noob question

[scrub]

what is a turnover?

[axare]

a turnover is when a guy turns the ball over...like losing the ball...bad pass..and stuff like that..

[scrub]

if its a bad thing then how come wade got a tripledouble with like 29 points and 11 rebounds and 10 turnovers it makes it look like a gd thing is it?

[cklitsie]

He had an unorthodox triple-double with 29 points, 11 assists and 10 turnovers as he was the fulcrum of the offense.

It said unorthodox, meaning it's a 'false' triple-double; the wrong way, in this case in one stat-category.

http://www.nba.com/games/20051109/MIAIND/recap.html

[ShAuN]

no affense, but how can u not know what a turnover is?

[Ruff Ryder]

[Fitzy]

Turnover is the amount the business transacted during a given period of time

[scrub]

no affense, but how can u not know what a turnover is?

no offence but would you be able to layoff as im from ireland and dont know as much as you yanks

[Laxation]

there is not knowing much, and then there is being completely oblivious

[designmatrix]

no affense, but how can u not know what a turnover is?

No "affense" but maybe you would like to shut the fuck up?

[scrub]

no affense, but how can u not know what a turnover is?

No "affence" but maybe you would like to shut the fuck up?

well said

[The Other Kevin]

The NBA section has gone to hell.

[Drex]

a turnover is when a guy turns the ball over

[Jing]

ROTFL what a great question
but come on, ireland must have some form of basketball

[Fitzy]

ireland must have some form of basketball

[Jona]

Lay off him you pricks.

What the fuck is the problem not knowing what a turnover means?
Is is so difficult to take 15 secs. and give a brief explanation?

[bigh0rt]

Maybe they call what we call a turnover something else over there. I'll tell ya, you've got to love self-righteous dorks who get a hard on at flexing their finger muscles on the internet.

[J@3]

ireland must have some form of basketball

great call.

Anyways I lived in the UK and trust me the basketball coverage is basically non existant. I'm surprised he even knows what basketball is to be honest, because if I was born and raised over there I highly doubt I would be familiar with it at all.

I would put my own "piss off and stop being an idiot" thing, but I'll just quote the one I liked the most:

you've got to love self-righteous dorks who get a hard on at flexing their finger muscles on the internet.

[Bruce]

Hehe, this is funny... anyone who was into basketball during the MJ era (on their second) claimed they knew what the triangle offense was. Most would go as far as to claim how it is run... so on a couple of occasions I tried asking them to diagram the plays, as in draw X and O, and i'd hand them a piece of paper and a pen. On all occassions, the conversion would end with something like "oh, screw it, we all know MJ always gets the ball".

Seriously though, I think less than 10% of fans actually understand how difficult it is to diagram plays... The idea of the triangle offense is still shady to me, even if I tried reading up on it.... and what is a motion offense?

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league or even team statisticians will know what a turnover's technical meaning is....

I'll give it my best shot at defining what a turnover is...

everytime a team looses a possesion it is counted as a turnover....

1. Ball gets stolen - ball changes possesion while ball is still inbounds.
(this of course excludes when a field goal attempt is made, and it absolutely misses the ring... if it goes out of bounds, or an opponent gets the ball it is a turnover, funy thing is, i believe if a teammate gets it on a followup, it is credited as an assist, instead of the getting a rebound + a fg made)
2. Ball goes out of bounds. (dribbled off the foot, stepped on the line)
3. Personal Fouls and Technical Fouls, causing a team to loose possesion, is also a turnover...
4. then there are team turnovers, this basically is a device used by statisticians so everything is accounted for... it basically covers anything else why the ball was turned over... (even coaches being T'd up on the offensive end)... similar to team rebounds, nobody cares what they are except for statisticians and NBA courtside Live....
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so basically what I think the threadstarter wanted to know is why did Wade get so many turnovers, Is it bec he is a poor ballhandler?

And I would reply with something like.... It could be Wade made a few air balls, and shaq daddy wasn't their to cover everyone else's a$$... (damn it, I have shaq is on my fantasy league, and he has been out for weeks!!!)

[Colin]

and what is a motion offense?

Probably the most basic offence there is. The most basic play in the motion offence involves two players at the high post (aka 'the elbow', the edges of the key at the free-throw line). Then there are two wing players down at the low post and one out on the wing. The play starts with the ball on the weak side (the side without the player on the wing). Then the wing player on that side in the post pops out to the wing. Now the wing player on the opposite post sets a screen for the guy out on the wing. That guy comes across and tries to get the ball in the paint for a lay-up, and the guy setting the screen tries to box out his man and get open for a lay-up on the other side (usually more likely to get the ball to the screener. Then the ball is reversed back to the other high post player and the play starts again. If that high post player can't get the ball he screens down for low post guy and they switch roles.

It works best with a team that is fairly athletic and everyone can handle the ball. An NBA example would be a team like Phoenix. A team like Houston couldn't run this play very well because neither Yao or Juwan can handle the ball very well.

[Laxation]

Seriously though, I think less than 10% of fans actually understand how difficult it is to diagram plays... The idea of the triangle offense is still shady to me, even if I tried reading up on it.... and what is a motion offense?

knowing and drawing up plays is alot harder than understanding what turnover means... theyre not really compareable

[Jugs]

where's that n00bie pawner guy wen you need him

tripplemrox or someshit

[scrub]

i asked for a simple explanation as i am not that knowledgeable on the nba as i am from ireland. i didnt want a big joke made out of the thred.

[Blue Nugget]

i asked for a simple explanation as i am not that knowledgeable on the nba as i am from ireland. i didnt want a big joke made out of the thred.

too late

[Bruce]

and what is a motion offense?

Probably the most basic offence there is. The most basic play in the motion offence involves two players at the high post (aka 'the elbow', the edges of the key at the free-throw line). Then there are two wing players down at the low post and one out on the wing. The play starts with the ball on the weak side (the side without the player on the wing). Then the wing player on that side in the post pops out to the wing. Now the wing player on the opposite post sets a screen for the guy out on the wing. That guy comes across and tries to get the ball in the paint for a lay-up, and the guy setting the screen tries to box out his man and get open for a lay-up on the other side (usually more likely to get the ball to the screener. Then the ball is reversed back to the other high post player and the play starts again. If that high post player can't get the ball he screens down for low post guy and they switch roles.

It works best with a team that is fairly athletic and everyone can handle the ball. An NBA example would be a team like Phoenix. A team like Houston couldn't run this play very well because neither Yao or Juwan can handle the ball very well.

yep, i like this offense a lot... cause it does not take a lot of basketball iq to run this offense... A lot of colleges use this... this is really good if u have a small lineup... when i play center and all we have is a ball handler and 3 wingmen, i'd position myself at the freethrow line... it give's me time to set screens, go for offensive rebounds, power to the hoop, pop for a quick shot, create holes for either wingmen to make post moves or easy layups... i could average upto 6 assists a game, even if i'm playing center, & still keep my scoring/rebs and still run back and catch up to stop the opponent's fast breaks... but the best part about it is my teammates doesn't always have to know what i'm doing, all they have to do is gie me the ball when i get myself open. and the opponents rarely understand how to break it down...

Maybe we should start a whole section for threads about playing the actual game? about gamebook plays, shooting mechanics and probably a place to setup local games...