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Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:26 pm

Kobe not getting the MVP last year was the biggest travesty since Dominique Wilkins not being in the NBA top 50.

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:30 pm

By my calculations Kobe will be scoring 55 in the next game......well that is if the pattern continues

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:44 am

By that pattern it would be 65-50-60-50-55-50-50-50. 8 straight games of 50+ eh. Not bad at all. :)

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:04 am

56.3 ppg in the last 4 games???


The NBA should suspend him again for another ""unnatural basketball act".

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:11 am

DB wrote: ""unnatural basketball act".


scoring too many of your team's points? haha.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:29 am

Andrew wrote:
beau_boy04 wrote:he's got 44 and it is obvious he's going fo 50+, making it 50+ in 4 straight gamess and joining Wilt Chamberlain.

Note: MJ never did this.


Not to downplay the accomplishment, but in all fairness there's also more than a couple of things that Michael Jordan did that Kobe Bryant has yet to do.


Magic number for Kobe: 6

then maybe we can talk about them in the same breath.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:34 am

This is Kobe shifting gears to get ready for the playoffs. I can see him having a few more 40 point games, and maybe another 50 only if he has to. With games like he is having, the defense should be trying to clamp down on him, which will open up his teammates. Hopefully they do something with it when he gets them the ball.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:55 am

I don't think he will score 50 again against the warriors.... But i guess it is not too impossible since Golden State is a team that always has high scores just look at the game yesterday 128-135 no OT... so Kobe might have enough possessions to do it again but like said before i don't think he will

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:28 am

Axel wrote:
Andrew wrote:
beau_boy04 wrote:he's got 44 and it is obvious he's going fo 50+, making it 50+ in 4 straight gamess and joining Wilt Chamberlain.

Note: MJ never did this.


Not to downplay the accomplishment, but in all fairness there's also more than a couple of things that Michael Jordan did that Kobe Bryant has yet to do.


Magic number for Kobe: 6

then maybe we can talk about them in the same breath.

Man you really like to bash on him... he's not near the best team player in the league, but the fact that this feat he's accomplished has been done only by Wilt, doesn't mean anything?

If I had to play a 2 on 2 game to save my life, and I could choose one player in the world on my 'team', it would be Kobe with no second thoughts.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:52 am

I don't think he was pressured to score 50 as much as having a really good game. He took 29 field goals, and made 16 of them. He was also perfect from the line, 16 for 16. That's typical of a player who had a great game, but to do something like that for 4 straight games is incredible.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:00 am

first thing i look at when a players scores alot of points in the box score to see how many shots he attempted and made to reach the total. in this 4 game run i see nothing wrong with kobes game. he scored alot and much more importantly, his team won all 4. he did what he had to do to get his team the win so for that i say congrats to kobe.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:49 am

Matthew wrote:Kobe not getting the MVP last year was the biggest travesty since Dominique Wilkins not being in the NBA top 50.

Hey are you suggesting because bryant has scored “a lot” of points in consecutive games this season (kudos to him btw), he should have gotten the award last year? ;)

You don’t give MVP awards anyways to a player who isn’t even on one of the best teams in the league, let alone one of the best in the respective conference he plays in

I say the biggest travesty is Isiah Thomas being left off the dream team or possibly Hue Hollins calling Pippen for a foul on Hubert Davis in the playoffs :)

Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:54 am

I just ignore anyone trying to rain on Kobe's parade. They can say he didnt score them on the best teams in the league but when Mj had his streaks he wasnt scoring then on NBA elite either. Yes he had 60+ against the Celtics in the playoffs but you never hear anyone moan that its worth nothing because he lost. Quality teams...how about 62 through 3 quarters vs the Mavs who went to the finals (or that doesnt count). How about a valiant 50 vs the Suns in the playoffs albeit resulting in a loss. Point is he has performed exceptional time and time again vs the leagues best so lets not forget that. Look at even Wilts 100 point night, If Kobe Bryant duplicated his offensive statistics on that night to score the same 100 I cant imagine the amount of people who'd cry rape because he shot the bal 63 times (alongside 32 free throws). Its still a great game I gotta say, even if it was against a bunch of 6-6 to 6-8 guys who'd only qualify as SFs of SGs today. Then theres the "Oh he had Shaq" argument. Rubbish. What has Shaq achieved without a great 2 guard? Nothing. What had Jordan achieved without Pips? Nothing. What has Magic and Bird achieved without their great teams? Nothing. It works both ways people. Also, people need to put things into better context. Todays league and yesterdays leagues are completely different. How can we compare Jordan leading a team of vets with Kobe leading a team of spermbuds? The guy is a great scorer, let him do what he does. People complain how the NBA is trying to make the league a score first one but look back and see what kind of numbers were being put up back in the day. Do we selectively exclude these things from our memory? Just give the guy props and move on. Stop overglorifying players of the past, they deserve their respect but so do today's superstars, especially Kobe Bryant.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:25 am

i'm not "hating" or "raining" here. Bryant's had a pretty damn good stretch of games

dude- Miami won a title last year. who cares if he won it with another "great 2 guard". wade's and bryants game are not similar anyway. he won not playing in the "triangle offense" and with role players no one else wanted. perhaps you should give the fatman some credit

