymore. LeBrick, yeall creative and mature.

@Batman
No it's not my list, it's an NBA club, the 30 7 and 7 club just like there are 30 30 clubs and such there is a 30 7 and 7 club.
This here is the 30 points and 7 assist club(BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT TO SCORE 30 AND GET 7 ASSISTS)
http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-30-points-7-assists-club/3056/
See the caliber of players there? Yea LeBron didn't only get that, he got 7 assists along with that. So yeah that's impressive.

Funny how you quoted the part where i said sexcept Bird because he was fucking close and there's nothing wrong with Magic but 30 7 and 7 is way more difficult than 19, 9 and 9.

And the thing about legacy is that YOU CAN'T JUDGE TILL AFTER. Remeber when Kobe raped that girl? people said similar things, remeber when Kobe asked for a trade? was that loyal? but now you never hear anything about it. LeBron's legacy is intact and will keep growing till he's done.
If you don't think LeBron will end up as top 5 best players at the end of his career with the way he's going, then you must be the stupidest person alive. At least one of them.

Yeah but MJ got upwards of 5 assists in his prime and what about the rebounds? And what about when Kobe played with Phil Jackson? You have not mention one player except Bird that did what LeBron did and it's not like Bird is a bad player to be compared to.
What legit facts are you mentioning? That Kobe is more skilled therefore a better scorer? I already said that. And because LeBron asked how many rebounds he got he therfore a stat stuffer? Yes that is absolutely more than reason enough and is a fact. LeBron's jumper isn't where it is "supposed to be"? Where the fuck is it supposed to be? WHere the fuck is anybodies jumpshot supposed to be? And if it isn't, yet shoots a better for 3s than Kobe, then where is Kobe's shot supposed to be?
As far as just jumpshots (no close,dunk, tips or inside shots) Kobe this season has 15.3 points with those and has an eFG5 of 0.469.
LeBron has 12 points and a 457 eFG%. How is that bad? So how can one of them be a great shooter and the other a bad shooter? Neither of those numbers are great or bad, those are good numbers. Period.
"savyness, and finishing ability(without the use of "freakish athleticism) as a guard" is not reason enough sir. And you're saying Kobe wasn't atheletic back then? Jumping over every body? And you say my NBA info is ignorant. SMH.

Trying to make yourself feel smarter by not responding, yeah sure run away Charlie Shee...oops i mean Batman.
Ok let's end this thread in one sentence why is Kobe a better basketball player right now?

[shadowgrin]

Remeber when Kobe raped that girl?

(Legal) proof or ban.

[x-uNdErRaTeD-z]

@jenroe9620002
Yeah i'm not talking to you anymore. LeBrick, yeall creative and mature.

@Batman
No it's not my list, it's an NBA club, the 30 7 and 7 club just like there are 30 30 clubs and such there is a 30 7 and 7 club.
This here is the 30 points and 7 assist club(BECAUSE IT IS DIFFICULT TO SCORE 30 AND GET 7 ASSISTS)
http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-30-points-7-assists-club/3056/
See the caliber of players there? Yea LeBron didn't only get that, he got 7 assists along with that. So yeah that's impressive.

Funny how you quoted the part where i said sexcept Bird because he was fucking close and there's nothing wrong with Magic but 30 7 and 7 is way more difficult than 19, 9 and 9.

And the thing about legacy is that YOU CAN'T JUDGE TILL AFTER. Remeber when Kobe raped that girl? people said similar things, remeber when Kobe asked for a trade? was that loyal? but now you never hear anything about it. LeBron's legacy is intact and will keep growing till he's done.
If you don't think LeBron will end up as top 5 best players at the end of his career with the way he's going, then you must be the stupidest person alive. At least one of them.

