Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:17 am
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Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:56 pm
maes wrote:
Team USA played the heaviest minutes to probably their worst defenders: Melo, Wade, and James.
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:06 pm
Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:maes wrote:
Team USA played the heaviest minutes to probably their worst defenders: Melo, Wade, and James.
James and Wade are standout defenders. Carmelo couldn't play D if George Bush was chasing him with a knife.
But the USA team should be something to watch. So many athletes, role players, etc. etc. Kobe and Lebron should lead that team to gold, but that's my opinion.
EDIT: Tayshaun Prince and Chauncey Billups SHouldn't have made the roster
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:13 pm
Dro wrote:Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:maes wrote:
Team USA played the heaviest minutes to probably their worst defenders: Melo, Wade, and James.
James and Wade are standout defenders. Carmelo couldn't play D if George Bush was chasing him with a knife.
But the USA team should be something to watch. So many athletes, role players, etc. etc. Kobe and Lebron should lead that team to gold, but that's my opinion.
EDIT: Tayshaun Prince and Chauncey Billups SHouldn't have made the roster
-Wade and James are average defenders, AT BEST.
-Who exactly on the roster is a role player? Is Brad Miller still on the team? Bruce Bowen? Everybody you listed is a first or second option on their team.
-I agree that Billups shouldn't be there...the team needs pass-first PGs. But Tayshaun Prince is EXACTLY the type of player team USA needs; consistent shooter, excellent defense, and a high basketball IQ.
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:19 pm
Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:Carmelo couldn't play D if George Bush was chasing him with a knife.
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:23 pm
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:36 pm
Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:
Wade might be, but I disagree with you on Lebron.
Everybody except a few players like Battier, Bowen,Jason Kidd, and Kirk Hinrich (IF he's still on).
Tayshaun Prince and Carlos Boozer do not need to be on that roster. I mean, we have 5 all-pro defenders on the team already. We need more OFFENSIVE FIREPOWER. That's what Colangelo, Rudy T, Larry Brown, and Coach K are looking at doing. I hope VC and Kevin Garnett decide to accept their invitations. They need SOME leadership
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:46 pm
Dro wrote:Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:
Wade might be, but I disagree with you on Lebron.
Everybody except a few players like Battier, Bowen,Jason Kidd, and Kirk Hinrich (IF he's still on).
Tayshaun Prince and Carlos Boozer do not need to be on that roster. I mean, we have 5 all-pro defenders on the team already. We need more OFFENSIVE FIREPOWER. That's what Colangelo, Rudy T, Larry Brown, and Coach K are looking at doing. I hope VC and Kevin Garnett decide to accept their invitations. They need SOME leadership
There's basically nothing I agree on with your post:
I'm not saying Lebron is a bad defender...I just don't see why you consider him to be "standout". He doesn't lock his man down and he doesn't get a big amount of steals or blocks. Sounds pretty average to me.
Jason Kidd and Kirk Hinrich are role players?! Kidd is the 2nd best point guard (some would argue 1st) in the NBA, and Hinrich is going to be an all-star in the very near future.
To say offensive firepower is the problem is ridiculous. No team in the world has offensive talent on par with the likes of James, Carmelo, Wade, Stoudemire, etc.
KG is a helluva leader. Vince Carter? HA! VC's most defining qualities are his disloyalty, his willingness to settle for extreme degree of difficulty jumpers, and the toughness of a fluffy pillow.
Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:48 pm
Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:06 pm
Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:
Ok I see what you mean with that being Lebron is an average defender despite the fact he made the All-NBA Defensive 2nd team. SO then what's Shane Battier doing on the roster?? Because he does the same things.
I meant in the essence of scoring and otherwise. Hinrich, for now, along with Brad and Mike Miller, Joe Johnson, Shane Battier, and Bruce Bowen is a role player. He can't take over a game. If Ben gordon was on INSTEAD of Hinrich, that would be different. My fault about J-Kidd, I looked at it Scoring-wise. FOrgot about the former MVP and DPOY.
I know that. They have 4 of the top 7 leading scorers in the league on their team. They're trying to get a SHITLOAD of that for their team, is the point I was trying to express.
Were you being sarcastic about KG???? LOL you're right about VC. He IS a showoff. If Duncan and Iverson and Ray Allen were back on with THIS unit, they would Unanimously win gold. Kobe, Mcgrady, and Kidd are going to be the only leaders on this team. Everyone else is worried about Shining.
Wed Jul 04, 2007 3:19 pm
Dro wrote:Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:
Ok I see what you mean with that being Lebron is an average defender despite the fact he made the All-NBA Defensive 2nd team. SO then what's Shane Battier doing on the roster?? Because he does the same things.
I meant in the essence of scoring and otherwise. Hinrich, for now, along with Brad and Mike Miller, Joe Johnson, Shane Battier, and Bruce Bowen is a role player. He can't take over a game. If Ben gordon was on INSTEAD of Hinrich, that would be different. My fault about J-Kidd, I looked at it Scoring-wise. FOrgot about the former MVP and DPOY.
I know that. They have 4 of the top 7 leading scorers in the league on their team. They're trying to get a SHITLOAD of that for their team, is the point I was trying to express.
Were you being sarcastic about KG???? LOL you're right about VC. He IS a showoff. If Duncan and Iverson and Ray Allen were back on with THIS unit, they would Unanimously win gold. Kobe, Mcgrady, and Kidd are going to be the only leaders on this team. Everyone else is worried about Shining.