Jordan carried their last title team for most of the season since Rodman and Pip were out with injuries. and Pip's back was broken in game 6 of the finals. i should say Pip did pretty well without MJ though hehe

2 huge advantages for the offense, especially perimeter players, in today's game is that there is no hand checking allowed and that physical play is really frowned upon. i like to call it the pussification of the nba

that doesn't take anything away from #24, but it does make some of the stuff Jordan did in his era simply awesome. Jordan had to first deal with Dumars handchecking him on the perimeter. if he could get past him, in the lane Laimberr, Rodman, Salley, and even Zeke were waiting to take his head off.

or maybe to make you happy- benji should post both players stats with pace and other fun things being taken into account



who's comparing the Bulls dynasty teams to the 1st round exit lakers anyway? lol

Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:00 am

Tuomas wrote:
Axel wrote:
Andrew wrote:
beau_boy04 wrote:he's got 44 and it is obvious he's going fo 50+, making it 50+ in 4 straight gamess and joining Wilt Chamberlain.

Note: MJ never did this.


Not to downplay the accomplishment, but in all fairness there's also more than a couple of things that Michael Jordan did that Kobe Bryant has yet to do.


Magic number for Kobe: 6

then maybe we can talk about them in the same breath.

Man you really like to bash on him... he's not near the best team player in the league, but the fact that this feat he's accomplished has been done only by Wilt, doesn't mean anything?

If I had to play a 2 on 2 game to save my life, and I could choose one player in the world on my 'team', it would be Kobe with no second thoughts.


I don't think it means anything in comparison to Michael Jordan, no. Like I said, the magic number is 6. Kobe still has a long way to go before he is comprable to MJ for the greatest(though after every single individual performance, someone always seems to say that's what pushes him over the top).

Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:30 am

Wow 4 in a row, I reckon he could get 5 possibly. To compare Kobe to Jordan is ridiculous though, Kobe will never be Jordan and Jordan will never be Kobe, neither player should be compared at all cos both deserve their own names respectively.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:11 pm

air gordon wrote:i'm not "hating" or "raining" here. Bryant's had a pretty damn good stretch of games


First mistake, I wasnt talking to 'you' in particular.

dude- Miami won a title last year. who cares if he won it with another "great 2 guard". wade's and bryants game are not similar anyway. he won not playing in the "triangle offense" and with role players no one else wanted. perhaps you should give the fatman some credit

I give the 'fatman' credit. Where did I say I dont. Both players deserve credit for their part in championship teams. All I was pointing out is how people sing on what has Kobe done without Shaq when the same applies for Shaq regarding to swingmen.


Jordan carried their last title team for most of the season since Rodman and Pip were out with injuries. and Pip's back was broken in game 6 of the finals. i should say Pip did pretty well without MJ though hehe


Rodman played 80 games so I'm not sure exactly how he missed so many games that season but Pippen did so in only playing 44. At the eend of the day his teams were still top to bottom better in terns of having a strong veteran presence.

Regarding Pippen's play without MJ, yes he did play well albeit with a still solid team. I'm sure he wouldnt dream of playing beside a Sasha, Sham and a Smush. He didnt win any titles either and in comparison between him and Kobe's play after losing their star teammates I wouldnt gives Pips anything over what Kobe has done.

2 huge advantages for the offense, especially perimeter players, in today's game is that there is no hand checking allowed and that physical play is really frowned upon. i like to call it the pussification of the nba


Oh gosh the one tired argument that seems to be played over and over like an old broken record. Please tell me that everyone in the league didnt know that if you whispered in Jordans ear they called a foul. Thinking that handchecking would magically take off 20 pts off Kobe's career average is just ridiculous. Kobe would have the same success back then as he is having now. Todays average athlete is biger, stronger, faster and just as smart as players back then. What used to be tricks of the trade that could make one players career back then is now common knowledge. In regards to scouting and match preparation, today's game is in no may inferior to the league of yesteryear. Also, saying the league isnt physical is nonsense to me. Yes physical play is frowned upon but I dont see anyone is skirts driving down the lane. You still get fouled hard in todays game, Kobe can tell you about it.

that doesn't take anything away from #24, but it does make some of the stuff Jordan did in his era simply awesome. Jordan had to first deal with Dumars handchecking him on the perimeter. if he could get past him, in the lane Laimberr, Rodman, Salley, and even Zeke were waiting to take his head off.


