KG Trade a "Done Deal"

Meh, were getting our messages crossed I think.

I was saying take off a few wins, team as is, without the bench support. Scalabrine just isnt it. They lose too much when Pierce leaves the floor right now. As a result, hes going to have to push himself all season, and be a little flat come playoff time. As for tony allen, hes better suited to play a 2, and loses his effectiveness running the point.

Even if they get some bench support, and win those 47-50 games, without a good veteran PG, Knight would probably be their best option ATM, I dont see them getting out of the second round of the playoffs. Rondo is good player, but he's green (no pun intended), he had no real pressure to speak of at Kentucky either, so I doubt that he'll be very effective for them when they will really need him to be.

That said, they are a good squad, but they arent going to be ready this year IMO

I don't really see Knight as the solution at PG for Boston. He and Rondo are fairly similar offensive players, and I think they'd be much better served by having a PG who can shoot the 3. With Pierce, Allen, and Garnett dominating the ball (I foresee an offense run mostly through KG at the elbow, similar to what Toronto does with Bosh), they will need guys to knock down open shots. I'm not sure if there's any free agents available that fit that mold, but if there is, the C's should definitely pursue them. And, as already said, they need another big and another wing player. If were Ainge, I'd spend the MLE on the big man (not sure who), then sign a couple of shooters for minimum (or close), one at PG, one at SF/SG.

C- Perkins (55%)/Skinner (45%)
F- Garnett (75%)/Scalabrine (15%)/Powe (10%)
F- Pierce (72%)/Posey (28%)
G- Allen (68%)/Allen (28%)/Posey (4%)
G- Rondo (50%)/Knight (45%)/Allen (5%)

MPG:
Garnett: 36.0
Pierce: 34.6
Allen: 32.6
Perkins: 26.4
Rondo: 24.0
Knight: 21.6
Skinner: 21.6
Allen: 15.8
Posey: 15.4
Scalabrine: 7.2
Powe: 4.8

44-38

With Pierce from 05/06 it's 46-47 wins.

Changing the PG rotation to: Alston (65%)/Rondo (35%) puts them at 49-50 wins. Boykins is even better: 53-56 wins.

i just watched part of the press conference on SC and they showed clips of KG at work. honestly that man has slipped under the radar the last few years, especially with the league shifting to Lebron, Wade, and Melo, I forgot how good this guy is. man can shoot out to 15-18 feet, leads the league in rebounding, good defender... can block shots, good scorer and unselfish. man I remember I loved playing as KG in Live 98. dude just dominated with his windmill dunks on the opposition.

I don't really see Knight as the solution at PG for Boston. He and Rondo are fairly similar offensive players, and I think they'd be much better served by having a PG who can shoot the 3.

I'm not sure about that. Knight is much more of a traditional PG compared to Rondo, and with the firepower they'll have, it sounds like a better fit to have someone who can distribute the ball efficiently, rather than a super quick guy who shoots (but rarely 3s) and penetrates...

there is some talk about maybe hudson rejoining kg in boston now that he is being bought out. if he agrees to a cheap deal, as he does not deserve anything even remotely big, then i am all for it. i am willing to bet he would be willing to sign a league min deal since he is still gonna be paid from minn.

I'd enjoy seeing Ray Ray and GP together again.

Changing the PG rotation to: Alston (65%)/Rondo (35%) puts them at 49-50 wins. Boykins is even better: 53-56 wins.

See? PG makes all the difference in the world.

I'm not sure about that. Knight is much more of a traditional PG compared to Rondo, and with the firepower they'll have, it sounds like a better fit to have someone who can distribute the ball efficiently, rather than a super quick guy who shoots (but rarely 3s) and penetrates...

Thats PRECISELY what I was thinking. The big 3 is damn near 75 points a game. Why not bring in a G thats proficient at feeding them. A good gaurd can feed the right scorer at the appropriate time. No ball hogging issues hopefully, they all eat well, PG looks like nash as long as he's there. Everybody wins.

I don't really see Knight as the solution at PG for Boston. He and Rondo are fairly similar offensive players, and I think they'd be much better served by having a PG who can shoot the 3.

I'm not sure about that. Knight is much more of a traditional PG compared to Rondo, and with the firepower they'll have, it sounds like a better fit to have someone who can distribute the ball efficiently, rather than a super quick guy who shoots (but rarely 3s) and penetrates...

I think it depends what kind of offense they run. If, as I suspect they will, Boston uses KG as the primary distributor, setting up plays from the high elbow/low-post, then I think they'd be better served by a strong outside shooter, a la John Paxson in Chicago or Derek Fisher in LA during their respective title runs.

