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Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:26 am
benji wrote:Dennis Rodman is the greatest rebounder in NBA history. Russell never rebounded as well as Rodman did. At Rodman's best, in 1994-95, he averaged 18.9 rebounds per 36 minutes. At 45 minutes a game (Russell numbers) he would get 23.6 rebounds per game.
But Russell would never play more than 40 minutes a game due to today's culture.
Hollinger places Russell's peak at around 21-22% of rebounds. Wallace had a 23% year (same as what Hollinger places Russell's peak season at) in 2002-03. Wallace pulled down 15.4 rebounds per game at 39.3 minutes per game.
Russell averaging 20 boards a game? Very unlikely. 15 would be a lot easier to swallow.
I can't argue against those numbers and I certainly didn't mean to imply it was a given, but if 15 is a more likely number then I still think some Rodman-like numbers aren't completely out of the question, even if those statistics suggest it's unlikely. At the very least, Russell averaging between 15-20 rebounds in the modern era seems more plausible than him averaging 40 ppg.
Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:42 am
If Bill said he could score 40 ppg he had to be joking. He was really a pretty awkward offensive player. He had a decent hook, but it wasn't very fundamentally sound and he brought the ball down very low before he came up with it. He really wasn't a very efficient scorer either, he was only about a 45% fg shooter IIRC.
Benji is right about Rodman being the best rebounder in the leagues history too (For as much as we've disagreed in the past I haven't seen anything I disagree with you on in a long time by the way). Dennis was a fantastic studier of the way players shot and where the ball usually went off the rim when they missed. He knew the tendencies of pretty much every player in the league as far as whether they usually missed to the left, right, short or long. He himself, missed in all different directions though...
Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:40 am
1.NYK
2.Heat strugling
3.Floping
thats why i watch euroleague more often nba is becaming hmmm another hollywood they should start recording dramas on court.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:35 pm
Andrew wrote:3. The final minute of a reasonably close game taking 15-20 minutes to complete as the teams trade intentional fouls and timeouts. I understand why teams do it and want to compete to the final buzzer, but it doesn't make it any less ugly.
This one was in full effect in the Magic/Spurs game today. It had been a pretty good game up until the final minute when the Magic found themselves trailing and kept fouling right up until there were 15 seconds left, never coming any closer than eight and instead of losing by eleven points (as they were when they started fouling), they lost by ten.
I know, it's not competitive to just give up when the possibility of a miracle finish is still there but at some point it starts going against the competitive spirit...especially when the attempts to catchup are half-hearted and taking so much time off the clock it wasn't worth stopping it in the first place.
Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:07 pm
1. D-Wade sidelined
2. NYK
3. Shaq gets almost useless
Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:41 pm
Diddy wrote:1. D-Wade sidelined
2. NYK
3. Shaq gets almost useless
what you mean Dwade sidelined explain me please cause english is only my second language
Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:32 am
It's another way of saying that he's inactive and thus not playing in any games (ie on the sideline).
Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:21 am
I know, it's not competitive to just give up when the possibility of a miracle finish is still there but at some point it starts going against the competitive spirit...especially when the attempts to catchup are half-hearted and taking so much time off the clock it wasn't worth stopping it in the first place.
Yea. Most of the late comebacks that happen do not involve constant fouling. What if they lowered the shot clock to 14 seconds when there is under 2 minutes in the game, and made it so any foul to stop the clock is an intentional foul. That would discourage the teams from killing clock and fouling to stop the clock.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:11 am
Andrew wrote:It's another way of saying that he's inactive and thus not playing in any games (ie on the sideline).
thanks but think about that that wade had dislocated shoulder and extended knee how he can play good?? He just need some time.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:56 am
lisinas3 wrote:Andrew wrote:It's another way of saying that he's inactive and thus not playing in any games (ie on the sideline).
thanks but think about that that wade had dislocated shoulder and extended knee how he can play good?? He just need some time.
I may get roasted for saying this but i have a distinct feeling that if the Heat were contenders wade would be taking the advil and playing the game...
Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:11 am
illini wrote:I may get roasted for saying this but i have a distinct feeling that if the Heat were contenders wade would be taking the advil and playing the game...
A lot of players would do that actually. I'm sure it's common for players to suit up despite an injury if there's a championship or a playoff on the line. If they're bottom dwellers, there's no point.
Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:16 am
Pdub wrote:Yea. Most of the late comebacks that happen do not involve constant fouling. What if they lowered the shot clock to 14 seconds when there is under 2 minutes in the game, and made it so any foul to stop the clock is an intentional foul. That would discourage the teams from killing clock and fouling to stop the clock.
The problem is fouling to stop the clock is a legit technique...when the game is reasonably within reach. To that end, I don't think the league should take away that option completely. Ideally, teams should be discouraged from using the tactic when the game is more or less unwinnable but it's difficult to actual make a rule on that because you don't want to deny a team a chance to try and win the game.
I think there needs to be a change in the "culture" though. Just as it's seen as unsporting to take a shot when you can dribble out the clock in a blowout victory, I think it should be the done thing to let the game go when you're down by ten or more with, say, less than twenty seconds left in a regular season game.
lisinas3 wrote:Andrew wrote:It's another way of saying that he's inactive and thus not playing in any games (ie on the sideline).
thanks but think about that that wade had dislocated shoulder and extended knee how he can play good?? He just need some time.
It was last season he suffered the shoulder injury but that's beside the point. To describe Wade as being "sidelined" isn't taking a swipe at him. It's just a more concise way of saying he's not playing.
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