Carlisle gets the axe.

by **[Q]** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:17 am

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj1BXkP9xy._exWFNwPewpg5nYcB?slug=ap-pacers-carlisle&prov=ap&type=lgns

He's a good coach, but honestly after they moved him out of Detroit he really hasn't had the talent on his teams to help him keep his job. and the whole Artest/Jax/Tinsley/Palace Brawl situations didn't really help either.

by **maes** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:37 am

Hmm i don't keep up w/ the Pacers, is this deserved? I thought, at least by rep, he was an excellent coach?

by **BigKaboom2** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:45 am

I think that was the wrong move - he was a good coach saddled with a bunch of players who had no chemistry, especially after that boneheaded trade.

by **cyanide** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:09 am

He's a good coach. He won COY back in 2002 or something. I think he felt that he needed a fresh start, and the Pacers felt that way too (about the team). A shakeup is probably in the works.

by **GoLowDrew** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:21 am

I think his past success is enough to stand on that he is a good coach. He just does not have the players he needs. Who's fault is that? Maybe Larry Bird should fire Larry Bird. I think that is the problem.

Bird is the one that made the deals, and give Carlisle that players to coach.

by **BigKaboom2** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:38 am

I'd say Donnie Walsh is more responsible for it than Bird.

by **Indy** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:40 am

Wow. I've pretty much known this was coming since halfway through the season, but when I found out it was official today, i was so excited, a little pee came out. No lie.

Mark Jackson is going to be the next coach most likely. He's extremely interested in the job.

by **[Q]** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:08 am

Indy wrote:

Wow. I've pretty much known this was coming since halfway through the season, but when I found out it was official today, i was so excited, a little pee came out. No lie.

Mark Jackson is going to be the next coach most likely. He's extremely interested in the job.

Mark Jackson as in the NY point guard (brother of Escalade from AND 1) who's currently a commentator on ESPN???

by **Indy** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:25 am

Qballer wrote:Mark Jackson as in the NY point guard (brother of Escalade from AND 1) who's currently a commentator on ESPN???

Yeah. You know, second all time in assists, winner wherever he went, greatest point guard the Pacers ever had and the leader of the best teams we had in Indy.

He's my number 1 choice. Mark Iavaroni is 1a. I would be happy with Rick Adleman or Paul Silas and Sam Mitchell wouldn't be bad.

Chuck Person would really make me angry, in fact, as much as I love the rifleman, get rid of him altogether, get a whole new coaching staff.

Billy Donavan or any other college coach would probably force me to suicide.

by **Anthony15** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:38 am

Well about time, I don't think Warriors trade helped them out that much, maybe healthy Pacers with Al and Jax still on the team cud've made it to postseason, but with Dunleavy and Murphy, hell no. I don't think one of available coaches will do any better with Pacers next year.

by **Indy** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:17 am

Anthony15 wrote:Well about time, I don't think Warriors trade helped them out that much, maybe healthy Pacers with Al and Jax still on the team cud've made it to postseason, but with Dunleavy and Murphy, hell no. I don't think one of available coaches will do any better with Pacers next year.

Healthy Pacers with Dunleavy and Murphy would have made the playoffs too. However, just making the playoffs isn't good enough here, and Rick would have been fired even if we went to the ECF.

by **Matt** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:46 am

year-to-year the talent just went down. I see this as Carlisle being liberated.

Bluesky · by **Andrew** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:27 pm

Carlisle was handed some difficult situations the past couple of years but we all know who gets the blade when a team goes into any sort of tailspin and looks to make a fresh start. Unfair as it may be for Carlisle to shoulder most of the responsibility for the Pacers' shortcomings since 2004 you can't blame a team for wanting to go in a new direction when the old blueprint isn't working anymore.

I'm sure the Jermaine O'Neal trade rumours will begin swirling pretty soon but personally I think they'd be better off keeping him. Everyone is quick to suggest blowing up the team and dealing away the superstar while he's still got a high price tag but that isn't necessarily the best solution. The Pacers didn't go that route with Reggie Miller when this happened ten years ago and there's no reason they shouldn't look to hold onto a couple of pieces like O'Neal and Danny Granger.

by **[Q]** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:59 pm

Indy wrote:
Anthony15 wrote:Well about time, I don't think Warriors trade helped them out that much, maybe healthy Pacers with Al and Jax still on the team cud've made it to postseason, but with Dunleavy and Murphy, hell no. I don't think one of available coaches will do any better with Pacers next year.