If, however they go with an offense highly predicated on player movement without the ball, then maybe a Brevin Knight type would be better suited. But with three superstars, all of whom have the ability to put the ball on the floor, set up teammates, and hit open shots, some variation of the triangle offense makes the most sense, making a shooter much more valuable.

In fact, I think Brevin Knight would make them easier to guard. Neither he nor Perkins (nor realistically any big they could sign) would need any defensive attention, leaving the other team free to double without sacrificing coverage on the other two superstars. Basically, you need guys who are able to punish the defense for focusing in on the big three.

all we need out of a center is a guy who can get a rebound and dunk a wide open shot, thats it. i still rather sign a center first as the bigs are needed for the ring, even the lack luster bigs. as for a point, i think one of those will come cheap now.

I think Rondo is underrated right now, and will be overrated by the end of the season. Personally I think Rajon is the best point guard for the job. He's the same guy that passed up layups throughout the season because he was so unselfish, only to get an earful from Doc.

If he gets a little more aggressive offensively and extends his range (let me reword that - 'get' a jumpshot, period.) rather than being basically "just" a slasher, that'll be great for this team. He's gonna get plenty of open looks and he needs to be able to knock them down. He can pretty much gaurd any point gaurd in the league right now and Ray/Paul/KG are gonna love playing with the guy.

i agree with ya, i think rondo is underrated and i truely expect him to do well this season, but where you say to be less unselfish i say thats why he will fit in. this team is set with scoreing, they dont need it except for him to open the open J(which he does need to develop). i have no problems with him at the point but i still say we need another point, well thats obvious dont even have enough guys for a team right now lol

In fact, I think Brevin Knight would make them easier to guard. Neither he nor Perkins (nor realistically any big they could sign) would need any defensive attention, leaving the other team free to double without sacrificing coverage on the other two superstars. Basically, you need guys who are able to punish the defense for focusing in on the big three.

Good point.
I do think that Brevin is the best man for the job, as he's been improving his jump shot over the last couple of years, and he's definitely a better passer and defender than Rondo. But I'll admit that Rondo has a nice potential, and like you said, it all depends what type of offense they'll be running.

I am really enjoying this ofseason (except phoenix trading players for virtually nothing to save money ) especially because a lot of stars are going to the east (Allen, Lewis, KG, Randolph, Richardson)

I'd enjoy seeing Ray Ray and GP together again.

Did they ever played together?, wasn't Allen traded for Payton?

When I said unselfish, I meant that as it's a blessing and a burden for the team overall. If he starts passing out of the open layups he's gonna be getting all season long, that's a burden. If he starts hesitating on his jumpshot and rather than letting an open one fire, he passes is back, that's a burden. On the other hand, he will have no problem at all setting up the big 3 possesion after possesion.

He needs to do two things between now and the start of the season, which I'm sure he's already working on.

1. Get a jumpshot. He is going to have alot of open jumpers this season and he needs to be able to knock them down. The team has three guys worthy of a double team starting every night. Guys are gonna be open alot, specifically Rondo - he needs to be able to knock down any open shot he gets.

2. Be more aggresive. By being more agresive offensively, he could seriously lead all gaurds in field goal percentage, a la Tony Parker. He's gonna get layup after layup - and he will need to be aggresive cutting to the basket when he's open and taking these easy 2's. Same thing for the jumpshot - if he works hard on it and get's it to a decent level come the start of the season, he's gonna be knocking down those open looks the big 3 will create for him.

Looking at the situation he's in, he could be getting 4 or 5 open looks a night and a few layups. He knocks down the layups and half his shots and he's got 10-12 points a night of open looks alone.

By the way, if you haven't seen, here's the Garnett press conference. I'm watching now.

http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nba ... 070731.asx

Just click the link, if that doesn't work, open WMP and click Open URL then paste it in there.

I do think that Brevin is the best man for the job...he's definitely a better...defender than Rondo.

I would not say that definately. Rondo was fantastic defensively last season. Had a 3.6% steal percentage, 14.4% stop percentage...racked up around 6.5 stops a game despite playing under 24 minutes a game.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/chri ... arnett.jpg

#5??? Damn i never seen someone so happy.

That just looks weird and not real...

The C's need another point guard, and a guy like Joel Pryzvilla or Nazr Mohammed. If they are able to do that then they will win it all next year.

there bench looks like NBDL level, hopefully some vets sign to help out a bit. A point guard is needed big time, no point guard means no one to get the ball moving and into one of the stars hands.

cant wait to see the follow up signings to this trade. i am sure they got something worked out or working on something and i am sure kg already knows about it. loved the press conference too.

Did you you guys hear about the redneck dressed in a Klu Klux Klan outfit that shot up the entire Wolves organisation and then popped himself with a 12 gage?

Riot, you'll be missed at the NLSC.

#5??? Damn i never seen someone so happy.