Yeah but MJ got upwards of 5 assists in his prime and what about the rebounds? And what about when Kobe played with Phil Jackson? You have not mention one player except Bird that did what LeBron did and it's not like Bird is a bad player to be compared to.
What legit facts are you mentioning? That Kobe is more skilled therefore a better scorer? I already said that. And because LeBron asked how many rebounds he got he therfore a stat stuffer? Yes that is absolutely more than reason enough and is a fact. LeBron's jumper isn't where it is "supposed to be"? Where the fuck is it supposed to be? WHere the fuck is anybodies jumpshot supposed to be? And if it isn't, yet shoots a better for 3s than Kobe, then where is Kobe's shot supposed to be?
As far as just jumpshots (no close,dunk, tips or inside shots) Kobe this season has 15.3 points with those and has an eFG5 of 0.469.
LeBron has 12 points and a 457 eFG%. How is that bad? So how can one of them be a great shooter and the other a bad shooter? Neither of those numbers are great or bad, those are good numbers. Period.
"savyness, and finishing ability(without the use of "freakish athleticism) as a guard" is not reason enough sir. And you're saying Kobe wasn't atheletic back then? Jumping over every body? And you say my NBA info is ignorant. SMH.

Trying to make yourself feel smarter by not responding, yeah sure run away Charlie Shee...oops i mean Batman.
Ok let's end this thread in one sentence why is Kobe a better basketball player right now?

[koberulz]

30 7 and 7 is way more difficult than 19, 9 and 9.

According to whom?

If you don't think LeBron will end up as top 5 best players at the end of his career with the way he's going, then you must be the stupidest person alive. At least one of them.

Which four of Jordan, Wilt, Russell, Bird, Magic, Abdul-Jabbar, West, Mikan, Robertson, Cousy, Dream, Duncan, Shaq and anyone else I'm forgetting should be above him? And why shouldn't the others?

[imefimef]

By the way, I think it's unfair to say "look at what LA did and surrounded Kobe with all stars whereas they got shit for Lebron".

Who the fuck wants to play in Cleveland?

Don't you think it's also unfair to say look at the success Kobe has with the all stars and hall of famers he was surrounded with when LeBron didn't in Cleveland.


@Koberulz Says me, 30ppg is pretty much always the focal scorer on the team, and having to scorer 30 every game for your team is hard enough but adding 7 and 7(which in LeBron's case was 30 8 and 7) is more than 19-supporting scorer with 9 and 9. Again not that that's not impressive but the other is more impressive.
What do you mean why shouldn't others? Do you see what LeBron is doing? Even if you don't think he is better than Kobe are you telling me he's not easily the second best right now? Are you telling me what he is doing is at least epic? That's how i can tell you are blinded by your Kobe love, as much as i like LeBron doesn't make me say shit like Kobe is decent, or that Kobe isn't/won't be one of the best to ever play.

Ah i should have realized what i was dealing with, from the rEtArdED way your username is spelled i should have figured i was dealing with a juvenile. I mean am all for comedy and the "funnies" but that was just a poor attempt at trying to be funny. You say you had to create an account just to respond to me and you end by posting an irrelevant lolcat joke. I mean look at the posts Benji made, sure the captions could have used (alot) more work but that was still funny and i loled a little bit. You're not even clever enough to find one (or even make your own caption) to make it relevant to this post/conversation/argument. You sir, Charlie Sheen or Batman, should be ashamed of yourself.

All i kno is i have not said anything false, untrue or unverifiable about Kobe or LeBron, unlike you. I will end it with this,

I think LeBron James is currently a better basketball player than Kobe because although he isn't as good a scorer, he more than makes up for it being a more efficient scorer, better rebounder, playmamker, and better OFF-BALL DEFENDER. (As far as on-ball there is no way to quantify them and Kobe who can lock players down doesn't do it day in and day out, so can't be judged off isolated incidents, so i'm not going to comment on that.) LeBron can literally do everything on the court and is above average in every single aspect of the game except socring in the post(which he doesn't do that often). Sure he has weakness especially in freethrow shooting, but you can only hope he'd get better at it because his percentage increases per season. His jumpshot isn't great but it definitely is not bad, a little above average infact and is pretty similar to Kobe's which is definitely not bad. The fact that he was by himself on the Cavs is irrelevant because Kobe has played pretty much by himself for a number of seasons. You wouldn't discredit what Derick Rose did in the playoffs against the Celtics a couple of seasons ago because he was the focal point on his team and was putting up numbers. Kobe was the only one on his team when he scored 81 but that rarely comes up in discussions. Bottom line, LeBron is playing the best basketball in the NBA right now and the past couple of seasons ergo the best player right now.