Healthy Pacers with Dunleavy and Murphy would have made the playoffs too. However, just making the playoffs isn't good enough here, and Rick would have been fired even if we went to the ECF.

I think the Pacers really lost out in that trade. Look at what Jax & Al are doing in G state... of course, they are two different systems where Al can get away with playing C in G State but still, Dunleavy is an inconsistent player and yet consistently plays like garbage.

If they were able to keep the Artest/Jax/Jermaine nucleus together on the court a little longer, I think they could've gone somewhere especially with Danny Granger in the mix.

by **Metsis** on Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:00 pm

I think a major roster shakeup is coming to town in Indiana...

O'Neal and Granger are players that they will probably try stick with, but probably only Granger is off-limits. O'neal did play his part in the 2004 brawl and he is the last of those guys still around. Diogu is on the verge of being a big time player and thus O'Neal is expendable. If with that, they can get rid off some of the more unwanted players around.

The firing could also mean that Carlisle didn't want to coach through rebuilding the team, that is bound be ahead...

If the Pacers don't explode their roster this summer, I will be really amazed. It's not like all their players have 10 million contracts like the Knicks... I think Pacers should really try to go young now and start basically from scratch and add some youth and athleticism to the team and get rid of pretty much everone who doesn't fit this bill.

And get a good coach to teach the young guys how to play...

by **Tuomas** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:45 am

Matt wrote:year-to-year the talent just went down. I see this as Carlisle being liberated.

That's what I also thought when saw it, Indiana has been the meeting place for everyone that has some teamwork issues ever since Reggie quit.

by **frenchy** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:24 am

Reggie Miller as player-coach : good idea or not ?

by **TSquared** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:26 am

hmmm...reggie...reggie...hmm...i think he shud just plain coach the pacers..he has the knowledge and great bball iq...and especially now that he had the commentator job..he wud know a lot more about other teams...and other players...wow..it'll be a great addition to his resume as a coach..and he pretty much knows the players in indiana..my guess is they might sign him?

by **beau_boy04** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:25 am

not a good move by Larry Bird. Carlisle started his career in Detroit and became one of the mostacclained coaches..... and just because Indiana misses the playoff after 10 straight years they gonna fire him... anyways, I'm pretty sure he'll get contacted by different teams looking for a good and qualified coach.

by **Indy** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:51 am

beau_boy04 wrote:not a good move by Larry Bird. Carlisle started his career in Detroit and became one of the mostacclained coaches..... and just because Indiana misses the playoff after 10 straight years they gonna fire him... anyways, I'm pretty sure he'll get contacted by different teams looking for a good and qualified coach.

Even the biggest Carlisle supporters agree that Rick needed to go- LAST SEASON! This move was done a season too late, it had nothing to do with missing the playoffs.

by **wade_03** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:45 am

I think the Raptos should let Mitchell go and Pacers will probably hire him beacuse there are reports saying they're interested in Mitchell and the Raps can pick up Carlisle :shock:

Getting Carlisle would be amazing for the Raptors

by **Indy** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:44 pm

wade_03 wrote:I think the Raptos should let Mitchell go and Pacers will probably hire him beacuse there are reports saying they're interested in Mitchell and the Raps can pick up Carlisle Getting Carlisle would be amazing for the Raptors

Sure it would be. If you want to watch a very boring brand of basketball in Toronto.

by **Drex** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:12 pm

LMAO, now that he's gone you talk crap about him :lol:

by **cyanide** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:33 pm

There's no way the Raptors would take Carlisle because the Raptors play a very different brand of basketball.

Edit: Indy just pretty much said exactly what I was thinking.

by **Indy** on Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:59 pm

Drex wrote:LMAO, now that he's gone you talk crap about him

I haven't said anything positive about Rick for 2 years. Not sure what you're talking about.

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