What Jordan did was amazing yes but you still have to put in into context. Both players were not presented with identical situations so you cant compare what each has done bone for bone as if they played in the same time. Jordan got fouled hard many times driving down the lane, and he got his calls many times as well. Lets please not pretend like he was battered every single minute of the game and no calls were made. Kobe got hit in the playoffs as well, just because his clothesline wasnt on NBA Hardwood Classics doesnt mean it only tickled. He piled on freethrows the same way players like Kobe, Wade and Lebron do. Also, many people who watch alot of LA games know that he doesnt get all the calls in the same manner as the other players discussed.



or maybe to make you happy- benji should post both players stats with pace and other fun things being taken into account


A very childish presumption to think that by simply posting Jordans career stats and accomplishments against a player of Kobe Bryants caliber who is in the middle of his career and establishing himself as a sure Hall-of-Famer nullify any argument I can make to support his case as a living basketball legend. Jordan had his time and Kobe is currently going through his. In term of whats being brought to the table I dont think theres any astounding difference that would set anyone one of them miles ahead of the other when placed in context. Yes Jordan has alot of trophies but who is to say Kobe will finish with his current 3. Kobe can be discussed in the same breath of Jordan, one would be foolish to discredit his accomplishments that allow him such status.



who's comparing the Bulls dynasty teams to the 1st round exit lakers anyway? lol


You basically took this one sentence:
How can we compare Jordan leading a team of vets with Kobe leading a team of spermbuds?

...and ran with it.

I made that comment because of the many people saying he cant bring his teams to a higher level but I suppose in that same conversation we shouldnt consider the players made available to both. Pfft, I call bollocks. You think belittling his 1st round team in any way, shape or form diminishes this guys staus as an extraordinary player or takes away from a very solid year as a team? I'm not disheartened by his exit considering at the beginning of the year everybody called them a lottery team. Then when they won 40+ game people arguedagainst his MVP merit saying he has to at least help them to 50 to be in the conversation. Then LA was supposedly swept out of the first round by Phoenix but ask any Phoenix player and theyll tell you it was a tough series. All this with a lottery bound team, surely worthy of credit from my perspective. Jordan was exceptional, but having role players like Kerr, Harper, Rodman, Kukoc etc etc sure made it even sweeter for him.

Jordan is the greatest player I feel that has ever touched the basketball court when you consider his career accomplishment and simply his raw talent. Kobe Bryant is the best player in the league today. As he continues his career and when it comes to a close, the beginning statement of this paragraph will surely be challenged (whether successfully of not it will still be challenged).

Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:43 pm

Wow. If i was GM of the Lakers in an NBA Live league and this happened, i'd get kicked out of the league for unrealistic play.

Kobe is the best scorer of our decade.

I wonder if he is too tired to pull off another game like these.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:43 pm

dada wrote:
2 huge advantages for the offense, especially perimeter players, in today's game is that there is no hand checking allowed and that physical play is really frowned upon. i like to call it the pussification of the nba


Oh gosh the one tired argument that seems to be played over and over like an old broken record. Please tell me that everyone in the league didnt know that if you whispered in Jordans ear they called a foul. Thinking that handchecking would magically take off 20 pts off Kobe's career average is just ridiculous. Kobe would have the same success back then as he is having now. Todays average athlete is biger, stronger, faster and just as smart as players back then. What used to be tricks of the trade that could make one players career back then is now common knowledge. In regards to scouting and match preparation, today's game is in no may inferior to the league of yesteryear. Also, saying the league isnt physical is nonsense to me. Yes physical play is frowned upon but I dont see anyone is skirts driving down the lane. You still get fouled hard in todays game, Kobe can tell you about it.

Don't forget, there was no zone back then where teams can double you off the ball. I, from the top of my head, remember Kobe getting doubled off the ball about 20 times in the Grizzlies and Hornets game each. It also gives Jordan the advantage in the clutch, yet Kobe has 1 less GW shot than him.

Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:31 pm

What I never do is compare Jordan to Kobe and vice versa, why should I? That's some nostalgia-digging bullshit, and no way am I going to go there. I look at this as Kobe being the best offensive player in the game today, and that doesn't take anything away from Jordan? Why on earth do we even have the guy mentioned here.

But think about this, when Kobe retires, where do you rank him along the NBA greats, especially shooting guards? Could he be the second best SG ever to play the game?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:19 am

Currently, he is top 10-15 of all time. When he retires, he'll be top 10 for sure.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:21 am

Who would you then rank above him (SG)?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:25 am

I kinda got the feeling the last game would be the end of it. I don't know, was the end of the week. He had a few days off. He now has established an impressive record out of it all. Just a feeling of mine i guess. However, today's match is in LA isn't it? You never know.

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:28 pm

kobe had 9 points in the first 2 minutes..17 in first quarter....looks like he might score 50 again

Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:52 pm

17 in the first. 4 in the second. Still possible.
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