Offers for Kwame Brown

[Ruff Ryder]

At last count, the Wiz had seven offers for Kwame, several of them significant, which summarily erases the Knicks from contention on numerous scores. For some reason, they don't find Michael Sweetney and Jerome Williams ($6.6M/$7M/7.3M) all that appealing.

Hearing aides inform me Washington GM Ernie Grunfeld can have his pick of Memphis' James Posey, Indiana's Fred Jones and the Lakers' Caron Butler.

I saw this posted on another forum, I'm not sure about the link though.

[Jugs]

Why do so many teams want Kwame Brown

They should take James Posey

[FanOfAll]

Why do so many teams want Kwame Brown

They should take James Posey

Posey would be a great fit. He's long, athletic, tremendous defender, and is a fan favorite everywhere he goes. Improved outside shot, but he doesn't shoot a lot. Great a running the break w/Arenas and filling Hughes' void on the defensive end.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

So washington will have a frontcourt of Haywood and Thomas alone? Things don't look good, especially since Larry's 22/7/4 will be missing...

[Jugs]

Yay, Thomas can now become a dominant force

Yeah they should take Posey but Memphis should take Brown if Swift leaves.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Brown wouldn't be for Swift leaving, Warrick is for Swift leaving. Brown would most likely be the center if Wright leaves. I really don't like Brown because I really haven't seen him do anything great in his career yet. He may have a good game every now in then, but I'm not impressed with giving up Posey for him.

[tsherkin]

Of the teams that have reportedly talked to Kwame Brown, I sincerely hope he does NOT end up in Memphis or New York.

The New York public and media will destroy his already semi-fragile mind, he's not mentally strong enough to handle that (few are, actually; most are shattered, some are just reduced to bitter old crones).

He shouldn't goto L.A. because of the same reason; the fans and media will kill him for every little error.

Memphis won't work for him because he won't get involved enough in the offense or get enough minutes. On a team that's at the cusp of playoff contention or title contention, he won't flourish yet because he hasn't built the confidence in his game (or a relationship with his new coach) to play through (or be allowed to play through) the mistakes he will make as a result of lack of instruction and playing time.

He needs to go to a lottery team or a playoff team that's willing to be patient with him, give him minutes and touches or he'll DEFINITELY turn out a bust.

Everyone, amidst the Michael Jordan tour and the Wizards' playoff run, seems to forget that Kwame was drafted as a project, not an instant impact player. If he does fulfill his potential, it'll be in JO style: it'll take him 5 or 6 years and he'll need to goto a team that'll make him their primary low-post option and second or third scoring option (at least). Someplace like Atlanta, Chicago (if Curry leaves), Cleveland (if Big Z leaves), New Jersey (Jason Kidd will help him immensely and they desperately need a C) or Toronto.

The coach has to be of the mindset that he's still got a project on his hands. He has to be firm (pull Kwame when he's playing really badly for a few minutes, talk to him, tell him what's wrong and how to fix it, then send him back out) and consistent (WRT rotations) but he's also got to not be a total dill-hole and he can't ignore Kwame (Collins and '04-'05 EJ in a nutshell). The kid needs PT, instruction and consistancy from his coaches. That shouldn't be a tall order to fill.

Given all that, he'll be at least a 17/8/3 player and possibly even more.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Memphis won't work for him because he won't get involved enough in the offense or get enough minutes. On a team that's at the cusp of playoff contention or title contention, he won't flourish yet because he hasn't built the confidence in his game (or a relationship with his new coach) to play through (or be allowed to play through) the mistakes he will make as a result of lack of instruction and playing time.

What makes you think he won't get the minutes in Memphis if he is a big man and he most likely will play at the center position and that's a need for the team. He would end up getting minutes even if he comes off the bench because in Memphis, most of the players get decent minutes in a 8 or 9-man rotation and sometime 10. He wouldn't be buried on the bench at all especially if Wright is gone this season. He will also get plenty of help from the likes of a good coaching staff with Fratello, Musselman, Hollins and Barone then you have "The Logo" who attends alot of practices and can help the young player. You made a pretty good point though, and I really don't want him in Memphis as it is because I consider him already a bust and that he won't be no better than a guy that can get maybe 12-14ppg and 7-8rpg.