I wasn't aware of Lebron being on the All-Defensive 2nd team...a little shocking to me, to tell you the truth. I still don't agree that JJ and Hinrich are role-players, but we can disagree on that.
And nah I wasn't being sarcastic about KG actually...I think he's a great emotional leader that the 2006 team was really missing. Lebron, Wade, and Carmelo are all great players but they seem a too apathetic at times. Carmelo was the most productive player on the team, but I think there was an overall lack of fire from those 3.
I also agree about Duncan and Ray Allen. No one in the world can stop Tim Duncan, and Ray Allen is the perimeter machine that the 2006 team was missing. Also, I don't like the idea of both T-mac and Kobe on the team. Both players are identical as far as their style of play goes, with Kobe being the flat-out better player on both ends of the floor. Seems kind of redundant to have both on the team.
Is Duncan going to be on the team this time around? If they could put him on there and run the offense through him, nobody will get close to beating USA. Put 3 great perimeter players on the floor with him along with a Stoudemire or Howard and that team is unstoppable. Having the team built around perimeter players just isn't going to get it done anymore. How did Greece beat us? Pick and roll after pick and roll resulting in that Greek forward who was built like a tank on the finishing end. You think that would happen with Duncan in the middle?
Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:01 pm
PG- Chauncey Billups
SG- Bryant
SF- James
PF- Dwight Howard
C- Amare
Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:04 pm
Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:50 am
1CenT wrote:err
i disagree with most of the things from Air Zoom Kobe
i am SURE lebron didn't make all defensive 2nd team.. he made the all nba 2nd team..
Wade is a decent defender, lebron is avg.... they are strong and fast.. but they work
so hard on offense, that they don't really really play def ALL the time..
from wut i remember all def first team was
Camby
Duncan
Bowen
Bell
Kobe (don't deserve it)
2nd team was
Ben Wallace
KG
Prince
Kidd
Hinrich..
well i'm pretty sure those are da players..
USA lacks offensive firepower????!???! Like maes said.. the problem is the defense and chemistry.
They need a powerful coach that will BENCH lebron, melo and wade for not hounding their defenders the whole game.. NBA players are extremely long athletic and can play a lot of minutes.. in a 40 minutes FIBA game with at least 10 capable players.. the coaching staff really have to get on the players....
Howard had problems scoring the ball inside.. and Wade/Lebron are not consistent outside shooters.. That was a huge problem.. We had Duncan.. but Duncan isn't spectacular offensively.. This is where a dominating Shaq is much better....
So they weren't really dominating in the post... and they had weak shooters... + bad defence.. that is why USA didn't win gold....
I suggest Ray Allen and Michael Redd play on the team.. Billups would actually be great.. he is a great defender + shooter... Kobe would be great.. that guy can flat out shoot with the best of them.. KG is a great shooter as well..
Guys like TMac, Lebron, Wade, Jkidd can be a problem when shooting the ball... They (esp tmac, lebron and wade) are very good at making contested and off balance shots.. but they are not as accurate as the Europeans playing loose shooting open jumpers with NOTHING to lose..
Players i think will be great
Front Court:
Dwight, Duncan, KG, Boozer, Amare, Camby
Back Court:
Billups, Kidd, Kobe, Wade, Allen, Redd, Tmac
Others:
Melo, Lebron, Pierce, Battier, Marion, Prince, Bowen
So how many people make the roster? And who is invited?
My fav lineups:
Should be starting.. includes 5 veterans.. who are DEFENSIVE STOPPERS...
C - Duncan
PF - KG
SF - Battier/Prince
SG - Kobe
PG - Billups
tell me a team that can beat them? 3pt shooting from the 1-3 spots... KG and Duncan.. WOW... crazy rebounding, individual defense, help defense, intensity, can really grind it out...
Run and gun like theres no tommorrow... Kidd running the show.. Dwight, Amare, Lebron and Wade running the floor... Sounds like NBA Street doing a 4 consecutive lobs.... Team will rely on penetration of Wade, Lebron in the half court.. or a 2 man game between Amare + Kidd/Wade/Lebron ( 3 good passers )
Will fall behind maybe if they have to dump inside for a post play.. and bad outside shooting....
C - Dwight/Camby
PF - Amare/Boozer
SF - Lebron
SG - Wade
PG - Kidd
Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:08 am
Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:22 am
_marsal wrote:I couldn't disagree with you more Air Zoom Kobe I. IMO this team needs max. 5 superstars, all others should be role players. You need to win in real life, not nba live.![]()
One would ask why wouldn't a team with only superstars win every game. Because the superstars are what they are because they need the ball in their hands and need to take many shots to be effective (there are exceptions - Kidd, Nash, KG, Ben Wallace etc.). Which they are if you give them the ball. If you don't give them the ball, they become redundant. That's how real teams are "constructed". That's how international teams win games. They have 3,4 key guys and everyone else is a role player.
IMO, if Team USA was represented by an NBA champion, noone would stand a chance against them (of course, we couldn't send the Spurs because their key guys are international). Otherwise, my Team USA lineup would be:
C Howard
PF James (he should play PF in international games)
SF Bowen
SG Wade
PG Hinrich
6 B. Miller
7 Boozer
8 Anthony
9 M. Miller
10 Billups
Many will probably disagree with me.
Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:55 am
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Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:47 am
Look at the '92 dream team
Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:56 am
Shannon wrote:I haven't really read anything in this thread but this is a stupid thing to say. International basketball wasn't at the level it is now 15 years ago.
Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:00 pm
Air Zoom Kobe I wrote:Despite the fact that that's true, we're not putting our best product on the floor.
Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:07 pm