Now you can run and tell THAT homeboy.

[Jackal]

Did I compare their success? Not really.

Lebron James is the more talented player, he's easily the best player in the league right now. That doesn't change the fact he's a cocksucker though.

The point of the whole thing is that you're trying to "have a discussion" but seeking only conflicting opinions so you can rant about it so you can feel good about being right?

"Sun vs Moon.

The sun gives more warmth, but there are guys that say the moon does. Can anyone present me stats or prove to me that the moon provides more warmth?

Person X: Well, the moon looks pretty awesome at night, it makes me wet.

You: Awesome, pretty and wet are all words just thrown out there, point is the sun is warmer. So I'm right, can anyone prove to me I'm not?"

[hova-]

Lebron James is the more talented player, he's easily the best player in the league right now. That doesn't change the fact he's a cocksucker though.

The man got a point, gotta say that.

[imefimef]

Did I compare their success? Not really.

Lebron James is the more talented player, he's easily the best player in the league right now. That doesn't change the fact he's a cocksucker though.

The point of the whole thing is that you're trying to "have a discussion" but seeking only conflicting opinions so you can rant about it so you can feel good about being right?

"Sun vs Moon.

The sun gives more warmth, but there are guys that say the moon does. Can anyone present me stats or prove to me that the moon provides more warmth?

Person X: Well, the moon looks pretty awesome at night, it makes me wet.

You: Awesome, pretty and wet are all words just thrown out there, point is the sun is warmer. So I'm right, can anyone prove to me I'm not?"

Haha i wasn't refering to you when i was talking about the success thing, i meant the other ppl who kept saying oh 5 rings over and over. And that's pretty much why i started this, most of the people i talk to don't seem to realize there is a difference between basketball and golf because they pretty much attribute all of the Lakers sucess to Kobe and all of the Cavs failures to LeBron. In basketball the ultimate point to it is to win championships, there's no 2 ways about it. But in that sense Kobe is better, legacy wise he is the best right now by a long shot. But that has nothing to do with right now, it's just like saying Tim Duncan right now is better than Pau Gasol, when Gasol is playing much much better ball than Tim, even though Tim will def be HOF.

Regardless of LeBron's hobbies (which may or may not include cock sucking) LeBron is still playing the best ball and obviously from the responses on this thread people don't get that, even with my "self-serving" conditions. There are people still disputing it!! And that is simply mind blowing, if i were to say the sun was hotter, can someone point to me if i'm wrong, WHY THE HELL ARE PEOPLE POINTING ALL THESE STUPID FINGERS?

That is why because hopefully someone reading this will realize oh snap hmmm well what do you know maybe LeBron is really the best baller right now, because like your sun analogy, it's simply common sense. So therefore i am not mainly a fan of LeBron i am a "fanboi" and advocate of common sense, which ironically is not common.

[shadowgrin]

Imma gonna let you all finish but LeBron James is the best player now! THE BEST PLAYER! NOW!



Why can't you accept the fact that some people have different opinions/preferences than yours and won't change it no matter how hard you try to spew the truth of your reasoning?

It's like you're on a crusade to prove to the world that LeBron is the best right now (or to prove you're right because you like the feeling of it), which no one gives a fuck really (I assume most people here do) as most people just want to watch good basketball and great players do their thing.

[Jackal]

But Shadowgrin, Lebron James is the best player. So everything you said...+ that sentence. Then maybe he'll stfu.

[shadowgrin]

My bad. Edit made accordingly to my previous post.