[maes]

I'd definitely take Posey, although all those offers are pretty good.

Fred Jones is interesting...why would Indiana (of all teams) want Kwame and why would they deal Fred, who helped keep Indiana respectable this year?

[Drex]

Kwame in NJ is not a bad idea at all, IMHO He's atheltic enough to keep up with Kidd, he can run and be at the end of some alley-oop passes, etc...

[air gordon]

wherever this guy goes, he's going to have the pressure.

if he ends up on a lottery team, that probably means he's signing for a big contract. if he goes to a place where he is a primary scorer..

it's all the same. the team's highest paid player and/or highest scorer have to answer for a team's failure

maybe the least amount of pressure he'll have is if he signs the MLE for a halfway decent team. but will kwame & his agent take this kind of offer when he'll more then likely see his other draft classmates get huge new contracts?

a center with 14ppg & 8rpg, sprinkle in some blocks there, and you have a pretty valuable commodity there

[tsherkin]

What makes you think he won't get the minutes in Memphis if he is a big man and he most likely will play at the center position and that's a need for the team. He would end up getting minutes even if he comes off the bench because in Memphis, most of the players get decent minutes in a 8 or 9-man rotation and sometime 10. He wouldn't be buried on the bench at all especially if Wright is gone this season. He will also get plenty of help from the likes of a good coaching staff with Fratello, Musselman, Hollins and Barone then you have "The Logo" who attends alot of practices and can help the young player. You made a pretty good point though, and I really don't want him in Memphis as it is because I consider him already a bust and that he won't be no better than a guy that can get maybe 12-14ppg and 7-8rpg.

If Jerry West's lovechild, Pau Gasol, cannot get 36 mpg while posting 17 and 7, Kwame Brown won't get the minutes he needs, nor the touches.

And people who consider him a bust haven't followed Washington closely enough. You forget that when he scored 11 ppg, it was on less than 8 shots a game. But that's a whole other post. If you want to get into "is Kwame a bust or not," post a thread and I'll write you a book.

wherever this guy goes, he's going to have the pressure.

if he ends up on a lottery team, that probably means he's signing for a big contract. if he goes to a place where he is a primary scorer..

it's all the same. the team's highest paid player and/or highest scorer have to answer for a team's failure

maybe the least amount of pressure he'll have is if he signs the MLE for a halfway decent team. but will kwame & his agent take this kind of offer when he'll more then likely see his other draft classmates get huge new contracts?

You're right but I'm not saying pressure is bad. I'm saying the pressure that New York, L.A. or a title contending team would bring would kill him at this stage of his career.

He was mentally undermined by MJ and Doug Collins, treated improperly for one expected to advance his game, misused on the court and then summarily ignored by EJ after a breakout year so that EJ could cater to shot-chucking guards and Antawn Jamison on offense, all the while calling Kwame the "#1 low post option." Washington didn't have a low post game. That's like saying "We'll give you 50% of the take!" 50% of 0 is still 0.

Pressure is good; a coach like Sam Mitchell will demand results and will force Kwame to be smarter on the court and earn his minutes. That's not a bad thing.

A place like New York where they'll boo him for missing a free throw in the first quarter would be disastrous, as would sending him to L.A. where they expect everyone to instantly be HoFers and lead them to more titles. Spoild bastards...

a center with 14ppg & 8rpg, sprinkle in some blocks there, and you have a pretty valuable commodity there

Once Kwame signs, he shouldn't be "a commodity." He needs stability, not to be shopped around. He needs to find a place this summer and basically stay there for the rest of his career or for at least 5 or 6 years.

See my point? It's not pressure that's bad, it's negative pressure from fans and media that would be bad and while he might and probably will get that to some degree no matter where he goes initially, in New York and Hollywood it would be far, far worse.

