Off the ball intentional fouls should be technicals

[Matt]

Going back to last weeks Det @ LAC game. LAC started to hack Ben Wallace in order to catch up. Problem was, he never had the ball. IMO this is unsportsmanlike and should be T'd up. Not only that but they make for an ugly spectacle.

I have nothing against hacking a guy who has the ball but intentional off the ball fouls should be T'd up. That way no one would ever attempt them as they would be pointless.

Yes/No?

[Laxation]

no

its a good gameplan, and in the end it worked out well for us because clipers couldnt even get the fucking offensive rebound, turning 2 or 3 of their fouls into 3 or 4 point plays!

[Indy]

Well hacking off the ball is illegal in the last 2 minutes, this is the hack a shaq rule I believe.

Figures that Dunleavy would try to do something like that.

[Matt]

yeah i kinda backfired when Clips forgot to rebound. They started to do this with 5,6 mins left...and it made for an ugly & long spectacle.

They should make it illegal for the entire 4th quarter.

Imagine this, someone is playing Heat and they foul Shaq on EVERY possession of the Heat. Shaq would shoot about 150 or more FT's, score maybe 50pnts and his team would lose. The other team would foul out but that wouldn't be a problem.

[Indy]

The other team would foul out but that wouldn't be a problem.

Um... how would not having any players not be a problem?

That strategy would fail pretty fast when everyone in your starting lineup all of a sudden has 5 fouls and its the first quarter.

[Riot]

I believe if all your players foul out then the 5 players that are on the court can stay in for as long as the game is over. No more subsitutions. However, I think every foul is treated like a technical foul.

Don't quote me on that, but Ithink that is right.

[Matt]

i thought that if everyone is fouled out, and you got 6 fouls and you foul, you foul out again and a sub comes in until someone else fouls and has to go to the bench for someone else.

So even though everyone fouls out, you still got 5 guys on the court and you can still continue hacking. If the tech foul thing is true then it'd be kinda pointless strategy.

[Indy]

I think Riot is correct.

[Jugs]

I reckon it should, well the off the ball intentional fouls shuold be technicals. It's like punching a guy in the nuts when he hasn't got any, it's pointless and annoying.

On the ball intentionals i'll slide even though it's a good strategy yet annoying.

(nice avatar Indy)

[Matt]

It's like punching a guy in the nuts when he hasn't got any, it's pointless and annoying.

so in essence, your punching a girl...not cool

[fgrep15]

No they shouldn't, but it is a weird strategy...

[Jugs]

It's like punching a guy in the nuts when he hasn't got any, it's pointless and annoying.

so in essence, your punching a girl...not cool

exactly, then punching girls in the crotch is the same as intentional fouls off the ball, not cool

[MaD_hAND1e]

It's like punching a guy in the nuts when he hasn't got any, it's pointless and annoying.

so in essence, your punching a girl...not cool

exactly, then punching girls in the crotch is the same as intentional fouls off the ball, not cool

LMAO priceless analogies.

[Andrew]

I believe it was a technical foul at one point. I remember watching a Bulls/Mavs game back in 1998 where Bubba Wells employed that tactic against Rodman and fouled out in 4 minutes, breaking the record.

It sounds like a fair rule to me, though it should be clearly defined. After all, sometimes players get fouled while they're playing "keep away" and the ball's just left their hands. That's not like fouling a player who's nowhere near the ball as soon as its in play.

[MaD_hAND1e]

I remember one game, the T-Wolves vs Lakers back when Shaq was still around and Mark Madsen was just hugging Shaq and trying to get the call, but the refs just ignored it.

[koberulz]

isnt the rule that everybody fouls out down to two players, after which you lose the game by default? or is that just the international rule?

[baseline bum]

If you can't hit your free throws teams should have every right to hack away. Dallas used to do it all the time to Bowen in 2003 (including using it to slow and evenually beat a red-hot Spurs team up 17 in the 2nd in game 1 of the 03 WCF), so he worked on his shot and now is usually around 60% from the line (he was a 40% shooter at that time).

I think it's like giving up, and it disgusted me when Popovich started doing it to Shaq in game 6 of the 2004 series, but there's no reason to change a rule just because a few players suck at the line.

[Andrew]

isnt the rule that everybody fouls out down to two players, after which you lose the game by default? or is that just the international rule?

Haven't heard of that one. If a player fouls out and there are no available substitutes due to the rest of the team having fouled out or unable to play through injury, the player is allowed to remain on the floor. He is assessed a personal foul which also counts as a team foul (as usual) and a technical foul is also assessed. I believe the record for personal fouls in an NBA game is 8 as a result of that rule.

It's actually happened to me a few times in NBA Live, mostly NBA Live 95 when injuries were more commonplace (and easier to inflict ).

[MaD_hAND1e]

If you can't hit your free throws teams should have every right to hack away.

Hmm... I guess in that way... it's just like exploiting the other team's weakness, just like a team fast breaking at every opportunity against a team with poor transition defense. Likewise, this tactic is exploiting the team's poor free throw shooters, the only difference is that the off ball fouling just disrupts the flow of the game really badly. I mean, do we want to see NBA games going for 5,6 hours?

[Andrew]

It borders on poor sportsmanship in some cases, such as when teams foul (or call timeout for that matter) when they're down by 12 with 5 seconds left. I understand the strategy and oftentimes it's worth employing but sometimes it's just not within the spirit of the game. Fouling a player without the ball certainly isn't.

[koberulz]

isnt the rule that everybody fouls out down to two players, after which you lose the game by default? or is that just the international rule?

Haven't heard of that one. If a player fouls out and there are no available substitutes due to the rest of the team having fouled out or unable to play through injury, the player is allowed to remain on the floor. He is assessed a personal foul which also counts as a team foul (as usual) and a technical foul is also assessed. I believe the record for personal fouls in an NBA game is 8 as a result of that rule.

It's actually happened to me a few times in NBA Live, mostly NBA Live 95 when injuries were more commonplace (and easier to inflict ).

thats the rule in the FIBA rule book. if i can find my copy ill look up exactly what it says, but that lose by default rule is the rule

[Andrew]

I'll have to take your word for it. The rules I posted definitely apply to the NBA however.

[Laxation]

Fouling a player without the ball certainly isn't.

winning is the spitit of the game
fouling a ben wallace instead of a steve nash, is trying to win

[Andrew]

Winning is certainly the object of the game. To say winning is the spirit of the game suggests that any kind of tactic employed to win is within the spirit of the game and I don't think that's right. For example, intentionally injuring a player might result in the win but it's hardly in the spirit of the game or competitive sport in general.

[koberulz]

I'll have to take your word for it. The rules I posted definitely apply to the NBA however.

still havent found that rulebook, but i do remember when our WABL team fouled out down to 4 players, and we had to play with four for the remainder of the game, down two or three in OT, in the playoffs