[Jona]

Man, as I said in another fuckin Kwame thread:

WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT BROWN ON HIS ROSTER???

[Impose]

Man, as I said in another fuckin Kwame thread:

WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT BROWN ON HIS ROSTER???

Look at Jermaine Oneal mate, lol.

He spent ages in Portland doing crap all and now hes one of the best in the league.

I think Kwame could benefit in New Orleans, he'll have an All Star center in Jamaal Magliore to learn from ,as well as a seasoned PF in PJ Brown, he can fill backup center and PF and in a season or 2 be a starter at either position...

[tsherkin]

Man, as I said in another fuckin Kwame thread:

WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT BROWN ON HIS ROSTER???

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Because if you're familiar with what he's done when healthy and given a chance, you'd understand what kind of potential he has.

[Kemp]

Patience guys, Kwame never get the chance to play consistent minutes, like 30mins a game with the Wizards. Kwame is still learning how to be a star in this league. He is still finding ways to improve his game. Personally, I would love to see Kwame to play for the Hawks because Hawks needs big man. With the Hawks, Kwame can play major minutes and thus he could develop into a great scorer and rebounder.

[Sauru]

he may be a bust when compared to what people thought he might be, but he is still better than a shit load of big men in the game today.

[stowie]

from RealGM.com

According to David Aldridge, the Washington Wizards may already have their potential replacement for Larry Hughes in sight.

Sources involved with the discussions say that the Wizards are talking to the Los Angeles Lakers about a sign-and-trade deal in which forward Kwame Brown, the top pick in the 2001 NBA draft, would go to the Lakers in exchange for swingman Caron Butler.

The Wizards have other options on the table that could bring them a much-needed big man in return for Brown, but Butler would make a lot of sense.

Butler has been available during most of his yearlong stay in Los Angeles. If the Lakers move him and, as expected, release forward Brian Grant in order to save money under the luxury tax, they would have precious little to show for their blockbuster trade of Shaquille O'Neal to Miami.

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[Andrew]

Obviously the Wizards still believe he's got significant trade value, if they'll turn down Kwame for Sweetney and JYD appealing. The Caron Butler trade would be a great move if they can pull it off as they're easily getting the better of the trade...for now at least.

[novice]

umm.. What is so special about Kwame anyway?? Is he a KG-type or KMArt-type of player?

Patience guys, Kwame never get the chance to play consistent minutes, like 30mins a game with the Wizards. Kwame is still learning how to be a star in this league. He is still finding ways to improve his game. Personally, I would love to see Kwame to play for the Hawks because Hawks needs big man. With the Hawks, Kwame can play major minutes and thus he could develop into a great scorer and rebounder.

[Kemp]

[quote="novice"]umm.. What is so special about Kwame anyway?? Is he a KG-type or KMArt-type of player?


Kwame's situation now is exactly the same as Jermaine O'Neal's situation, sitting on the bench without playing time in Portland until he get traded. See how great Jermaine O'Neal is playing now, that is what I believe Kwame will turn into.

[Jugs]

Brown wouldn't be for Swift leaving, Warrick is for Swift leaving. Brown would most likely be the center if Wright leaves. I really don't like Brown because I really haven't seen him do anything great in his career yet. He may have a good game every now in then, but I'm not impressed with giving up Posey for him.

I thought Hakim Warrick was a 6"2 Shooting guard

obviously i dont know who he is

[Matthew]

Obviously.

Kwame has all the talent in the world. Reminds me alot of a young Jermaine, but heres the thing: Jermaine had next to no minutes in portland. Kwame has had ample opportunity in washington. But Kwame has talent... and I hope he does goto LA or NY.

Would it hurt so bad for the wiz to keep him? A frontline of him, haywood and jamison is amongst the best in the nba, talent wise.

[Fenix]

I thought Hakim Warrick was a 6"2 Shooting guard
obviously i dont know who he is

Hakim Warrick is 6'9'' tweener (PF/SF) with tremendous athleticism but light frame.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=42

[Matthew]

I wonder how many useless posts are made at nlsc in one day.